Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 149, Issue 4

5 Feb 2019

      Saying a chain has "stretched" is a colloquialism meaning it is worn out as that is how one measures its state of use.
~Robert 
.

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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Elevating the knowledge
 base, Would your programs
       benefit? (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    2. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    3. Re: Elevating the knowledge
 base, Would your programs
       benefit? (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    4. Free knowledge (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    5. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Jim Bledsoe)
    6. Socratic Moment (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    7. Both Body and bike benefit
 (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    8. Trump and Science (christopher@holisticcycles.com)
    9. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Katie Vogel)
   10. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Godwin !)
   11. Re: Both Body and bike
 benefit (Ainsley Naylor)
   12. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Lauren Warbeck)
   13. Re: Elevating the knowledge
 base, Would your programs
       benefit? (Caleb
 Evenson)
   14. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Kevin Dwyer)
   15. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Anibal Davila)
   16. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Judith Feist)
   17. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Jeffery Getten)
   18. Re: Do I have this wrong?
 (Josh Bisker)

Message: 1
 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:16:22 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
 the knowledge base, Would your
     programs benefit?
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So, in the question of wheel truing, I
 am wondering why you don't allow 
  for rims becoming deformed. As a
 learned mechanic you know of the 
 procedures Barnett has for unbending a
 rim, or you know how to replace
 a rim or even sell a customer an
 undamaged wheel to replace the 
 damaged one.  Unless you promote
 that a damage wheel will be just 
 as safe for the cyclist to use as one
 that is not damaged.
  As a mechanic: when you sign off that
 the work is compleated your actions say that the
  bike is up to standards and safe.A
 court of law does not recognize ( as 
 safe as it can be) as a legal
 defination. On your own bike you can work
  on a bent wheel, On a customers bike,
 you take on a world of liability 
 if you do not complete a repair to the
 safest standard, The action of presenting 
 damaged product as safe can harm both
 you and your business,
 Your presentation implies that rims
 maintain 
  perfection except in cases where spoke
 tension temporarily interferes.
In other words, it's obvious that
 while some spokes may become loose 
  through repetitive stress, since the
 web of spokes share a single load, 
  others will become tighter as the rim
 deforms. Since little can be done 
  in the average shop to re-perfect the
 bare rim once deformed, the 
  tighter spokes must maintain some
 amount of increased tension to keep 
  this now-deformed rim true.
I'm not going to present any test that
 I've developed to "prove" this 
  process, I'm actually posting this
 response because I find it kind of 
  offensive that you keep posting here
 essentially as a salesperson. When 
  someone posts to a mailing list to
 sell a product, to me that 
  constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone 
  to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike 
  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get 
  interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite 
  frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope 
  with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Do you ever tighten a bolt
  too tightly or without enough clamping
 force because you do not
  measure torque? If a bolt broke or
 slipped would you be liable? Do
  you like feeling grind in your hubs or
 see that your cones are pitted
  in bikes with quick release levers but
 seldom see cone damaged in bolt on hubs?
 Do your daily commuter customers
 complain that there brakes are rubbing and your
  truing work only lasts for part of a
 season and not years? 
 Do cyclist ever complain about a click
 in the pedal area? Are these
  the bizarrely out of scope ideas you
 speak of?      Your posts smell like bait.
 They are bait, Designed to get you to
 think. If you can not come up with an answer
 then as a group you can either come up
 with tests or 100% beliefs. The beliefs are
 dark ages showing its head in 2019. No
 one is lifted up in knowledge base or skill with belief. 
 My knowledge is for sale, only because
 it has value, I also see that your community based
 bicycle organizations have value. You
 work hard and do great things, I have worked hard
 and I make great materials. Your moneys
 are tight and I am willing to greatly discount my 
 work to help make your programs more
 profitable, improve quality,  reduce liability, and
 more.
 Nicholas, if you see me as having no
 value to this group, ban me!  If you think I work for
 free,
 Bite me!  I want to lift up
 organizations that are open to improving the experience of
 cyclist and their businesses.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this 
  particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely 
  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
  Ok I am a bot, you caught me
  cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

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Message: 2
 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:24:53 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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May I have your best bike for free? or
 even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media,
 or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my
 business for free so that I can lift up yours?
 For free I gave you ideas you had not
 come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to
 prove that are the same as or different than you current
 beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the 
 wheel or hold on to your beliefs. 
 You can lift me up and I will lift you
 up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did
 to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I
 only have knowledge
 --------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
 From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com
 Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
 knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely.
 That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want
 to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are
 wasting our time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
  Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
 a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
 a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
 should be given away for free?
When 
  someone posts to a mailing list to
 sell a product, to me that 
  constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone 
  to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike 
  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get 
  interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite 
  frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope 
  with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this 
  particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely 
  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
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Message: 3
 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:40:51 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
 the knowledge base, Would your
     programs benefit?
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It is funny you mention my friend
 Sheldon, I was talking with him on the phone about some
 of these subjects 6 days before he
 died. He was sick for a long time, but he did not know he
 was
 going to die that soon. He loved his
 opinions on all types of bike subjects, and was surprized
 by the science and six sigma continuous
 improvement process that was happening in bike
 education.
--------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base,
 Would your programs benefit?
 From: "Jean-Fran&ccedil;ois Caron"
 jfcaron3@gmail.com
 Date: 2/4/19 7:37 am
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
It reminded me of ShelBroCo April
 Fool's pages.  
 e.g.:
 https://www.sheldonbrown.com/power-wheel.html

