Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
From: "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from being struck by bikes or random
flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.org wrote:
Hey All,
I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them clearly stating what's in them in multiple languages
You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet
Exit signs should be on all doors.
There should be no trip hazards.
Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to use a ladder.This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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Pretty much every shop I know has discontinued use of that ever so banana smelling wonder lube.
Ummm, quick google search on my part turns up;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7977393
"Occupational exposure to chlorinated aliphatic hydrocarbons and risk of astrocytic brain cancer. Heineman EF, Cocco P, Gómez MR, Dosemeci M, Stewart PA, Hayes RB, Zahm SH, Thomas TL, Blair A.
Occupational Studies Section, National Cancer Institute, Rockville, MD 20892.
Chlorinated aliphatic hydrocarbons (CAHs) were evaluated as potential risk factors for astrocytic brain tumors. Job-exposure matrices for six individual CAHs and for the general class of organic solvents were applied to data from a case-control study of brain cancer among white men. The matrices indicated whether the CAHs were likely to have been used in each industry and occupation by decade (1920-1980), and provided estimates of probability and intensity of exposure for "exposed" industries and occupations. Cumulative exposure indices were calculated for each subject. Associations of astrocytic brain cancer were observed with likely exposure to carbon tetrachloride, methylene chloride, tetrachloroethylene, and trichloroethylene, but were strongest for methylene chloride. Exposure to chloroform or methyl chloroform showed little indication of an association with brain cancer. Risk of astrocytic brain tumors increased with probability and average intensity of exposure, and with duration of employment in jobs considered exposed to methylene chloride, but not with a cumulative exposure score. These trends could not be explained by exposures to the other solvents.
PMID: 7977393 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:05:29 -0800 From: davidmbosch@yahoo.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
From: "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from being struck by bikes or random
flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.org wrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them clearly stating what's in them in multiple languages You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet
Exit signs should be on all doors. There should be no trip hazards. Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to use a ladder.This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
Hi All Do a google for "product name" msds msds stands for material safety data sheet and is required by govt regs. It is a good idea to get an msds for each product you use in your shop, it contains a wealth of information written in understandable english. etc,etc,etc google triflow msds.....
Regards Tom L.
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:22 PM, Nice Weather smarsa1@hotmail.com wrote:
Pretty much every shop I know has discontinued use of that ever so banana smelling wonder lube.
Ummm, quick google search on my part turns up;
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7977393
"Occupational exposure to chlorinated aliphatic hydrocarbons and risk of astrocytic brain cancer. Heineman EF, Cocco P, Gómez MR, Dosemeci M, Stewart PA, Hayes RB, Zahm SH, Thomas TL, Blair A.
Occupational Studies Section, National Cancer Institute, Rockville, MD 20892.
Chlorinated aliphatic hydrocarbons (CAHs) were evaluated as potential risk factors for astrocytic brain tumors. Job-exposure matrices for six individual CAHs and for the general class of organic solvents were applied to data from a case-control study of brain cancer among white men. The matrices indicated whether the CAHs were likely to have been used in each industry and occupation by decade (1920-1980), and provided estimates of probability and intensity of exposure for "exposed" industries and occupations. Cumulative exposure indices were calculated for each subject. Associations of astrocytic brain cancer were observed with likely exposure to carbon tetrachloride, methylene chloride, tetrachloroethylene, and trichloroethylene, but were strongest for methylene chloride. Exposure to chloroform or methyl chloroform showed little indication of an association with brain cancer. Risk of astrocytic brain tumors increased with probability and average intensity of exposure, and with duration of employment in jobs considered exposed to methylene chloride, but not with a cumulative exposure score. These trends could not be explained by exposures to the other solvents.
PMID: 7977393 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]"
Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 11:05:29 -0800 From: davidmbosch@yahoo.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
*From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com *To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.orgwrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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A systematic neurotoxin is worth being clear about. We live in an environment where there are dangerous proven toxins that should not be handled casually as well as a range of other substances in a broad spectrum of levels of toxicity. The effects of some of them are better understood than others. Further, some sources of information tend to consider everything benign unless proven otherwise and some sources seems to take the opposite approach. There is a lot of ambiguity here.
