Re: [TheThinkTank] ***DHSPAM*** Re: On Shop tools

-- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households. On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 1:56 PM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote: > Thanks for the responses everyone...Maybe this month we'll try ordering a > mixed bag of tools and pumps and do an endurance test to see which lasts > longest. Regarding the freewheel/cassette tools, our biggest problem is the > two-splined removers stripping themselves or destroying the freewheel. In > either case you can sometimes just remove the axle and thread a really long > quick release skewer through the hub shell and remover together to clamp > them down hard enough to compensate for their being stripped out...It works > in a pinch, but haven't figured out any lasting solutions or organizational > schema there... > > -sherief > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 2:25 PM, rachael spiewak rachael@sopobikes.org > wrote: > > > One of our volunteers told me the Suntour tools are prone to breaking. > > It has something to do with the right kind of metal for the tool being very > > expensive, so it's made with a more breakable, cheaper metal instead. It > > helps me, at least, to know which tools to put into the "consumable" > > category.. for my own peace of mind. > > > > -rachael > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 1, 2008 at 11:54 AM, Velocipede Bike Project < > > info@velocipedebikeproject.org> wrote: > > > > > as for pumps I've had good luck with topeak two sided pumps. They are > > > pretty durable and it's easy to get new parts for them if they break > > > or go > > > missing(you can order a repair kit from QBP, or just seperate parts), > > > and > > > they make sense to people. (I've had good luck with the specialized > > > pump > > > as well, but it can be harder to get parts for them) We had afew silca > > > headed pumps that were donated to us and all of them have parts > > > missing > > > because people don't know how to use them. It constantly blows my > > > mind > > > how many people out there have no idea how to pump up a tire!!!!! I've > > > thought about attaching laminated cards to the pumps with instructions > > > on > > > proper use, but haven't gotten that together yet.... > > > > > > Still, no matter how well you care for a pump, the rubber fitting in > > > the > > > head will eventually wear out, so it's nice to know that you can > > > easily > > > find the replacement... > > > > > > On a slightly different note, how do you guys label your freewheel and > > > bottom bracket tools? We've had more problems with those going > > > missing > > > and getting stripped than any other tool in the shop. Especially the > > > very > > > similar shimano splined FW tool, and the Falcon/atomic Splined FW > > > tool. > > > They look the same, but if you use the wrong one you strip the tool, > > > plus, > > > the only way to tell which one you need is to read the label on the > > > free > > > wheel itself..... also those Suntour two prong FW removers strip all > > > the > > > time if you don't use them right.....any ideas on this would be > > > great!! > > > > > > -beth > > > velocipede bike project > > > baltimore, md > > > > > > > We come across the same problems also. We use the Park PC3 chain > > > tools > > > > and have to replace the pins fairly regularly (and find that many > > > people > > > > that say they know how to use them may not really know how...so > > > watching > > > > for the first few seconds helps). You can also buy direct from Park > > > Tools > > > > replacement parts which has been very helpful when you can replace > > > just > > > > the chain tool handle or just the T shaped screw part. The parts > > > are > > > > about half the price of a new tool and less waste. Same goes for > > > any of > > > > Park Tools products such as crank arm extractors and bike repair > > > stand > > > > arms, etc. You can get a parts catalog for free through QBP and I > > > assume > > > > through Park but you don't need any account to order from Park > > > directly. > > > > the pump? I am at a loss but the silca seems to hold up the best > > > for > > > > Schroeder valve using the little brass screw type head. Troy > > > BICASTucson > > > > AZ > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Mario Bruzzone" > > > > To: "The Think Tank" > > > > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] On Shop tools > > > > Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:10:01 -0700 > > > > > > > > With the Park Tools, you can replace just the pins--it's usually > > > much > > > > cheaper (and creates less waste!) than buying a whole new tool. > > > > > > > > But yes, those are things that break all the time for us as well. > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > Mario Bruzzone > > > > Bike Kitchen > > > > San Francisco > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 9:53 AM, Sherief sgaber@gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > > > This is Sherief from the Austin Yellowbike, and I was hoping to > > > > pool the thinktank's experience with shop tools prone to > > > breakage > > > > and the like. We're currently having huge issues keeping up > > > with > > > > Chain Tools and Presta Valve pumps especially... it feels like > > > > not a week goes by without at least one of each of these tools > > > > breaking. W/r/t the chain tools, we recently switched from the > > > > nicer Park tools to the cheapest we could get out of the > > > catalog, > > > > but with the way those break there's effectively no net savings > > > > and even when they are functioning the new cheap ones are no > > > > good. We try to make sure people know how to use the tools > > > > before they do, etc. But my question(s) today is: Do people > > > have > > > > any similar experience out there with broken/breakable tools-- > > > > specifically good ways to prevent these breakages? Does anyone > > > > have any recommendations for good chain tools /PV pumps that can > > > > withstand a bit of overeager volunteerin g? > > > > > > > > > > > > Best, > > > > Sherief > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thethinktank mailing list > > > > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thethinktank mailing list > > > > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Want an e-mail address like mine? > > > > Get a free e-mail account today at www.mail.com! > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Thethinktank mailing list > > > > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Thethinktank mailing list > > > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Sopo Bicycle Cooperative > > 404-425-9989 > > www.sopobikes.org > > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > > Hours of operation: > > Tues/Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm > > Sat/Sun 2 pm - 5 pm > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o... > >