 Jean-Fran&ccedil;ois
On Feb 4, 2019, at 06:13 ,
 Dennis Wollersheim dewoller@gmail.com
 wrote:
Thanks for that Nicholas. 
 Christopher's original post disturbed me, but as I am a
 relative newbie, I did not want to call him out.  You
 did the right thing, in a very respectful fashion.

 Warmly
 Dennis
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:32 PM
 Cyclista Nicholas cyclista@inventati.org
 wrote:
 So, in the question of wheel truing, I
 am wondering why you don't allow 
  for rims becoming deformed. Your
 presentation implies that rims maintain 
  perfection except in cases where spoke
 tension temporarily interferes.
In other words, it's obvious that
 while some spokes may become loose 
  through repetitive stress, since the
 web of spokes share a single load, 
  others will become tighter as the rim
 deforms. Since little can be done 
  in the average shop to re-perfect the
 bare rim once deformed, the 
  tighter spokes must maintain some
 amount of increased tension to keep 
  this now-deformed rim true.
I'm not going to present any test that
 I've developed to "prove" this 
  process, I'm actually posting this
 response because I find it kind of 
  offensive that you keep posting here
 essentially as a salesperson. When 
  someone posts to a mailing list to
 sell a product, to me that 
  constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone 
  to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike 
  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get 
  interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite 
  frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope 
  with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this 
  particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely 
  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience?  Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a  45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist  put  900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

