we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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An insurance policy would cover something like this, although your shop would probably be out of pocket anyway because the deductible would likely be within that price range.
While our insurance doesn't have to deal directly with health care costs (the whole Canada thing...), our policy does have coverage for the things that would basically destroy any organization: death & dismemberment coverage, as well as legal liability protection up to $2 million dollars.
If you're curious about insurance, the best thing I can suggest is find some shops nearby who have solicited insurance already. It helps a lot if the agent knows what this whole bike thing is about. Our quote dropped almost $2k when we spoke to an agent who was familiar with bike co-ops (thanks, Bike Sauce!)
Hope your volunteer is ok! Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org http://communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
On 14/02/2011 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org http://www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank-owner@lists.bikecollectives.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: bike valet question (Angel York) 2. bike valet question (CAT Director) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com <mailto:aniola@gmail.com>> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: <AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com <mailto:WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now! Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions. I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations. Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley <bicirider@gmail.com <mailto:bicirider@gmail.com>> wrote: > hi, all, > It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then), > and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick > favor to ask: > > I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at > events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me > that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of > outreach that I don't know about. > > Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently > get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad). > I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an > event-to-event basis. > > Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone > combining parking with wrenching? > > Reply on or off list. > > warmly, > kyle > > -- > If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org <mailto:TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org> > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org > >
Hi-
From both an ethical and legal perspective, you may be liable for such
injuries. Additionally, there may be a statutory requirement with your state requiring that organizations such as yours render emergency assistance. You may also have insurance (umbrella, general liability, or premises liability) which may cover it. If you don't have this coverage, you should, as it is a cost of doing business and a way to manage these unpredictable expenses.
Regardless, an organization that does not see to prompt medical attention for a non-tresspasser injured on their premises is asking for trouble. Always encourage people to adopt a conservative attitude toward risk in these situations, by accommodating and encouraging all reasonable emergency care. With respect to emergency care, figure out how to pay for it later.
I am an attorney, but not your attorney. This email does not constitute an attorney-client relationship. If you need legal advice consult your state bar.
Kevin Dwyer Chairman-Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective Board of Directors
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.orgwrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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Can't offer much that would be useful to your situation, but our Canadian perspective is:
- We're in Alberta, Canada. Individuals have to pay for their own
ambulance trips if they call one (although many people have non-profit insurance coverage for that), but our healthcare system covers the rest. 2. We have $5 million general liability. That covers us against lawsuits where our organization is likely at fault. It's about $1000/yr to cover the majority of our activities, including our workshop. 3. We also pay into voluntary workers' compensation for our shop volunteers. The cost varies with the number of volunteer hours, but is around $600. It provides loss-of-pay compensation to our volunteers should they be injured while volunteering at our shop.
Chris Chan President Edmonton Bicycle Commuters' Society http://edmontonbikes.ca/
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Hi-
From both an ethical and legal perspective, you may be liable for such injuries. Additionally, there may be a statutory requirement with your state requiring that organizations such as yours render emergency assistance. You may also have insurance (umbrella, general liability, or premises liability) which may cover it. If you don't have this coverage, you should, as it is a cost of doing business and a way to manage these unpredictable expenses.
Regardless, an organization that does not see to prompt medical attention for a non-tresspasser injured on their premises is asking for trouble. Always encourage people to adopt a conservative attitude toward risk in these situations, by accommodating and encouraging all reasonable emergency care. With respect to emergency care, figure out how to pay for it later.
I am an attorney, but not your attorney. This email does not constitute an attorney-client relationship. If you need legal advice consult your state bar.
Kevin Dwyer Chairman-Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective Board of Directors
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out , your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth, later dudes!!!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.orgwrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org http://communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
On 14/02/2011 7:34 PM, Jon Braswell wrote:
absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out , your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth, later dudes!!!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op <tito@sopobikes.org mailto:tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated. tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307 cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367 www.sopobikes.org <http://www.sopobikes.org/> Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education. On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:41 PM, <thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org>> wrote: Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org> You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank-owner@lists.bikecollectives.org> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: bike valet question (Angel York) 2. bike valet question (CAT Director) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York <aniola@gmail.com <mailto:aniola@gmail.com>> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: <AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com <mailto:WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now! Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions. I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations. Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley <bicirider@gmail.com <mailto:bicirider@gmail.com>> wrote: > hi, all, > It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then), > and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick > favor to ask: > > I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at > events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me > that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of > outreach that I don't know about. > > Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently > get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad). > I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an > event-to-event basis. > > Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone > combining parking with wrenching? > > Reply on or off list. > > warmly, > kyle > > -- > If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org <mailto:Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org <mailto:TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org> > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org > >
Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage?
