We come across the same problems also. We use the Park PC3 chain tools and have to replace the pins fairly regularly (and find that many people that say they know how to use them may not really know how...so watching for the first few seconds helps). You can also buy direct from Park Tools replacement parts which has been very helpful when you can replace just the chain tool handle or just the T shaped screw part. The parts are about half the price of a new tool and less waste. Same goes for any of Park Tools products such as crank arm extractors and bike repair stand arms, etc. You can get a parts catalog for free through QBP and I assume through Park but you don't need any account to order from Park directly. the pump? I am at a loss but the silca seems to hold up the best for Schroeder valve using the little brass screw type head. Troy BICASTucson AZ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Bruzzone" To: "The Think Tank" Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] On Shop tools Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:10:01 -0700
With the Park Tools, you can replace just the pins--it's usually much cheaper (and creates less waste!) than buying a whole new tool.
But yes, those are things that break all the time for us as well.
Cheers, Mario Bruzzone Bike Kitchen San Francisco
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all,
This is Sherief from the Austin Yellowbike, and I was hoping to
pool the thinktank's experience with shop tools prone to breakage
and the like. We're currently having huge issues keeping up with
Chain Tools and Presta Valve pumps especially... it feels like
not a week goes by without at least one of each of these tools
breaking. W/r/t the chain tools, we recently switched from the
nicer Park tools to the cheapest we could get out of the catalog,
but with the way those break there's effectively no net savings
and even when they are functioning the new cheap ones are no
good. We try to make sure people know how to use the tools
before they do, etc. But my question(s) today is: Do people have
any similar experience out there with broken/breakable tools--
specifically good ways to prevent these breakages? Does anyone
have any recommendations for good chain tools /PV pumps that can
withstand a bit of overeager volunteerin g?
Best,
Sherief
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as for pumps I've had good luck with topeak two sided pumps. They are pretty durable and it's easy to get new parts for them if they break or go missing(you can order a repair kit from QBP, or just seperate parts), and they make sense to people. (I've had good luck with the specialized pump as well, but it can be harder to get parts for them) We had afew silca headed pumps that were donated to us and all of them have parts missing because people don't know how to use them. It constantly blows my mind how many people out there have no idea how to pump up a tire!!!!! I've thought about attaching laminated cards to the pumps with instructions on proper use, but haven't gotten that together yet....
Still, no matter how well you care for a pump, the rubber fitting in the head will eventually wear out, so it's nice to know that you can easily find the replacement...
On a slightly different note, how do you guys label your freewheel and bottom bracket tools? We've had more problems with those going missing and getting stripped than any other tool in the shop. Especially the very similar shimano splined FW tool, and the Falcon/atomic Splined FW tool. They look the same, but if you use the wrong one you strip the tool, plus, the only way to tell which one you need is to read the label on the free wheel itself..... also those Suntour two prong FW removers strip all the time if you don't use them right.....any ideas on this would be great!!
-beth velocipede bike project baltimore, md
We come across the same problems also. We use the Park PC3 chain tools and have to replace the pins fairly regularly (and find that many people that say they know how to use them may not really know how...so watching for the first few seconds helps). You can also buy direct from Park Tools replacement parts which has been very helpful when you can replace just the chain tool handle or just the T shaped screw part. The parts are about half the price of a new tool and less waste. Same goes for any of Park Tools products such as crank arm extractors and bike repair stand arms, etc. You can get a parts catalog for free through QBP and I assume through Park but you don't need any account to order from Park directly. the pump? I am at a loss but the silca seems to hold up the best for Schroeder valve using the little brass screw type head. Troy BICASTucson AZ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Bruzzone" To: "The Think Tank" Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] On Shop tools Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:10:01 -0700
With the Park Tools, you can replace just the pins--it's usually much cheaper (and creates less waste!) than buying a whole new tool.
But yes, those are things that break all the time for us as well.