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Message: 4
 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 16:17:00 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
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All the points you raise have answers
 in mechanical engineering and bicycle mechanics.  
 To pick one: the compression of a
 closed quick release does change the adjustment of hub
 bearings, easily demonstrated. Various techniques exist to
 correct the hub bearings adjustment for this. Barnett
 publishes a technique, a bit fussy, but it works. The
 technique he demonstrated to me was flawed.  I show him
 the flaw in logic and he dismissed it. He put pressure on
 the end of an axle on one side of a hub and pressure on the
 lock nut on the other side of the hub. There is never any
 pressure on the end of a skewered axle. The clamping force
 is only on the lock nuts against the dropout surfaces. His
 test had two variables instead of one. Does the axle
 compress under quick release loads or do the threads flex.
 One test will not answer two variables. Two test are needed
 to test two variables. Yet only one test is valid. Since a
 QR can never press against the end of an axle and still have
 clamping force on a  lock nut against the dropout,
 pressing against the end of the axle test is inva
  lid.  John' s testing wanted to
 find a specific amount that a hub could be adjusted from the
 standard bench adjustment to the on the bike correction for
 quick release forces. He came to realize that the variables
 in axle materials and quick release materials and
 construction were to great for a unified answer. I solved
 for his issues and his beliefs dismissed my solution. 
 I demonstrated a perfect adjustment for the added load of a
 quick release in less than 30 seconds. Once I did six
 adjustment in 10 seconds.  My special tools cost 
 $6 from a frame builder.    Special tools do
 exist, but unnecessary. Most mechanics learn in school or
 from someone like me, People are asking me for free
 instruction, is your knowledge free? if not why are you
 advertising here also? and most develop their preferred
 method.
Chains don't stretch. At 2000 pound of
 force chains do stretch, True: on a bike they only wear.
 Cables do. At 550 pounds of force derailleur cables stretch,
 but the plastic shift lever mount will fail at 200 pounds of
 force, at 800 pounds of force brake cables stretch. sadly a
 rim side wall brake surface will start to fail at 160 pounds
 of force. Numbers don't lie and are verifiable. (Very
 different structures.)
Spokes remain elastic. Spoke elbows
 deform from the original 90 degrees to the best pull angle,
 effectively making spokes longer once. On aluminum hubs the
 elbow indents the hub flange hole making the spoke
 effectively longer once. Neither of these changes the
 elastic properties of the spoke, but they do make the spoke
 effectively longer once and drop the tension of the wheel,
 allowing for greater tension ranges in spokes, creating
 early fatigue and spoke failure. Also reducing the
 efficiency of the wheel to accelerate as looser spokes need
 to be tensioned by the force from the chain before they move
 the cyclist forward,  and the wheel has more side to
 side movement with looser spokes making control and braking
 less than optimal.
May I suggest that these complete
 thoughts are not currently put together cohesively by
 engineering books which I have intensely studied, or bicycle
 best practices knowledge bases. or by you.
May I suggest familiarizing yourself
 with current best practice (rather than the noise that gets
 written on the web).
I suggest Sharp for the basic
 mechanical engineering My experiments with the wheel in both
 practice and with finite element analysis and 
 computational fluid dynamic program ANAYS. have shown
 insight intto the wheel and how to do wheel work 20 faster
 for better result.   and Barnett for current mechanic
 best practice. As a BBI certified master tech, I can point
 out many flaws to Barnett's best practices. From making
 mechanics less profitable with slow procedures that are not
 valid in their testing. To just plain bad science
 understanding.
Get back to me if you have questions
 after having thoroughly understood those.
  I am back, Now are you ready to learn?
 or do you have any ideas of your own that are brilliant. I
 am all ears
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:24 PM
 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
 Hi David,
 What are you trying to build? I am not
 trying to builds I am trying to understand what has been
 built to improve efficiency of mechanics by up to 40 times
 current speed. Helping mechanics earn a living wage. 
 Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. Do
 you know this as fact or a belief that you hold strongly?
 And after over a hundred years of
 engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. In the 1880's to
 1890's there was amazing engineering, some material sciences
 in the 1980's improved friction, ending of the cold war
 brought advanced materials in the 80's and 90's  Sadly
 as a student of the root causes of problems I have found the
 engineering in most bicycle systems is lost and strong held
 beliefs are the replacement.
A couple of examples: 
 A chain has a pull strength of 2000
 pounds before it stretches, If you wish to stretch a chain
 put a car on your back and stand on one pedal. What is the
 root of chain lengthening, What is the relationship between
 side to side flex of a chain and shifting quality? Do all
 new chains that measure the same length have the same side
 flex? Is there a relationship between chain length and
 flex.
 A spoke is made of a magical metal that
 stretches once and then becomes a harder metal and never
 stretches again. A spoke can be tightened until it will pull
 the nipple through the rim because the rim is not as strong
 as pull force that can be applied by the spoke. So how do
 rims stretch spokes to become looser in tension during the
 first 30 days of riding?
 Derailleur cables are anchored by a
 threaded fastener on one end and on the other end sits in a
 plastic seat in the shift lever. The derailleur cable has a
 pull strength of 500 pounds of pull before it will stretch,
 the plastic seat will fail before the cable will. How do
 cables stretch one time then never stretch again when pulled
 by a weaker plastic component?
Does a quick release lever change the
 adjustment of a hub? How do you isolate and test your
 theory? How do you adjust the hub precisely for a
 combination of a specific axle (mild steel, hardened steel,
 Titanium, Aluminum, ) and a specific Quick Release material
 (Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, with or with out plastic
 components )? How do you precisely adjust a hub for QR
 forces in less than 20 seconds? If engineering has been
 done, then it should be easy to answer all these question by
 looking in books, or on line, or from schools.
Which acts like a fluid on the bicycle?
 hydraulic brake fluid? a wheel rim? or a chain?  A
 little hint, Brake fluid when contain in a system acts as a
 solid to transfer forces. Brake fluid outside of a system
 acts like a fluid.
If you would like to communicate on how
 CFD with FEA can change the world of cycling I would love to
 talk, If you believe engineers created cables that stretch
 once, spokes that stretch once, chains that stretch with
 human load of less than 2000 pounds, well I will not change
 your strong belief system.
Christopher Wallace
 773 490 0683
Good morning,  
 Sorry, no. I once did some programming
 for FEA and CNC but ages ago, and my IT friends wrangle
 server farms, databases, and state IT departments.
Take a look at Monster.
Also post a query on one of the CMU
 boards or Pitt Craigslist.
What are you trying to build?
 Not a lot of CFD in the bike world.
 And after over a hundred years of
 engineering, not a lot of need for FEA.
David
On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 11:14 AM
 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
 Do you know anyone that is fluent in
 Ansys? CFD FEA? or know where I could look for a person in
 the field?
Christopher Wallace
 Holistic Cycles
 773 490 0683
 Oak Park, IL. 60304
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  Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
  From: David Zundel davidzundel@gmail.com
  Date: Sat, October 15, 2016 6:38 pm
  To: Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org,
 The Think Tank
  thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
CiviCRM goes on a server (vps
 recommended and affordable)
  then accessed by a web page, fairly
 easy.
 Or you buy Civi hosting, but that
 defeats some of the purpose of using Civi.
 Civi has considerable power and
 ability, can connect with ERP, etc
 but not for IT novice.
 Easy to install, configure, and
 maintain if you have experience and comfort with Linux
 servers, if not, not.
You can certainly hire the Linux talent
 in SLC, but dependence on outside IT service has
 inconveniences.
Email me directly if you want to get
 into details on Civi.
David
 http://openwest.us
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 8:20 PM
 Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org
 wrote:
 What staff resources does it require?
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 7:19 PM
 jack jack@bikewalkwichita.org
 wrote:
 We use Salesforce / Wordpress /
 Mailchimp and have been pleased with what all we can do, for
 free.
-------- Original message --------
 From: David Zundel
 Date:10/15/2016 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00)
 To: The Think Tank
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM
CiviCRM recommended  
 David
On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 6:13 PM
 Jonathan Morrison jonathan@bicyclecollective.org
 wrote:
 Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a
 different software package?
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What we here at the thinktank are, is a
 bunch of open source bicycle
 advocates.
 When one posts a long drawn out list of
 questions with a pay me now gotcha
 at the end it will tend to raise
 hackles
   "What does facing do for the
 customers ride experience?"  were you
 meaning "pacing"   or more 
 succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
on a bike and make it better, that work
...
has value. If I work on a process
and make it better, the knowledge has no
...
value and should be given away for
free?
...
When
someone posts to a mailing list to
sell a product, to me that
...
constitutes cause to block that
person from the mailing list.
...
If you want to freely share here
tutorials and techniques for everyone
...
to review and learn from, in the
interest of helping community bike
...
shops hone their skillsets to a
higher standard, I'd be the first to get
...
interested. As it is, you never
post detailed instructions, and quite
...
frankly a lot of the processes you
allude to are bizarrely out of scope
...
with what most of us do on a daily
basis. Your posts smell like bait.
...
I'm personally requesting that you
reconsider posting here. In this
...
particular case, you even tacked
your message onto a completely
...
unrelated thread. I mean, might be
I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
...
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
...
...
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
...
is not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
engineering based: it should
be done, it is done at the factory, it
...
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
...
have it done. So what does it
do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
...
How do stainless steel spokes
and cables stretch once and then
...
...
magically become harder and
never stretch again? If they do not
...
...
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
...
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
how do you verify your answer?
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
...
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
...
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
...
Which leads to the question,
How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
chain function twice as long
as another type. How do you verify your
...
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
...
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
...
...
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
...
...
computational fluid dynamics
help a mechanic work 36 times more
...
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
...
...
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
...
systems) and make cycling
safer.
...
...
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
...
If any of this or all of this
is new to you and you would like to
...
...
improve your training, feel
free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
improve the cycling industry
and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

