Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
I think I've got to back Ryan up on this one.
Comparing it to table salt and it's MSDS sheet was telling. I wish there were similar data on refined sugar (which I view as the most dangerous toxin of all) readily available. Given my worldview, I would still never yell at anyone about eating 90% of American food.
We use such small amounts of tri-flow regularly and use our own old school metal oil cans for distribution within the shop which releases a drop at a time. I hate petro-chemicals, to be sure, and we do offer gloves, but I'm also on the side of the wear-a-bike-helmet-only-if-YOU-find it-necessary argument. This is also one of those cases where privilege and environment play a factor in people's worldview and how they choose to express a sentiment or opinion. Please remember this when making dictative statements about what's bad for us and what isn't. Much like the entire rest of the Gulf Coast (especially Tamaulipas and Vera Cruz) Southern Louisiana is a place that has been made toxic by all of North America's indulgences. Our land has disappeared so y'all could have oil and gas and our seafood has been poisoned repeatedly for the same reason. Our ground (what hasn't disappeared, anyway) has lead in it and we have some of the worst transportation infrastructure, health care, and education in the country, and this has to do mostly with unfair compensation of the exploitation of our natural resources, which EVERYONE ELSE has benefited from.
So maybe, just maybe, we're gonna view your preaching and whining about tri-flow as a little indulgent. Sure, we appreciate the heads-up and will probably change our use of it as a result of this thread, BUT GODDAMMIT STOP PREACHING TO US. IT'S ANNOYING AS HELL.
We've got bigger (poisoned) fish to fry. In fact, we may just fry it in tri-flow.
All of our children already have cancer.
Deal with that reality.
And my flippant tone.
Victor Pizarro Project Organizer Plan B, The New Orleans Community Bike Project
On 12/4/2012 8:46 PM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tri Flow MSDS sheet detail
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN USE Use only with adequate ventilation. Avoid breathing vapor and spray mist. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Wash hands after using. VENTILATION Local exhaust preferable. RESPIRATORY PROTECTION Wear a properly fitted organic vapor/particulate respirator approved by NIOSH/MSHA for protection against materials in Section 2. PROTECTIVE GLOVES For long or repeated contact, wear chemical resistant gloves. EYE PROTECTION Wear safety s Irritation of eyes, skin and respiratory system. Causes nervous system depression. Extreme overexposure may result in unconsciousness and possibly death. SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE Headache, dizziness, nausea, and loss of coordination are indications of excessive exposure to vapors or spray mists
Would you like me to post more
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: david bosch <davidmbosch@yahoo.com <mailto:davidmbosch@yahoo.com>> Date: Mon, December 03, 2012 12:05 pm To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com <mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>" <christopher@holisticcycles.com <mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>> *To:* The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya <lesliepeteya@gmail.com <mailto:lesliepeteya@gmail.com>> Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> 1) Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers 2) Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children 3) No smoking within 10 feet of the shop 4) Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools. That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC) On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points <director@communitycycles.org <mailto:director@communitycycles.org>> wrote: Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list. * All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them clearly stating what's in them in _multiple languages_ * You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet_ _ * Exit signs should be on all doors. * There should be no trip hazards. * Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to use a ladder. This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way. What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant? Ride On! -- -- Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019 Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. 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I think the initial un-cited, detail-bare, sweeping declarative statement has set off the skeptic alarms among a number of us.
Anyway, I grabbed an MSDS sheet for Tri-flow myself. Here you go, a link to a PDF for the non-aerosol stuffhttp://www.paintdocs.com/webmsds/webPDF.jsp?SITEID=DBS&prodno=032053210136&doctype=MSDS&lang=E .
More telling than the listed hazards is the composition (for me, at least, being mildly familiar with the more common of the ingredients).
*% By weight:* 35% - hexane 16% - 2-methylpentane 6% - 3-methylpentane 5% - 2,3-dimethylbutane 2% - 2,2-dimethylbutane 7% - mineral spirits 10% - heavy naphthenic petroleum oil 2% - cyclohexane 1% - amyl acetate
Mmmm. Knowing this, I'll probably start wearing gloves and stop sniffing so much when using Tri-Flow. Thanks.
(Also, holy firebomb. Triflow's website lists the flashpoint as < 0F. Note to self: pay more attention to surroundings when torching bottom brackets.)
By contrast, Pedro's Chainjhttp://www.pedros.com/MSDS/MSDS_8_27_08_US/Chainj_US_CAN_MEX_English.pdfjust lists:
- Distillates (petroleum), solvent-refined heavy paraffinic, 1-5%
- Distillates (petroleum), solvent-refined light paraffinic, 1-5%
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On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 9:20 AM, Plan B nolabikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
I think I've got to back Ryan up on this one.
Comparing it to table salt and it's MSDS sheet was telling. I wish there were similar data on refined sugar (which I view as the most dangerous toxin of all) readily available. Given my worldview, I would still never yell at anyone about eating 90% of American food.