Source citations would make the claim of toxicity much more useful. Also, Tri-Flow is a compound with numerous ingredients all of which are unlikely to be equally toxic so it would probably be more accurate to state that one or more ingredients is a systematic neurotoxin. Material Safety Data Sheets for Tri-Flow are online.
In the absence of some evidence that the warning is without grounds and was not offered with good intentions, however, the flippant and cutting tone of the quip about Google causing cancer seems out of place on this list.
Does anyone have detailed scientific information to share about Tri-Flow that they feel others should know before handling it?
Gwyndaf Jones
On Dec 3, 2012, at 2:05 PM, david bosch wrote:
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
From: "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from being struck by bikes or random
flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.org wrote: Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list. All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them clearly stating what's in them in multiple languages You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet Exit signs should be on all doors. There should be no trip hazards. Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to use a ladder. This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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I googled it and came up with this MSDS sheet. Here are the side effects below.
I am reporting observations from some of our mechanics, who experienced shortness of breath, numbness, feeling dizzy, and increased bruising on their skin from getting it on their hands and inhaling it. We've encouraged nitrile gloves and increased ventilation when using all petroleum-based lubes since then, and also switched to a lubricant like ChainJ that seems to cause few if any side effects.
The MSDS states the long term effects of overexposure below, which are in line with side effects of other chemicals like pesticides:
http://stores.biochem.uiowa.edu/Pages/MSDStriflow.htm
SKIN CAN CAUSE DEFATTING OF THE SKIN, WHICH MAY RESULT IN SKIN IRRITATION AND DERMATITIS INHALATION CAN CAUSE NASAL AND RESPIRATORY IRRITATION, DIZZINESS, WEAKNESS, FATIGUE, NAUSEA HEADACHE, NERVOUS IRRITABILITY, POSSIBLE UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND ASPHYXIATION EYES CAN CAUSE INJURY, SEVERE IRRITATION, REDNESS, TEARING OR BLURRED VISION INGESTION ASPIRATION OF LIQUID INTO THE LUNG CAN CAUSE CHEMICAL PNEUMONITIS WHICH CAN BE FATAL CAN CAUSE GASTROINTESTINAL IRRITATION, NAUSEA, VOMITING AND DIARRHEA
Best, Leslie
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM, david bosch davidmbosch@yahoo.com wrote:
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
*From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com
*To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.orgwrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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Hi all, first post.
Actually, looking at the MSDS on the tri-flow site ( http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/), it does mention neurological side effects:
No ingredient in this product is an IARC, NTP or OSHA listed carcinogen.
Reports have associated repeated and prolonged overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage.
- Andy S
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.comwrote:
I googled it and came up with this MSDS sheet. Here are the side effects below.
I am reporting observations from some of our mechanics, who experienced shortness of breath, numbness, feeling dizzy, and increased bruising on their skin from getting it on their hands and inhaling it. We've encouraged nitrile gloves and increased ventilation when using all petroleum-based lubes since then, and also switched to a lubricant like ChainJ that seems to cause few if any side effects.
The MSDS states the long term effects of overexposure below, which are in line with side effects of other chemicals like pesticides:
http://stores.biochem.uiowa.edu/Pages/MSDStriflow.htm
SKIN CAN CAUSE DEFATTING OF THE SKIN, WHICH MAY RESULT IN SKIN IRRITATION AND DERMATITIS INHALATION CAN CAUSE NASAL AND RESPIRATORY IRRITATION, DIZZINESS, WEAKNESS, FATIGUE, NAUSEA HEADACHE, NERVOUS IRRITABILITY, POSSIBLE UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND ASPHYXIATION EYES CAN CAUSE INJURY, SEVERE IRRITATION, REDNESS, TEARING OR BLURRED VISION INGESTION ASPIRATION OF LIQUID INTO THE LUNG CAN CAUSE CHEMICAL PNEUMONITIS WHICH CAN BE FATAL CAN CAUSE GASTROINTESTINAL IRRITATION, NAUSEA, VOMITING AND DIARRHEA
Best, Leslie
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM, david bosch davidmbosch@yahoo.com wrote:
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
*From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com
*To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points <director@communitycycles.org
wrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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Tri-Flow has a HMIS Code of "2" (moderate) and the tests were with exposure of 4 hrs and I "assume" at a specific concentration. ChainJ is zero. Ethanol is also a systemic neurotoxin (91% HMIS of 1 - slight. Anyone ready to adhere to the Word of Wisdom? I gave it up years ago.