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 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:13:35 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: [TheThinkTank] Socratic
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I did mean facing the Bottom Bracket
 shell or the Stem, Head Tube, and Fork Crown race. 
 Does it make you faster? or Lighter?
 Tighter tolerances?  Wear things less? Make adjustments
 better? Make adjustments stay longer? Make things last
 longer? Make things parallel? Make things lock more
 securely?
 Why do professional racers do it, but
 year round cyclist don't? What is the benefit of having it
 done?
Just because you have a tool, or know
 of a procedure, do you know why it is a benefit to the
 cyclist? Any procedure, part or accessory to a bike,
 Socratic Moment: WHY is service or product of value to the
 customer?
If you do not know, then it is very
 hard to sell the service or the product. Many tools and
 serviced go unused because of our abilities to communicate
 their value to the customer.
--------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
 From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com
 Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are, is
 a bunch of open source bicycle advocates.
 When one posts a long drawn out list of
 questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend
 to raise hackles
   "What does facing do for the
 customers ride experience?"  were you meaning
 "pacing"   or more  succinctly, maintaining a high
 cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
  Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
 a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
 a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
 should be given away for free?
When 
  someone posts to a mailing list to
 sell a product, to me that 
  constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone 
  to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike 
  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get 
  interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite 
  frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope 
  with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this 
  particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely 
  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

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 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:24:27 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and
 bike benefit
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Pacing in a group is a nice community
 experience. Maintaining a high Cadence is healthy for your
 body and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the same velocity
 increases heart rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication
 to the joints, reduces the pressure in the leg joint
 surfaces and the connective tissue, reducing wear on the
 disks and allowing connective tissue to grow in strength at
 a similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high cadence
 reduces the load in the drive train, and places the load in
 bigger cogs transferring the load across a greater surface
 area and across more teeth reducing wear. 
 Benefiting both your body health and
 your wallet in reduced repair cost.
--------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
 From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com
 Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are, is
 a bunch of open source bicycle advocates.
 When one posts a long drawn out list of
 questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend
 to raise hackles
   "What does facing do for the
 customers ride experience?"  were you meaning
 "pacing"   or more  succinctly, maintaining a high
 cadence here?
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
  Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on
 a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on
 a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
 should be given away for free?
When 
  someone posts to a mailing list to
 sell a product, to me that 
  constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone 
  to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike 
  shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get 
  interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite 
  frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope 
  with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this 
  particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely 
  unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they
get longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and
I feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
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 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 19:38:59 -0700
 From: christopher@holisticcycles.com
 To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: [TheThinkTank] Trump and
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It has been brought to my attention
 that many of you do not like Trumps stance on science. Where
 his opinion is more valid than Testable, peer reviewed,
 repeatable science
 At the same time when opinions about
 the bicycle are faced with testable, peer reviewed,
 repeatable science, the science is questioned by members of
 this list.
Your opinion matters, it is called a
 hypothesis.  Science proves or disproves hypothesis.
 Once a hypothesis is turned into a test and proved or
 disproved,  then those with descending opinions
 peer review the results, to confirm or
 deny the results.  If they are not happy they should
 test their own hypothesis's and have them peer
 reviewed.  An opinion on the matter is called a guess.
I am told your guesses, your opinions,
 are to be honored and respected more than science based
 testing. For that I apologize.
Raise a glass to you.
Christopher O Wallace
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Message: 9
 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:46:30 -0500
 From: Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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Is this person banned yet? Asking for a
 friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
...
work, or social media, or NFP
wording? What are you willing to do to lift
...
up my business for free so that I
can lift up yours?
...
For free I gave you ideas you had
not come up with yet. The idea of
...
testing your processes to prove
that are the same as or different than you
...
current beliefs/ practices. You as
a group can reinvent the
...
wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
You can lift me up and I will lift
you up. You can shut me down like a
...
priests in the dark ages did to
people of science. I have no power over
...
your actions. I only have
knowledge
...
--------- Original Message

