I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
Thanks! Scott
Bolt-cutters are low cost and pretty safe, and will get you through cables and chains. A hacksaw is slow and labor intensive but will eventually get you through a u-lock. An angle-grinder with a good cutting disc is my preferred tool for this work, although I wouldn't feel comfortable handing it to a random volunteer. If you do get an angle grinder, consider getting a 6" one so you can use it to cut up frames too, I've also heard (but never used myself) that a portable hand-held bandsaw (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200308967...) works well for this...
Stuart
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsleyscott@sacbikekitchen.org wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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angle grinder with cutting wheel.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Stuart O Anderson soa@ri.cmu.edu wrote:
Bolt-cutters are low cost and pretty safe, and will get you through cables and chains. A hacksaw is slow and labor intensive but will eventually get you through a u-lock. An angle-grinder with a good cutting disc is my preferred tool for this work, although I wouldn't feel comfortable handing it to a random volunteer. If you do get an angle grinder, consider getting a 6" one so you can use it to cut up frames too, I've also heard (but never used myself) that a portable hand-held bandsaw ( http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200308967... ) works well for this...
Stuart
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsleyscott@sacbikekitchen.org wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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Angle grinders are OK but the cut off wheels are small compared to circular saw blades, You can get larger circular saw blades which both cut faster and have more material so they last longer. They cost about $3.00 a blade for metal cut off disks, I like the Circular saw also for its huge blade shields which reduce the amount of debris that hits you in the face.
Warning: long cotton?pants, and boots should be worn. lots of hit metal particles will land on your shoes and burn through socks easily, ?nylon, or vinyl shoes, with little effort, and bare skin will hurt and blister after prolonged contact. Safety glasses and working our doors is recommended. The fumes of the glue holding together?the grit of?cut off wheels (angle grinders and circular saws) are not good to breath.
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angle grinder with cutting wheel.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Stuart O Anderson soa@ri.cmu.edu wrote:
Bolt-cutters are low cost and pretty safe, and will get you through cables and chains. ?A hacksaw is slow and labor intensive but will eventually get you through a u-lock. ?An angle-grinder with a good cutting disc is my preferred tool for this work, although I wouldn't feel comfortable handing it to a random volunteer. ?If you do get an angle grinder, consider getting a 6" one so you can use it to cut up frames too, I've also heard (but never used myself) that a portable hand-held bandsaw (http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_200308967...) works well for this...
Stuart
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsleyscott@sacbikekitchen.org wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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We finally bought an angle grinder last year. It gets used on u-
locks, but is also good for other things. That said, it can be a
nasty tool, with sparks flying and potential for injury, so only
staff get to use it.
Bolt-cutters are wonderful - I would suggest a small one for quickly
de-spoking wheels, and a large one for the really big tasks.
Mark Rehder - General Manager re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op http://re-cycles.ca
On 23-Jun-09, at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsley wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
Thanks! Scott
The timing of this thread is uncanny.
We had a guy in today asking to "check out" a pair of bolt cutters, as he had lost the key to his lock, and needed to get to work. He wanted to leave his wallet or something in exchange for the borrowing of our bolt cutters.
When he first asked, my response was a deadpan "No, we will not lend you our bike theft tools." Which sort of irked him, and he kept trying to come up with ways to prove that the bike was his.
"It's a bike I got here. I'll bring it in once I get the lock cut, and your employee will recognize it." "Just because you show me your bike does not mean you haven't stolen another one."
Eventually he realized I wasn't going to budge, and left. He came back in with his bike an hour or so later, having borrowed some bolt cutters from a friend, he said.
As for the original question, I've got nothing to add to what others have said. I'll usually pick up a few cutting discs at the hardware store whenever I'm there. We tend to go through those alot.
The angle grinder is a staff-only tool, to be sure.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca wrote:
We finally bought an angle grinder last year. It gets used on u-locks, but is also good for other things. That said, it can be a nasty tool, with sparks flying and potential for injury, so only staff get to use it.
Bolt-cutters are wonderful - I would suggest a small one for quickly de-spoking wheels, and a large one for the really big tasks.
Mark Rehder - General Manager re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op http://re-cycles.ca
On 23-Jun-09, at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsley wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We
recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
Thanks! Scott
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I just discovered from our attorney that power tools are off limits to teenagers under 16 due to something or other... likely labor laws.
We don't allow them to use power tools - just something I thought could be useful to add!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:16 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
The timing of this thread is uncanny.
We had a guy in today asking to "check out" a pair of bolt cutters, as he had lost the key to his lock, and needed to get to work. He wanted to leave his wallet or something in exchange for the borrowing of our bolt cutters.
When he first asked, my response was a deadpan "No, we will not lend you our bike theft tools." Which sort of irked him, and he kept trying to come up with ways to prove that the bike was his.
"It's a bike I got here. I'll bring it in once I get the lock cut, and your employee will recognize it." "Just because you show me your bike does not mean you haven't stolen another one."
Eventually he realized I wasn't going to budge, and left. He came back in with his bike an hour or so later, having borrowed some bolt cutters from a friend, he said.
As for the original question, I've got nothing to add to what others have said. I'll usually pick up a few cutting discs at the hardware store whenever I'm there. We tend to go through those alot.
The angle grinder is a staff-only tool, to be sure.
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:04 PM, Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca wrote:
We finally bought an angle grinder last year. It gets used on u-locks, but is also good for other things. That said, it can be a nasty tool, with sparks flying and potential for injury, so only staff get to use it.