Here's a photo of the solution the Bicycle Kitchen in Los Angeles has come up with for spoke storage:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclekitchen/5434527740/
- Sam
I made this thing which I call Spokeville (all our storage areas are some sort of ville) for BikeWorks in Edmonton. It works pretty well. It's basically just ABS piping cut to the length of the spoke and mounted on a piece of plywood that sits in a milk carton. The beauty of it is that because each individual tube is the length of the spoke it stores its fairly easy to tell if the spoke is in the wrong place.
Alex
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Clifford McCarten [B!KE] < director@communitybikeshop.org> wrote:
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
On 14/02/2011 7:34 PM, Jon Braswell wrote:
absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out , your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth, later dudes!!!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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We use library card catalog drawers (bought from UC Davis) for all small parts, including spokes.
May you Pedal in Peace, Darin Wick (Davis Bike Collective - Davis, CA)
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:56 PM, Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net wrote:
Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage?
Here's a photo of the solution the Bicycle Kitchen in Los Angeles has come up with for spoke storage:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/bicyclekitchen/5434527740/
- Sam
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On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Clifford McCarten [B!KE] wrote:
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and
storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing
cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by
the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop
that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227On 14/02/2011 7:34 PM, Jon Braswell wrote:
absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come
up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out ,
your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of
hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I
cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes
unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to
really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really
know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say
and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth,
later dudes!!!On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op <tito@sopobikes.org
wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting
injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to
the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have
insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced
this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical
expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is
there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of
reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things?
any input would be much appreciated.tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover
for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you
now!Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus
has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they
lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have
borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of
various bike organizations.Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley
bicirider@gmail.com wrote:hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now
and then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a
quick
favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike
parking at
events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it
occurred to me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a
form of
outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges;
pretty rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this
on an
event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful
instances? Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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I saw this spoke solution at New Hope Bike Co-op in Hamilton, ON, this summer:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58552649@N05/5446978954/.
Tom Bulten Boston Square Community Bikes Oakdale Neighbors 1260 Kalamazoo SE Grand Rapids, MI 49507 www.oakdaleneighbors.org 616-248-2848
From: Clifford McCarten [B!KE] director@communitybikeshop.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 7:40:48 PM Subject: [TheThinkTank] Spoke storage?
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop that closed a while ago.
I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford
B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
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We recently picked up a plexiglass paintbrush display rack for this purpose (It was being tossed out by a local art supply store right at the time we were starting a major spoke-sorting project.)
- Michael
FreeRide Montpelier http://freeridemontpelier.org/
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:03 PM, Tom Bulten tom@oakdaleneighbors.org wrote:
I saw this spoke solution at New Hope Bike Co-op in Hamilton, ON, this summer: http://www.flickr.com/photos/58552649@N05/5446978954/. Tom Bulten Boston Square Community Bikes
Oakdale Neighbors 1260 Kalamazoo SE Grand Rapids, MI 49507 www.oakdaleneighbors.org 616-248-2848
From: Clifford McCarten [B!KE] director@communitybikeshop.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Mon, February 14, 2011 7:40:48 PM Subject: [TheThinkTank] Spoke storage?
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
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Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.orgwrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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Im shocked at some of the responses of folks. Im sure others can speak more clearly on this than i, but volunteers or patrons can not sign away rights to a safe workspace etc etc.
Your volunteers are your staff, and as such should be treated like they are in any other work place, rights and rules. Your patrons are the reason you are here. So to say that sorry your on your own for an injury is just poor planning.
I understand that part of this is budget planning for insurance etc, but to just say they are on there own is lame.