Cheers, Mario Bruzzone Bike Kitchen San Francisco
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, This is Sherief from the Austin Yellowbike, and I was hoping to pool the thinktank's experience with shop tools prone to breakage and the like. We're currently having huge issues keeping up with Chain Tools and Presta Valve pumps especially... it feels like not a week goes by without at least one of each of these tools breaking. W/r/t the chain tools, we recently switched from the nicer Park tools to the cheapest we could get out of the catalog, but with the way those break there's effectively no net savings and even when they are functioning the new cheap ones are no good. We try to make sure people know how to use the tools before they do, etc. But my question(s) today is: Do people have any similar experience out there with broken/breakable tools-- specifically good ways to prevent these breakages? Does anyone have any recommendations for good chain tools /PV pumps that can withstand a bit of overeager volunteerin g? Best, Sherief _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org
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One of our volunteers told me the Suntour tools are prone to breaking. It has something to do with the right kind of metal for the tool being very expensive, so it's made with a more breakable, cheaper metal instead. It helps me, at least, to know which tools to put into the "consumable" category.. for my own peace of mind.
-rachael
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Velocipede Bike Project < info@velocipedebikeproject.org> wrote:
as for pumps I've had good luck with topeak two sided pumps. They are pretty durable and it's easy to get new parts for them if they break or go missing(you can order a repair kit from QBP, or just seperate parts), and they make sense to people. (I've had good luck with the specialized pump as well, but it can be harder to get parts for them) We had afew silca headed pumps that were donated to us and all of them have parts missing because people don't know how to use them. It constantly blows my mind how many people out there have no idea how to pump up a tire!!!!! I've thought about attaching laminated cards to the pumps with instructions on proper use, but haven't gotten that together yet....
Still, no matter how well you care for a pump, the rubber fitting in the head will eventually wear out, so it's nice to know that you can easily find the replacement...
On a slightly different note, how do you guys label your freewheel and bottom bracket tools? We've had more problems with those going missing and getting stripped than any other tool in the shop. Especially the very similar shimano splined FW tool, and the Falcon/atomic Splined FW tool. They look the same, but if you use the wrong one you strip the tool, plus, the only way to tell which one you need is to read the label on the free wheel itself..... also those Suntour two prong FW removers strip all the time if you don't use them right.....any ideas on this would be great!!
-beth velocipede bike project baltimore, md
We come across the same problems also. We use the Park PC3 chain tools and have to replace the pins fairly regularly (and find that many people that say they know how to use them may not really know how...so watching for the first few seconds helps). You can also buy direct from Park
Tools
replacement parts which has been very helpful when you can replace just the chain tool handle or just the T shaped screw part. The parts are about half the price of a new tool and less waste. Same goes for any
of
Park Tools products such as crank arm extractors and bike repair stand arms, etc. You can get a parts catalog for free through QBP and I
assume
through Park but you don't need any account to order from Park directly. the pump? I am at a loss but the silca seems to hold up the best for Schroeder valve using the little brass screw type head. Troy
BICASTucson
AZ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Bruzzone" To: "The Think Tank" Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] On Shop tools Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:10:01 -0700
With the Park Tools, you can replace just the pins--it's usually much cheaper (and creates less waste!) than buying a whole new tool.
But yes, those are things that break all the time for us as well.
Cheers, Mario Bruzzone Bike Kitchen San Francisco
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, This is Sherief from the Austin Yellowbike, and I was hoping to pool the thinktank's experience with shop tools prone to breakage and the like. We're currently having huge issues keeping up with Chain Tools and Presta Valve pumps especially... it feels like not a week goes by without at least one of each of these tools breaking. W/r/t the chain tools, we recently switched from the nicer Park tools to the cheapest we could get out of the catalog, but with the way those break there's effectively no net savings and even when they are functioning the new cheap ones are no good. We try to make sure people know how to use the tools before they do, etc. But my question(s) today is: Do people have any similar experience out there with broken/breakable tools-- specifically good ways to prevent these breakages? Does anyone have any recommendations for good chain tools /PV pumps that can withstand a bit of overeager volunteerin g? Best, Sherief _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@bikecollectives.orghttp://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o...