...
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
...
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com
Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
...
given freely. That is the point of
ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
...
share freely, this is wrong place
for you and you are wasting our time.
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
...
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
...
...
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
...
...
has no value and should be
given away for free?
...
...
When
someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
...
...
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
...
...
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
...
...
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
...
...
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
...
...
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
...
...
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
...
...
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
...
...
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
...
...
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
...
...
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
...
...
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
...
...
...
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
...
...
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
...
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
...
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
...
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
...
...
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
...
...
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
...
...
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
...
...
...
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
...
...
...
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
...
...
...
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
...
...
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
...
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
...
...
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
...
...
...
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
...
...
...
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
...
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
...
...
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
...
...
...
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
...
...
...
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
...
...
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
...
...
...
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
...
...
systems) and make cycling
safer.
...
...
...
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
...
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
...
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
...
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
...
...
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
...
...
...
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
...
...
...
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
...
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
...
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
...
...
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List
...
...
...
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Salt Lake City, UT
801.647.0797
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...
individual or entity to which it
is addressed.  It may contain information
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that is confidential and/or
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not responsible for delivering
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recipient, you are hereby notified
that the disclosure of this
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communication is strictly
prohibited.  If you have received this
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Message: 10
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 05:07:33 +0000
 From: Godwin ! goodgodwin@hotmail.com
 To: Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com,
 The Think Tank
     thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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Yes. I sent him an email asking him to
 stop and apologize, he replied with more confusing insults
 and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I removed and
 blocked him.
godwin

From: Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
 on behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com
 Sent: February 4, 2019 7:46 PM
 To: The Think Tank
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
Is this person banned yet? Asking for a
 friend.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>
 wrote:
 May I have your best bike for free? or
 even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media,
 or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my
 business for free so that I can lift up yours?
 For free I gave you ideas you had not
 come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to
 prove that are the same as or different than you current
 beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the
 wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
 You can lift me up and I will lift you
 up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did
 to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I
 only have knowledge
 --------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
 From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer@gmail.commailto:kevidwyer@gmail.com>
 Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
 To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.orgmailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>
No, you have it wrong. The knowledge
 has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is
 the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share
 freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our
 time.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>
 wrote:
 Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a
 bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a
 process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and
 should be given away for free?
When
 someone posts to a mailing list to sell
 a product, to me that
 constitutes cause to block that person
 from the mailing list.
If you want to freely share here
 tutorials and techniques for everyone
 to review and learn from, in the
 interest of helping community bike
 shops hone their skillsets to a higher
 standard, I'd be the first to get
 interested. As it is, you never post
 detailed instructions, and quite
 frankly a lot of the processes you
 allude to are bizarrely out of scope
 with what most of us do on a daily
 basis. Your posts smell like bait.
I'm personally requesting that you
 reconsider posting here. In this
 particular case, you even tacked your
 message onto a completely
 unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm
 actually talking to a spam bot.
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.commailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
I will ask a few questions and I
am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever change
the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
is not important, how do you test
to verify your answer is important.
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
Something? The following answers
are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
engineering based: it should be
done, it is done at the factory, it
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
have it done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
experience? How do you verify your
answer?
...
How do stainless steel spokes and
cables stretch once and then
...
magically become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not
...
stretch once, then how do they get
longer once? How do you verify your
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how
do you verify your answer?
...
How does a chain that can stretch
at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
get stretched on a bike frame that
can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or
100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
2000 Lbs of force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
Which leads to the question, How
does one type of shift lever make a
...
chain function twice as long as
another type. How do you verify your
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
wheel spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round,
...
dish, tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
computational fluid dynamics help
a mechanic work 36 times more
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the Sphere
Stacking Equation improve the
...
hydraulic systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
systems) and make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a bench as
a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
Would it help your school, your
students, bicycle businesses and
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
If any of this or all of this is
new to you and you would like to
...
improve your training, feel free
to reach out and start a conversation
...
telephone only. 773 -490 -0683
Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the wheel
three different ways, I am looking to
...
improve the cycling industry and I
feel schools are the best way to do
...
that! I look forward to hearing
from you.
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
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 delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you
 are hereby notified that the disclosure of this
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 immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the
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Message: 11
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:19 -0500
 From: Ainsley Naylor needleandthread@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Both Body
 and bike benefit
 Message-ID:

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Hey friend, do you have a question
 about running a non-profit community
 bike project? Or something to share to
 that end? Because that is what this
 list is for.
Please refrain from long, tangential
 diatribes. We are all keen to maintain
 this useful, supportive community, but
 this email exchange is leaving me
 feeling frustrated and exhausted.
Thank you!
 Ainsley.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
Pacing in a group is a nice
community experience. Maintaining a high
...
Cadence is healthy for your body
and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the
...
same velocity increases heart
rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication
...
to the joints, reduces the
pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the
...
connective tissue, reducing wear
on the disks and allowing connective
...
tissue to grow in strength at a
similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high
...
cadence reduces the load in the
drive train, and places the load in bigger
...
cogs transferring the load across
a greater surface area and across more
...
teeth reducing wear.
Benefiting both your body health
and your wallet in reduced repair cost.
...
--------- Original Message

...
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
...
From: "Jim Bledsoe" gamesbledsoe@gmail.com
Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What we here at the thinktank are,
is a bunch of open source bicycle
...
advocates.
When one posts a long drawn out
list of questions with a pay me now gotcha
...
at the end it will tend to raise
hackles
...
"What does facing do for
the customers ride experience?"  were you
...
meaning "pacing"   or
more  succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here?
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
...
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
...
...
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
...
...
has no value and should be
given away for free?
...
...
When
someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
...
...
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
...
...
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
...
...
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
...
...
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
...
...
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
...
...
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
...
...
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
...
...
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
...
...
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
...
...
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
...
...
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
...
...
...
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
...
...
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
...
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
...
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
...
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
...
...
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
...
...
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
...
...
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
...
...
...
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
...
...
...
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
...
...
...
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
...
...
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
...
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
...
...
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
...
...
...
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
...
...
...
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
...
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
...
...
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
...
...
...
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
...
...
...
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
...
...
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
...
...
...
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
...
...
systems) and make cycling
safer.
...
...
...
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
...
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
...
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
...
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
...
...
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
...
...
...
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
...
...
...
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
...
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
...
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
...
...
The ThinkTank mailing
List
...
...
...
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list here:
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Message: 12
 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:20:10 -0800
 From: Lauren Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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Thank you for your continued work
 Godwin ?????????
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM Godwin !
 <goodgodwin@hotmail.com
 wrote:
...
Yes. I sent him an email asking
him to stop and apologize, he replied
...
with more confusing insults and
continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
...
removed and blocked him.
godwin

*From:* Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
on
...
behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com
*Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM
*To:* The Think Tank
*Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
...
Is this person banned yet? Asking
for a friend.
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web page
...
work, or social media, or NFP
wording? What are you willing to do to lift
...
up my business for free so that I
can lift up yours?
...
For free I gave you ideas you had
not come up with yet. The idea of
...
testing your processes to prove
that are the same as or different than you
...
current beliefs/ practices. You as
a group can reinvent the
...
wheel or hold on to your beliefs.
You can lift me up and I will lift
you up. You can shut me down like a
...
priests in the dark ages did to
people of science. I have no power over
...
your actions. I only have
knowledge
...
--------- Original Message

...
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I
have this wrong?
...
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com
Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
...
given freely. That is the point of
ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
...
share freely, this is wrong place
for you and you are wasting our time.
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
Tell me if I am wrong. If you work
on a bike and make it better, that work
...
has value. If I work on a process
and make it better, the knowledge has no
...
value and should be given away for
free?
...
When
someone posts to a mailing list to
sell a product, to me that
...
constitutes cause to block that
person from the mailing list.
...
If you want to freely share here
tutorials and techniques for everyone
...
to review and learn from, in the
interest of helping community bike
...
shops hone their skillsets to a
higher standard, I'd be the first to get
...
interested. As it is, you never
post detailed instructions, and quite
...
frankly a lot of the processes you
allude to are bizarrely out of scope
...
with what most of us do on a daily
basis. Your posts smell like bait.
...
I'm personally requesting that you
reconsider posting here. In this
...
particular case, you even tacked
your message onto a completely
...
unrelated thread. I mean, might be
I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
...
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
...
...
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
...
is not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
How can this test be used to
reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
What does facing do for the
customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
engineering based: it should
be done, it is done at the factory, it
...
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
...
have it done. So what does it
do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
...
experience? How do you verify
your answer?
...
...
How do stainless steel spokes
and cables stretch once and then
...
...
magically become harder and
never stretch again? If they do not
...
...
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
...
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No,
how do you verify your answer?
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
...
get stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg
or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
...
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
...
...
knees? How do you verify your
answer?
...
...
Which leads to the question,
How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
chain function twice as long
as another type. How do you verify your
...
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten and
loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
...
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
...
...
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
...
...
computational fluid dynamics
help a mechanic work 36 times more
...
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
...
...
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
...
systems) and make cycling
safer.
...
...
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
cyclist; if your curriculum
included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
efficient practices to reduce
procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
...
their cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
...
If any of this or all of this
is new to you and you would like to
...
...
improve your training, feel
free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
improve the cycling industry
and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