Patrick
www.StlBicycleWorks.Org
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:14:01 -0500 From: maryalice.walker@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.org wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them,
but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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These are difficult issues, and ones that should be discussed with a lawyer licensed in the state you operate in. My understanding is that liability waivers, at least in PA, are a good idea but cannot indemnify you or your organization against liability for neglect and similar things that put you at fault. Liability insurance is an essential tool to protect your volunteers from potential personal liability for things that may happen in that shop. It doesn't have to be very expensive or difficult to administer, and it guards against potential risks that could shut down an entire organization. I believe there is a resource list on the wiki to get you started making calls, but an insurance broker may have access to additional resources.
Stuart
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Maryalice Walker < maryalice.walker@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 <+16789073892> work. 404.635.6367 <+14046356367>
www.sopobikes.org
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Part_Storage
I have always loved Freeride's Wheel Sorter " http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shop_Organization#Wheel_..." mainly because it attacks the problem from a different angle. Instead of asking, how can we best store X part? It addresses the bigger issue and asks, "given that not all volunteers / customers know what they are doing and WILL putt things back in the wrong spot, how can we make it faster/easier to determine the right size X part from an unsorted mass?" So what is the fastest most efficient way to measure a pile of spokes as opposed to one at a time using a blue ruler ( http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Spoke)?
Personally I think the best solution is to NOT store spokes for reuse -- instead save up for a spoke cutter and just buy a stock of 310mm spokes and cut them down as you need them. Bend the old spokes into loops and use them to hang tags off the handlebars.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Kelly Martin kelly@bicyclekitchen.comwrote:
On Feb 14, 2011, at 4:40 PM, Clifford McCarten [B!KE] wrote:
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227
On 14/02/2011 7:34 PM, Jon Braswell wrote:
absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out , your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth, later dudes!!!
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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That's really nice-looking!
Kelly On Feb 14, 2011, at 5:13 PM, Alex Hindle wrote:
I made this thing which I call Spokeville (all our storage areas are
some sort of ville) for BikeWorks in Edmonton. It works pretty well.
It's basically just ABS piping cut to the length of the spoke and
mounted on a piece of plywood that sits in a milk carton. The beauty
of it is that because each individual tube is the length of the
spoke it stores its fairly easy to tell if the spoke is in the wrong
place.Alex
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 5:40 PM, Clifford McCarten [B!KE] <director@communitybikeshop.org
wrote:
Hey All, Does anyone have some innovative solutions to spoke sorting and
storage? Our "tape them together and toss them in the filing
cabinet" approach has always left a lot to be desired, compounded by
the fact that we just inherited a spoke collection from a pro shop
that closed a while ago. I'll take pictures, diagrams, and verbal descriptions! Thanks in a big way, Clifford B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 400 Wolfe St, Peterborough ON communitybikeshop.org (705) 775-7227On 14/02/2011 7:34 PM, Jon Braswell wrote:
absolutely not, people enter at there own risk, if you have to come
up with a waiver, come up with it, or if you start paying out ,
your admiting guilt and sopo's little world is in for a lot of
hurt, as smart and administratively correct as you guys are I
cannot believe you have not thought of this one, no good deed goes
unpunished, send them to Grady, You start paying, then prepare to
really pay...we live in a mean world and you never get to really
know someone till you meet them in court. be careful what you say
and do. Hey man I love sopo, just wanted to give my 2 cents worth,
later dudes!!!On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op <tito@sopobikes.org
wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting
injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to
the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have
insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced
this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical
expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is
there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of
reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such
things? any input would be much appreciated.tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing
affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:41 PM, <thethinktank-request@lists.bikecollectives.org
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover
for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you
now!Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus
has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they
lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have
borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of
various bike organizations.Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley
bicirider@gmail.com wrote:hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now
and then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a
quick
favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike
parking at
events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it
occurred to me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a
form of
outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges;
pretty rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this
on an
event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful
instances? Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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Hi there,
To clarify, we as a community center do have insurance to cover our volunteers. The waiver is a legal protection so that our staff do not get sued if someone gets a finger stuck in the spokes, e.g.