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Thanks for the responses everyone...Maybe this month we'll try ordering a mixed bag of tools and pumps and do an endurance test to see which lasts longest. Regarding the freewheel/cassette tools, our biggest problem is the two-splined removers stripping themselves or destroying the freewheel. In either case you can sometimes just remove the axle and thread a really long quick release skewer through the hub shell and remover together to clamp them down hard enough to compensate for their being stripped out...It works in a pinch, but haven't figured out any lasting solutions or organizational schema there...
-sherief
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM, rachael spiewak rachael@sopobikes.org wrote:
One of our volunteers told me the Suntour tools are prone to breaking. It has something to do with the right kind of metal for the tool being very expensive, so it's made with a more breakable, cheaper metal instead. It helps me, at least, to know which tools to put into the "consumable" category.. for my own peace of mind.
-rachael
On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Velocipede Bike Project < info@velocipedebikeproject.org> wrote:
as for pumps I've had good luck with topeak two sided pumps. They are pretty durable and it's easy to get new parts for them if they break or go missing(you can order a repair kit from QBP, or just seperate parts), and they make sense to people. (I've had good luck with the specialized pump as well, but it can be harder to get parts for them) We had afew silca headed pumps that were donated to us and all of them have parts missing because people don't know how to use them. It constantly blows my mind how many people out there have no idea how to pump up a tire!!!!! I've thought about attaching laminated cards to the pumps with instructions on proper use, but haven't gotten that together yet....
Still, no matter how well you care for a pump, the rubber fitting in the head will eventually wear out, so it's nice to know that you can easily find the replacement...
On a slightly different note, how do you guys label your freewheel and bottom bracket tools? We've had more problems with those going missing and getting stripped than any other tool in the shop. Especially the very similar shimano splined FW tool, and the Falcon/atomic Splined FW tool. They look the same, but if you use the wrong one you strip the tool, plus, the only way to tell which one you need is to read the label on the free wheel itself..... also those Suntour two prong FW removers strip all the time if you don't use them right.....any ideas on this would be great!!
-beth velocipede bike project baltimore, md
We come across the same problems also. We use the Park PC3 chain
tools
and have to replace the pins fairly regularly (and find that many
people
that say they know how to use them may not really know how...so
watching
for the first few seconds helps). You can also buy direct from Park
Tools
replacement parts which has been very helpful when you can replace
just
the chain tool handle or just the T shaped screw part. The parts are about half the price of a new tool and less waste. Same goes for any
of
Park Tools products such as crank arm extractors and bike repair stand arms, etc. You can get a parts catalog for free through QBP and I
assume
through Park but you don't need any account to order from Park
directly.
the pump? I am at a loss but the silca seems to hold up the best for Schroeder valve using the little brass screw type head. Troy
BICASTucson
AZ
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Bruzzone" To: "The Think Tank" Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] On Shop tools Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:10:01 -0700
With the Park Tools, you can replace just the pins--it's usually
much
cheaper (and creates less waste!) than buying a whole new tool.
But yes, those are things that break all the time for us as well.
Cheers, Mario Bruzzone Bike Kitchen San Francisco
On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote:
Hello all, This is Sherief from the Austin Yellowbike, and I was hoping to pool the thinktank's experience with shop tools prone to breakage and the like. We're currently having huge issues keeping up with Chain Tools and Presta Valve pumps especially... it feels like not a week goes by without at least one of each of these tools breaking. W/r/t the chain tools, we recently switched from the nicer Park tools to the cheapest we could get out of the catalog, but with the way those break there's effectively no net savings and even when they are functioning the new cheap ones are no good. We try to make sure people know how to use the tools before they do, etc. But my question(s) today is: Do people have any similar experience out there with broken/breakable tools-- specifically good ways to prevent these breakages? Does anyone have any recommendations for good chain tools /PV pumps that can withstand a bit of overeager volunteerin g? Best, Sherief _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@bikecollectives.orghttp://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o...
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Jonathan Morrison -
rachael spiewak -
Sherief -
troy neiman -
Velocipede Bike Project