Bolt-cutters are wonderful - I would suggest a small one for quickly de-spoking wheels, and a large one for the really big tasks.
Mark Rehder - General Manager re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op http://re-cycles.ca
On 23-Jun-09, at 6:25 PM, Scott Beardsley wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We
recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
Thanks! Scott
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Scott,
Right now we're using bolt cutters, hack saws, and an angle grinder.
Smaller chain and cable seem to only take a second with the bolt cutters.
Depending on what the lock/chain/cable is made from hack saws can cut through most of em.
Angle grinders seem to get through it all with the proper blade!
We have glasses and gloves - great idea for safety/legal/insurance purposes.
Hope this helps!
On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 4:25 PM, Scott Beardsley scott@sacbikekitchen.orgwrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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At Coatesville Community Bike Works we have a 36" set of bolt cutters that cut most chain pretty well. They won't do some larger chain. If the chain has been hardened, chips fly when it breaks so safety goggles are important. http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=03710390 9329
I also use a set of Felco C12's for cutting cable locks, as these were found to dull our chain cutters pretty quickly. http://www.felcostore.com/wirecablecutters.jsp
Finally, I bring in a portable band saw once in a while to cut U-locks.
It's quick and painless, without all of the flying sparks other people have
posted about.
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/ProductCategory.aspx?CategoryName=SC%3a++Band+S
aws
Really, I got into this business because I'm a tool freak!
-Doug
-----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of Scott Beardsley Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:25 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: [TheThinkTank] Cutting Bike Locks
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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just thought I'd mention freon and a hammer, though it's illegal and ozone unfriendly. for the purpose of complete coverage of the topic. Anyone know a bicycle thief? I'd like to interview one anonymously to find out what works these days.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Doug Franz hitrim@yahoo.com wrote:
At Coatesville Community Bike Works we have a 36" set of bolt cutters that cut most chain pretty well. They won't do some larger chain. If the chain has been hardened, chips fly when it breaks so safety goggles are important.
http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=03710390 9329
I also use a set of Felco C12's for cutting cable locks, as these were found to dull our chain cutters pretty quickly. http://www.felcostore.com/wirecablecutters.jsp
Finally, I bring in a portable band saw once in a while to cut U-locks. It's quick and painless, without all of the flying sparks other people have posted about.
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/ProductCategory.aspx?CategoryName=SC%3a++Band+S aws
Really, I got into this business because I'm a tool freak!
-Doug
-----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of Scott Beardsley Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:25 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: [TheThinkTank] Cutting Bike Locks
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 1:20 PM, bike talk livebiketalk@gmail.com wrote:
just thought I'd mention freon and a hammer, though it's illegal and ozone unfriendly. for the purpose of complete coverage of the topic. Anyone know a bicycle thief? I'd like to interview one anonymously to find out what works these days.
someone posted on our local craigslist that they were looking for both bike theives and victims of bike theft, for some kind of anonymous interview something...dunno if it ever got anywhere.
On Wed, Jun 24, 2009 at 8:14 AM, Doug Franz hitrim@yahoo.com wrote:
At Coatesville Community Bike Works we have a 36" set of bolt cutters that cut most chain pretty well. They won't do some larger chain. If the chain has been hardened, chips fly when it breaks so safety goggles are important.
http://www.cooperhandtools.com/brands/CF_Files/model_detail.cfm?upc=03710390 9329
I also use a set of Felco C12's for cutting cable locks, as these were found to dull our chain cutters pretty quickly. http://www.felcostore.com/wirecablecutters.jsp
Finally, I bring in a portable band saw once in a while to cut U-locks. It's quick and painless, without all of the flying sparks other people have posted about.
http://www.milwaukeetool.com/ProductCategory.aspx?CategoryName=SC%3a++Band+S aws
Really, I got into this business because I'm a tool freak!
-Doug
-----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of Scott Beardsley Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 6:25 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: [TheThinkTank] Cutting Bike Locks
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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Eye protection and an angle grinder will cut through most ulocks within one minute. It will take longer than a minute because it's so scary to have massive amounts of sparks, kind of like spakerlers on steriods, so you'll keep stopping. The metal will get very hot and once you have begun a cut into the lock and you stop, do not try to start up the grinder while touching the lock. Start the grinder by itself and then try to grt back in the groove. It will give you a big kickback if you start it up while in contact. You can cut like a lumberrjack creating a "V" and then make a slash to go thru at the end. The more steady you keep the lock the easier it is. A second pair of hands is helpful but some type of clamp works well. Careful, good luck.
On 6/23/09, Scott Beardsley scott@sacbikekitchen.org wrote:
I'm involved with the Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen in California. We recently sealed a deal with the local Police to take 30-40 bikes/month off of their hands in return for working with troubled (meaning law-breaking) teens (something we're doing already anyways). I'm really excited about this and it'll bring even more exposure to our quickly growing shop/org along with giving us a ton of extra used parts. I have a question about breaking/cutting locks. Most of the bikes we will get still have locks (U-locks, chains, cables locks, etc) on them. What is the best way to remove these? Right now we are passing it on to the customer, but it'd be nice to at least have the proper tools if they wanted to DIY it. So far we have zero power tools in the shop. This might end up being the exception. What do we need to consider? Eye protection for everyone? Tell me how you handle these issues in your shop.
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