Maryalice
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Stuart O Anderson stuart@whispersys.comwrote:
These are difficult issues, and ones that should be discussed with a lawyer licensed in the state you operate in. My understanding is that liability waivers, at least in PA, are a good idea but cannot indemnify you or your organization against liability for neglect and similar things that put you at fault. Liability insurance is an essential tool to protect your volunteers from potential personal liability for things that may happen in that shop. It doesn't have to be very expensive or difficult to administer, and it guards against potential risks that could shut down an entire organization. I believe there is a resource list on the wiki to get you started making calls, but an insurance broker may have access to additional resources.
Stuart
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Maryalice Walker < maryalice.walker@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 <+16789073892> work. 404.635.6367 <+14046356367>
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a
quick
favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking
at
events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form
of
outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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Patrick, I am a volunteer and a good one if I say myself, I enter my community bicycle shop at my own risk, yes, liability is good, I have my own insurance, I am responsible for my own life, most people do not feel the way I do, My community bicycle is doing me the favor by taking the risk to open, I know that my shop is not a day care center and as a volunteer I know the shop I attend they do everything they can to insure my saftey, but as a volunteer if I am working on a bicycle for someone and get hurt or mamed, that is my fault for taking the risk, volunteers are what they are volunteers. were just guessing here on this kind of forum, tito call a lawyer dude, ignorance is no excuse. this is silly we are all giving personal opinions...But I do love my community and there directors and board member rock!!
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Patrick VDT fivespeed_@hotmail.comwrote:
Im shocked at some of the responses of folks. Im sure others can speak more clearly on this than i, but volunteers or patrons can not sign away rights to a safe workspace etc etc.
Your volunteers are your staff, and as such should be treated like they are in any other work place, rights and rules. Your patrons are the reason you are here. So to say that sorry your on your own for an injury is just poor planning.
I understand that part of this is budget planning for insurance etc, but to just say they are on there own is lame.
Patrick
www.StlBicycleWorks.Org http://www.stlbicycleworks.org/
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:14:01 -0500 From: maryalice.walker@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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- Re: bike valet question (Angel York)
- bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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I believe there is a resource list on the wiki to get you started making calls, but an insurance broker may have access to additional resources.
There is, you can find it here (though it could use some additional content):
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Insurance
Cheers, Dustin Neighborhood Bike Works Philadelphia, PA, USA
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 8:10 PM, Stuart O Anderson stuart@whispersys.com wrote:
These are difficult issues, and ones that should be discussed with a lawyer licensed in the state you operate in. My understanding is that liability waivers, at least in PA, are a good idea but cannot indemnify you or your organization against liability for neglect and similar things that put you at fault. Liability insurance is an essential tool to protect your volunteers from potential personal liability for things that may happen in that shop. It doesn't have to be very expensive or difficult to administer, and it guards against potential risks that could shut down an entire organization. I believe there is a resource list on the wiki to get you started making calls, but an insurance broker may have access to additional resources.
Stuart
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 7:14 AM, Maryalice Walker maryalice.walker@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.org wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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1. Re: bike valet question (Angel York) 2. bike valet question (CAT Director)
Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then), and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad). I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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It really has nothing to do if you are staff or a volunteer. To operate without insurance and coverage for your volunteers and staff in most states is illegal. The question comes down to what level of coverage you can afford to purchase.
The question was about cost and caps on per accident.
Bworks pays for our volunteers with our insurance if needed. We have only had one major event and a couple minor events over 22 years. About once a year we send a volunteer or kid to the hospital. We work on getting them to the treatment they need, then document as much as we can, review with a few people, and hope for the best.
So i could see if it was something that happened often it could hurt us financially.
But to say we should put the issue on the volunteers after handing them tools and putting them to work? Thats lame.
Patrick
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 18:50:52 -0500 From: bigjonbikes@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Patrick, I am a volunteer and a good one if I say myself, I enter my community bicycle shop at my own risk, yes, liability is good, I have my own insurance, I am responsible for my own life, most people do not feel the way I do, My community bicycle is doing me the favor by taking the risk to open, I know that my shop is not a day care center and as a volunteer I know the shop I attend they do everything they can to insure my saftey, but as a volunteer if I am working on a bicycle for someone and get hurt or mamed, that is my fault for taking the risk, volunteers are what they are volunteers. were just guessing here on this kind of forum, tito call a lawyer dude, ignorance is no excuse. this is silly we are all giving personal opinions...But I do love my community and there directors and board member rock!!