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...
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Message: 13
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:09:26 -0600
 From: Caleb Evenson caevenson@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating
 the knowledge base, Would your
     programs benefit?
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That's quite a narrow view on anxiety,
 Christopher. Seems you have your own
 faith.
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:04 AM christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
If you have an immense test
anxiety, then you should become a religious
...
leader. Your beliefs will far
outweigh anything that's provable or
...
measurable
--------- Original Message

...
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank]
Elevating the knowledge base, Would your
...
programs benefit?
From: "Judith Feist" judith@backalleybikes.org
Date: 2/3/19 5:41 pm
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
What happens if you get immense
test anxiety?
...
On Sunday, February 3, 2019, Ulick
O'Beirne ulickobeirne@gmail.com
...
wrote:
...
Hey Christopher
Great questions and from a
training point of view they could be amazing
...
...
tests to have to hand.
Have you compiled these ideas
into a resource- manual/ course/ etc?
...
...
I'm based in Ireland. I teach
cycling in schools and to community groups.
...
...
I teach bike mechanics and
repair mainly to adults. With friends we hope to
...
...
open a community bike shop in
Clonakilty.
...
...
Can you give more info on what
you're thinking? Format etc?
...
...
Cheers. Take care,
Ulick
On Sun 3 Feb 2019 at 05:57,
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
...
...
I will ask a few questions
and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release lever
change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is
...
...
...
not important, how do you
test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
...
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
...
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience?  Nothing/
...
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
...
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it does
...
...
...
not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist have it
...
...
...
done. So what does it do?
how does it improve a cyclist ride experience?
...
...
...
How do you verify your
answer?
...
...
...
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then magically
...
...
...
become harder and never
stretch again? If they do not stretch once, then
...
...
...
how do they get longer
once? How do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force get
...
...
...
stretched on a bike frame
that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 lbs
...
...
...
cyclist. How can a
45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist  put  900 Kg or 2000
 Lbs of
...
...
...
force into a chain to
stretch it? Without destroying their knees? How do
...
...
...
you verify your answer?
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
...
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a wheel
...
...
...
spokes get looser. Spokes
only need to be tightened to round, dish,
...
...
...
tension, and true a wheel.
How can finite element analysis and
...
...
...
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more efficiently?
...
...
...
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the hydraulic
...
...
...
systems on a bicycle?
(Both hydraulic braking and suspension systems) and
...
...
...
make cycling safer.
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
...
Would it help your school,
your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
...
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
...
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve their
...
...
...
cycling experience to
improve sales?
...
...
...
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
...
...
...
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located in
...
...
...
Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented the
wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
...
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
...
...
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List
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...
...
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Co Director, the Hub at Back
Alley
...
*"*Radical simply means 'grasping
things at the root'"- Angela Davis
...
"A woman without a man is like a
fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
...
I think [the bicycle] has done
more to emancipate women than anything else
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self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony
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Message: 14
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 06:46:02 -0700
 From: Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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That sucks but, many thanks, Godwin.
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM Lauren
 Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com
 wrote:
...
Thank you for your continued work
Godwin ?????????
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
Godwin ! <goodgodwin@hotmail.com
 wrote:
...
...
Yes. I sent him an email
asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
...
...
with more confusing insults
and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
...
...
removed and blocked him.
godwin

...
...
*From:* Thethinktank thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
on
...
...
behalf of Katie Vogel katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com
*Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46
PM
...
...
*To:* The Think Tank
*Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank]
Do I have this wrong?
...
...
Is this person banned yet?
Asking for a friend.
...
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
...
May I have your best bike for
free? or even your best tune up? Or web
...
...
page work, or social media, or
NFP wording? What are you willing to do to
...
...
lift up my business for free
so that I can lift up yours?
...
...
For free I gave you ideas you
had not come up with yet. The idea of
...
...
testing your processes to
prove that are the same as or different than you
...
...
current beliefs/ practices.
You as a group can reinvent the
...
...
wheel or hold on to your
beliefs.
...
...
You can lift me up and I will
lift you up. You can shut me down like a
...
...
priests in the dark ages did
to people of science. I have no power over
...
...
your actions. I only have
knowledge
...
...
--------- Original Message

