Oh, gotcha...expressions of opinions different than your own will be responded to with name-calling...should we pull out a big tube of bike grease, stick some feathers on Victor and spit on him or something like that?
we might not all agree on the issue of "growing/mainstreaming/insert your fave word about it here" bike culture, but hey, this is a discussion list and you may not always agree with the opinions put out...if I recall correctly, this is how a discussion works - someone expresses an opinion, someone else expresses theirs.
If you don't like someone's point, enlighten us with yours, but it doesn't have to be hostile and certainly doesn't require name-calling.
By the way, if you are gonna go there and insult someone, at least have the nerve to sign your name to your email. wanda
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-----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of ronald ferrucci Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 6:01 AM To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Gross.
I would actually place a vote on Victor being an idiot, or at least a bit disingenous. His intial post was about "the commodification of bike culture" and capitalism. Nothing about safety and risk issues with flip-flop hubs. However, when called out on his elitist statement he tried to say his problem was with "popularizing flip-flop hubs without conscientious effort to explain the inherent risk in operation in the interest of (huge)profit." There of course was nothing in his intial post about this. Moreover, in his intial post he said he did not "know why" but that it "just made [him] puke a little." Either he is an idiot or he is being dishonest. Of course, I could be wrong about that and it his statement may have been misread, but one cannot blame Jonathan for reading a bit of elitism into the post. I do not see how Jonathan was making a generalization at all there, either. Victor, how do you know that UrbanOutfitters is "popularizing flip-flop hubs without conscientious effort to explain the inherent risk in operation in the interest of (huge)profit"? Is it just because they are a large corporation? I hate UrbanOutfitters as much as the next guy, but I would assume, as Jonathan pointed out, that they would make every effort to warn the consumer of any potential danger from the products they sell, even if only to protect them from liability. Yes, their main interest is in making a huge profit, and taking precautions from being sued is a part of making huge profits (or at least keeping more of the profits).
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 12:59 AM, joshua muir muirjoshua@gmail.com wrote:
hey- calling names is super uncool and Victor is no idiot.
cool it
josh
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 3:18 PM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
Victor,
you are an idiot.
"getting people on bikes"
what else do you want?
On Thu, Sep 10, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Fhar Miess fhartha@gmail.com wrote:
Also note this article from yesterday's NY Times:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/10/fashion/10bikes.html?_r=3&ref=style
Fhar
On Sep 10, 2009, at 1:04 PM, N.O.Bike Project wrote:
Hey y'all,
This isn't vital or on topic, unless you dig deep and start thinking about the commodification of bike culture, and the way that capitalism always seems to persevere. Just thought y'all would like to see what's
cool
these days.
I don't know why, but this just made me puke a little.
Enjoy.
http://bikes.urbanoutfitters.com/
Victor
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