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 11:22 AM, Patrick VDT fivespeed_@hotmail.com wrote:
Im shocked at some of the responses of folks. Im sure others can speak more clearly on this than i, but volunteers or patrons can not sign away rights to a safe workspace etc etc.
Your volunteers are your staff, and as such should be treated like they are in any other work place, rights and rules.
Your patrons are the reason you are here. So to say that sorry your on your own for an injury is just poor planning.
I understand that part of this is budget planning for insurance etc, but to just say they are on there own is lame.
Patrick
www.StlBicycleWorks.Org
Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2011 10:14:01 -0500 From: maryalice.walker@gmail.com To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] injuries in shop
Hi Tito,
We ask that our volunteers sign a liability waiver so that we are not liable for any injuries sustained as a result of participation in the co-op.
Maryalice
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op tito@sopobikes.org wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
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By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them,
but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I currently get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances? Anyone combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
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On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Kevin Dwyer kevidwyer@gmail.com wrote:
Hi-
From both an ethical and legal perspective, you may be liable for such injuries. Additionally, there may be a statutory requirement with your state requiring that organizations such as yours render emergency assistance. You may also have insurance (umbrella, general liability, or premises liability) which may cover it. If you don't have this coverage, you should, as it is a cost of doing business and a way to manage these unpredictable expenses.
Regardless, an organization that does not see to prompt medical attention for a non-tresspasser injured on their premises is asking for trouble. Always encourage people to adopt a conservative attitude toward risk in these situations, by accommodating and encouraging all reasonable emergency care. With respect to emergency care, figure out how to pay for it later.
I am an attorney, but not your attorney. This email does not constitute an attorney-client relationship. If you need legal advice consult your state bar.
Kevin Dwyer Chairman-Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective Board of Directors
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:57 PM, tito @ sopo bike co-op < tito@sopobikes.org> wrote:
we recently faced the issue of one of our core volunteers getting injured in the shop. when the time came to decide about a trip to the hospital it became apparent that the person did not have insurance and could not afford the trip. have other shops faced this situation? do you (the shop) pay for or help pay for medical expenses. the trip would have run anywhere form $300 to $1000. is there a limit that folks have decided on? is it a process of reimbursement? do any shops have insurance that cover such things? any input would be much appreciated.
tito @ SOPO Bikes 1270 Caroline St NE Ste D120-392 Atlanta, GA 30307
cell. 678.907.3892 work. 404.635.6367
www.sopobikes.org
Our mission is to create equitable access to cycling by providing affordable bicycle maintenance, services and education.
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Message: 1 Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 23:38:01 -0800 From: Angel York aniola@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike valet question Message-ID: AANLkTikz7u8NZVC1+-=WDdCvOSQ00FR5GYd2cs7Vx075@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
By SC, do you mean Santa Cruz? Are you the fellow I used to cover for so you could go get vegetables sometimes? I'm glad they're paying you now!
Here in Davis, bike valet parking happens, but rarely. The campus has some lightweight racks and the city has some heavy-duty racks, and they lend 'em out. Both the Davis Bike Collective and Davis Bicycles! have borrowed them, but it's kind of an ordeal so they only come out for big occasions.
I think of Bike Valet Parking as a way to get folks aware of various bike organizations.
Angel York I hail from the Davis (California) Bike Collective
On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 12:21 PM, kyle mckinley bicirider@gmail.com wrote:
hi, all, It's been a while since I posted to this list (though I lurk now and
then),
and I missed seeing everyone at the last bike!bike!, but I have a quick favor to ask:
I'm helping write an article about bike valet services (bike parking at events that draw too many bikes to simply lock up) and it occurred to
me
that there are probably lots of folks/ projects doing this as a form of outreach that I don't know about.
Here in SC it is most reliable at the farmer's market (where I
currently
get paid to do it -- oogle bikes, chat w/ cyclists, eat veges; pretty
rad).
I know that the San Francisco Bike Coalition does a lot of this on an event-to-event basis.
Other places that you know about? Particularly successful instances?
Anyone
combining parking with wrenching?
Reply on or off list.
warmly, kyle
-- If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bici
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