...
...
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do
I have this wrong?
...
...
From: "Kevin Dwyer" kevidwyer@gmail.com
Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
No, you have it wrong. The
knowledge has value, even more, because it is
...
...
given freely. That is the
point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to
...
...
share freely, this is wrong
place for you and you are wasting our time.
...
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM
christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
...
Tell me if I am wrong. If you
work on a bike and make it better, that
...
...
work has value. If I work on a
process and make it better, the knowledge
...
...
has no value and should be
given away for free?
...
...
When
someone posts to a mailing
list to sell a product, to me that
...
...
constitutes cause to block
that person from the mailing list.
...
...
If you want to freely share
here tutorials and techniques for everyone
...
...
to review and learn from, in
the interest of helping community bike
...
...
shops hone their skillsets to
a higher standard, I'd be the first to get
...
...
interested. As it is, you
never post detailed instructions, and quite
...
...
frankly a lot of the processes
you allude to are bizarrely out of scope
...
...
with what most of us do on a
daily basis. Your posts smell like bait.
...
...
I'm personally requesting that
you reconsider posting here. In this
...
...
particular case, you even
tacked your message onto a completely
...
...
unrelated thread. I mean,
might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot.
...
...
cyclista Nicholas
On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher@holisticcycles.com
wrote:
...
...
...
I will ask a few
questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove
...
...
...
your answers.
Does a quick release
lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No
...
...
...
is not important, how do
you test to verify your answer is important.
...
...
...
How can this test be used
to reduce service time to 1/20 the time?
...
...
...
What does facing do for
the customers ride experience? Nothing/
...
...
...
Something? The following
answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or
...
...
...
engineering based: it
should be done, it is done at the factory, it
...
...
...
does not need to be done,
eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist
...
...
...
have it done. So what
does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride
...
...
...
experience? How do you
verify your answer?
...
...
...
How do stainless steel
spokes and cables stretch once and then
...
...
...
magically become harder
and never stretch again? If they do not
...
...
...
stretch once, then how do
they get longer once? How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Do Bolts stretch? Yes or
No, how do you verify your answer?
...
...
...
How does a chain that can
stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force
...
...
...
get stretched on a bike
frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350
...
...
...
lbs cyclist. How can a 45
Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or
...
...
...
2000 Lbs of force into a
chain to stretch it? Without destroying their
...
...
...
knees? How do you verify
your answer?
...
...
...
Which leads to the
question, How does one type of shift lever make a
...
...
...
chain function twice as
long as another type. How do you verify your
...
...
...
answer?
Why do mechanics tighten
and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a
...
...
...
wheel spokes get looser.
Spokes only need to be tightened to round,
...
...
...
dish, tension, and true a
wheel. How can finite element analysis and
...
...
...
computational fluid
dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more
...
...
...
efficiently?
How can understanding the
Sphere Stacking Equation improve the
...
...
...
hydraulic systems on a
bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension
...
...
...
systems) and make cycling
safer.
...
...
...
How can a mechanic use a
bench as a tool to reduce service time 25%
...
...
...
Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
...
...
...
cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
...
...
...
efficient practices to
reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale
...
...
...
language to help cyclist
understand what a procedure does to improve
...
...
...
their cycling experience
to improve sales?
...
...
...
If any of this or all of
this is new to you and you would like to
...
...
...
improve your training,
feel free to reach out and start a conversation
...
...
...
telephone only. 773 -490
-0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located
...
...
...
in Chicago Illinois.
PS
Yes I have re-invented
the wheel three different ways, I am looking to
...
...
...
improve the cycling
industry and I feel schools are the best way to do
...
...
...
that! I look forward to
hearing from you.
...
...
...
Sincerely
Christopher O, Wallace

...
...
...
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List
...
...
...
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Message: 15
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:13:01 -0500
 From: Anibal Davila caffenated@gmail.com
 To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have
 this wrong?
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Thanks Godwin
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019, 8:46 AM Kevin
 Dwyer <kevidwyer@gmail.com
 wrote:
...
That sucks but, many thanks,
Godwin.
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM
Lauren Warbeck lauren.warbeck@gmail.com
...
wrote:
...
Thank you for your continued
work Godwin ?????????
...
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM
Godwin ! <goodgodwin@hotmail.com
 wrote:
...
...
...
Yes. I sent him an email
asking him to stop and apologize, he replied
...
...
...
with more confusing
insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I
...
...
...
removed and blocked him.
godwin

...
...
...
*From:* Thethinktank
thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org
...
...
...
on behalf of Katie Vogel
katharine.d.vogel@gmail.com
...
...
...
*Sent:* February 4, 2019
7:46 PM
...
...
...
*To:* The Think Tank
*Subject:* Re:
[TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong?
...
...
...
Is this person banned yet?
Asking for a friend.
...
...
...
On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at
22:24 christopher@holisticcycles.com
 wrote:
...
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Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm
To: "The Think Tank"
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No, you have it wrong. The
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Does a quick release
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hydraulic systems on
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systems) and make
cycling safer.
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Would it help your
school, your students, bicycle businesses and
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cyclist; if your
curriculum included verifiable testing processes,
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efficient practices
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language to help
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If any of this or all
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improve your
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telephone only. 773
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in Chicago Illinois.
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improve the cycling
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that! I look forward
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Message: 16
 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 09:33:12 -0500
 From: Judith Feist judith@backalleybikes.org
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Thank you Godwin. Greatly appreciated.
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 Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley
*"*Radical simply means 'grasping
 things at the root'"- Angela Davis
"A woman without a man is like a fish
 without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem
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Message: 17
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Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the group
 and was hoping this was not the
 "norm".
On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM Judith
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Message: 18
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Excellent. Good episode, everyone.
 B-list bad guy takes up an unexpected 20
 minutes of screen time, things get
 really bad when he suddenly stumps for
 Trump (?!), our heroes flounder, and
 then Godwin comes to the rescue with a
 deux-ex-machina fix and everything is
 resolved with hugs and emoji. Good
 television, would watch again.
Josh Bisker
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