We use such small amounts of tri-flow regularly and use our own old school metal oil cans for distribution within the shop which releases a drop at a time. I hate petro-chemicals, to be sure, and we do offer gloves, but I'm also on the side of the wear-a-bike-helmet-only-if-YOU-find it-necessary argument. This is also one of those cases where privilege and environment play a factor in people's worldview and how they choose to express a sentiment or opinion. Please remember this when making dictative statements about what's bad for us and what isn't. Much like the entire rest of the Gulf Coast (especially Tamaulipas and Vera Cruz) Southern Louisiana is a place that has been made toxic by all of North America's indulgences. Our land has disappeared so y'all could have oil and gas and our seafood has been poisoned repeatedly for the same reason. Our ground (what hasn't disappeared, anyway) has lead in it and we have some of the worst transportation infrastructure, health care, and education in the country, and this has to do mostly with unfair compensation of the exploitation of our natural resources, which EVERYONE ELSE has benefited from.
So maybe, just maybe, we're gonna view your preaching and whining about tri-flow as a little indulgent. Sure, we appreciate the heads-up and will probably change our use of it as a result of this thread, BUT GODDAMMIT STOP PREACHING TO US. IT'S ANNOYING AS HELL.
We've got bigger (poisoned) fish to fry. In fact, we may just fry it in tri-flow.
All of our children already have cancer.
Deal with that reality.
And my flippant tone.
Victor Pizarro Project Organizer Plan B, The New Orleans Community Bike Project
On 12/4/2012 8:46 PM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
Tri Flow MSDS sheet detail
PRECAUTIONS TO BE TAKEN IN USE Use only with adequate ventilation. Avoid breathing vapor and spray mist. Avoid contact with skin and eyes. Wash hands after using. VENTILATION Local exhaust preferable. RESPIRATORY PROTECTION Wear a properly fitted organic vapor/particulate respirator approved by NIOSH/MSHA for protection against materials in Section 2. PROTECTIVE GLOVES For long or repeated contact, wear chemical resistant gloves. EYE PROTECTION Wear safety s Irritation of eyes, skin and respiratory system. Causes nervous system depression. Extreme overexposure may result in unconsciousness and possibly death. SIGNS AND SYMPTOMS OF EXPOSURE Headache, dizziness, nausea, and loss of coordination are indications of excessive exposure to vapors or spray mists
Would you like me to post more
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: david bosch davidmbosch@yahoo.com Date: Mon, December 03, 2012 12:05 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Before everybody gets all bent out of shape about Tri-Flow being a "systemic neurotoxin", can anyone site scientific literature that backs up this claim? I just did a check on Google Scholar any came up with nothing...Or does Google cause cancer as well and therefore is in on this conspiracy? David
*From:* "christopher@holisticcycles.com" christopher@holisticcycles.com *To:* The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org *Sent:* Monday, December 3, 2012 1:34 PM *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant?
Triflow is also a systemic neurotoxin that wrecks both nervous system and brain. Really bad stuff
Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 140 Harrison St Oak Park, IL. 60304
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is your shop OSHA Compliant? From: Leslie Peteya lesliepeteya@gmail.com Date: Mon, November 05, 2012 5:58 pm To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
- Chemical-soaked rags are stored in metal fireproof containers
- Chemicals are kept at least 4 feet high away from children
- No smoking within 10 feet of the shop
- Fluorescent lights and radiant heaters are caged to prevent them from
being struck by bikes or random flying parts (our back room is only 7 feet high) 5) Welding is done strictly outside the shop, no youth allowed. 6) We have a fire extinguisher in the shop, and try to minimize clutter. 7) I keep a well stocked first aid box because people are always stabbing themselves with cable ends, chainrings, tools, and the like. 8) Encourage volunteers to get tetanus vaccinations and boosters. 9) Keep the shop stocked with nitrile gloves to prevent lubricants and penetrants from making skin contact- TriFlow is particularly absorbent, and will cause capillaries to break in the hands. We switched to ChainJ for this reason. 10) Water cooler and electrolyte mix, working inside or in the shade, and shorter shop hours during the summer to prevent heatstroke and dehydration. 11) Possibly making our core volunteers take Basic First Aid and CPR, although we have enough first response people floating around the shop (on-duty cops, nurses, PAs, etc.) to be sufficient. 12) All electrical and water lines are marked- electrical lines are run down from the ceiling to prevent trip hazards. 13) Encourage closed toe shoes, goggles and masks if filing, sanding or otherwise running power tools.
That's about all I can think of for now. -Leslie Durham Bike Co-op (NC)
On Mon, Nov 5, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Rich Points director@communitycycles.orgwrote:
Hey All, I just went to a day long seminar on Human Resources where they spent some time talking about OSHA. From what they said at the seminar OSHA can come in at any time and audit your shop. Apparently if they find violations they can fine the shit out of you. Here are some things I learned and remember this was 20mins of a day long seminar, there are week long classes on this stuff. This is a very short list.
- All chemicals and solvents should have warning labels on them
clearly stating what's in them in *multiple languages*
- You should not keep aspirin, ibuprofen, neosporin or any other
pharmaceuticals that someone could potentially have a reaction to in your medicine cabinet*
- Exit signs should be on all doors.
- There should be no trip hazards.
- Your staff needs to go through trainings on such things as how to
use a ladder.
This list is nowhere close to comprehensive but I'm going to be looking into this more in the coming weeks and months. We've been around for almost seven years now never had a serious accident and I want to keep it that way.
What are you guys doing to keep your shops safe and maybe even OSHA compliant?
Ride On!
--
Rich Points http://communitycycles.org Executive Director (c)303-589-0597 (w)720-565-6019
Community Cycles is Boulder's only bike shop dedicated to bike commuting. Find us on facebook https://www.facebook.com/CommunityCycles
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