Managing OSHA requirements can be painful, hence the media reports of over burdensome regulations. Basically don't assume anything you do at home or your own can be done in the shop without training, safety considerations, and proper marking of anything that comes in a container. One quick technique is to capture the legal warnings off of anything commercial you bring in the shop (check the manuals) and go from there.
Ron
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 7:11 PM, Andrew Shooner ashooner@gmail.com wrote:
Hi all, first post.
Actually, looking at the MSDS on the tri-flow site ( http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/), it does mention neurological side effects:
No ingredient in this product is an IARC, NTP or OSHA listed carcinogen.
Reports have associated repeated and prolonged overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage.
- Andy S
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.comwrote:
I googled it and came up with this MSDS sheet. Here are the side effects below.
I am reporting observations from some of our mechanics, who experienced shortness of breath, numbness, feeling dizzy, and increased bruising on their skin from getting it on their hands and inhaling it. We've encouraged nitrile gloves and increased ventilation when using all petroleum-based lubes since then, and also switched to a lubricant like ChainJ that seems to cause few if any side effects.
The MSDS states the long term effects of overexposure below, which are in line with side effects of other chemicals like pesticides:
http://stores.biochem.uiowa.edu/Pages/MSDStriflow.htm
SKIN CAN CAUSE DEFATTING OF THE SKIN, WHICH MAY RESULT IN SKIN IRRITATION AND DERMATITIS INHALATION CAN CAUSE NASAL AND RESPIRATORY IRRITATION, DIZZINESS, WEAKNESS, FATIGUE, NAUSEA HEADACHE, NERVOUS IRRITABILITY, POSSIBLE UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND ASPHYXIATION EYES CAN CAUSE INJURY, SEVERE IRRITATION, REDNESS, TEARING OR BLURRED VISION INGESTION ASPIRATION OF LIQUID INTO THE LUNG CAN CAUSE CHEMICAL PNEUMONITIS WHICH CAN BE FATAL CAN CAUSE GASTROINTESTINAL IRRITATION, NAUSEA, VOMITING AND DIARRHEA
Best, Leslie
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM, david bosch davidmbosch@yahoo.comwrote:
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
*From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com
*To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM
*Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points < director@communitycycles.org> wrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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The MSDS for table salt shown here http://avogadro.chem.iastate.edu/MSDS/NaCl.htm. Apparently after any contact/ingestion whatsoever, one should seek medical attention. Salt should also not be handled without adequate ventilation, and contact with clothing should also be avoided.
I'd say if people in your shop are experiencing health problems due to tri-flow, then stop using it. None of our mechanics have complained about bruises/dizziness/etc. Just wanted to point out that MSDS sheets might not be the most realistic thing to base opinions off of.
Ryan Peterson 920-539-9407 Director of Finances and Management The New Orleans Community Bike Project
On 12/3/2012 6:11 PM, Andrew Shooner wrote:
Hi all, first post.
Actually, looking at the MSDS on the tri-flow site (http://www.triflowlubricants.com/resources/), it does mention neurological side effects:
No ingredient in this product is an IARC, NTP or OSHA listed carcinogen. Reports have associated repeated and prolonged overexposure to solvents with permanent brain and nervous system damage.
- Andy S
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 6:50 PM, Leslie Peteya <lesliepeteya@gmail.com mailto:lesliepeteya@gmail.com> wrote:
I googled it and came up with this MSDS sheet. Here are the side effects below. I am reporting observations from some of our mechanics, who experienced shortness of breath, numbness, feeling dizzy, and increased bruising on their skin from getting it on their hands and inhaling it. We've encouraged nitrile gloves and increased ventilation when using all petroleum-based lubes since then, and also switched to a lubricant like ChainJ that seems to cause few if any side effects. The MSDS states the long term effects of overexposure below, which are in line with side effects of other chemicals like pesticides: http://stores.biochem.uiowa.edu/Pages/MSDStriflow.htm SKIN CAN CAUSE DEFATTING OF THE SKIN, WHICH MAY RESULT IN SKIN IRRITATION AND DERMATITIS INHALATION CAN CAUSE NASAL AND RESPIRATORY IRRITATION, DIZZINESS, WEAKNESS, FATIGUE, NAUSEA HEADACHE, NERVOUS IRRITABILITY, POSSIBLE UNCONSCIOUSNESS AND ASPHYXIATION EYES CAN CAUSE INJURY, SEVERE IRRITATION, REDNESS, TEARING OR BLURRED VISION INGESTION ASPIRATION OF LIQUID INTO THE LUNG CAN CAUSE CHEMICAL PNEUMONITIS WHICH CAN BE FATAL CAN CAUSE GASTROINTESTINAL IRRITATION, NAUSEA, VOMITING AND DIARRHEA Best, Leslie On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 2:05 PM, david bosch <davidmbosch@yahoo.com <mailto:davidmbosch@yahoo.com>> wrote: Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com <mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>" <christopher@holisticcycles.com <mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>> *To:* The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya <lesliepeteya@gmail.com <mailto:lesliepeteya@gmail.com>> Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> 1) Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers 2) Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children 3) No smoking within 10 feet of the shop 4) Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools. That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC) On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points <director@communitycycles.org <mailto:director@communitycycles.org>> wrote: Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list. * All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them clearly stating what's in them in _multiple languages_ * You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet_ _ * Exit signs should be on all doors. * There should be no trip hazards. * Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to use a ladder. This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way. What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant? Ride On! -- -- Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019 Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. 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"Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff"
Can you cite some sources showing that casual use of Triflow involving temporary occasional skin contact "wrecks both nervous system and brain"?
It seems a little hysterical, given that it's got an HMIS rating of 2, which is fairly low, and given that there are other far more significant risks in both cycling and bike repair (e.g. bike/car accidents far more frequently wreck both nervous system and brain, but I don't see people repeatedly posting here on the need to wear a helmet).
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.orgwrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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I wondered but now see not much of that can be from the PTFE? They also make a soy based lube withPTFE & zero volatiles and a flash point of >200 F disposal is non-HAZMAT
PRODUCT WEIGHT 7.6 lb/gal 910 g/l SPECIFIC GRAVITY 0.91 BOILING POINT Not Applicable MELTING POINT Not Available VOLATILE VOLUME 0% EVAPORATION RATE N.A. VAPOR DENSITY N.A. SOLUBILITY IN WATER N.A. VOLATILE ORGANIC COMPOUNDS (VOC Theoretical - As Packaged) 0.0 lb/gal 0g/l Less Water and Federally Exempt Solvents 0.0 lb/gal 0g/l Emitted VOC
Many in the vintage sewing machine world use Tri-Flow because it as the volaties do their thing when a machine may sit for a really long time, parts remain loose. Try that with 3-In-1. Hey did ya see it's now illegal to make a U-turn in DC across the center bike lanes? Personally I'm more worried about distracted drivers than Tri-Flow. Speaking only for myself.
Ron
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 2:17 PM, John Brown johnsbrown@gmail.com wrote:
" Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff"
Can you cite some sources showing that casual use of Triflow involving temporary occasional skin contact "wrecks both nervous system and brain"?
It seems a little hysterical, given that it's got an HMIS rating of 2, which is fairly low, and given that there are other far more significant risks in both cycling and bike repair (e.g. bike/car accidents far more frequently wreck both nervous system and brain, but I don't see people repeatedly posting here on the need to wear a helmet).
On Mon, Dec 3, 2012 at 10:34 AM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points <director@communitycycles.org
wrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
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Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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