Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
Check out the bike Metrofiets of Portland Oregon built last year that was presented in the LAB magazine about three months ago.
Andy Greif, Executive Director
Community Bicycle Center
Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford
Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005
207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)
www.communitybike.net
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"
From: thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of Sam Haraldson Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2011 4:34 PM To: The Think Tank Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
tool list
cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them)
booth, tent, other
other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks,
Sam
Recycle Bicycle Harrisburg, Pa - we started out being strictly mobile - trailer was cheap - recycled plywood and rubber roof added - no rent - no utilities - no building insurance - only $6 for a license and when being pulled - the car towing covers the insurance - I did a power point at BikeBike in Toronto last year - cannot find it but there are still older pics in the pic page of our web site www.recyclebicycle.info and if you need more pics, I can direct you to another web site that hosts thousands of pics of our rig in action.
Answers for Sam
tool list - 2 types of tool boxe (1) basic flat & brake repair for kids (2) more comprehensive tools for city & commuter bikers
cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - One volunteer is cargo bike oriented - but if you go into the projects - you need a trailer of parts
consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) Tubes some 12" &16" lots of 20"( 40 at some street carnivals and patch when we get home ) dozen 24" & 26" some 27" Tires 4-12" 4-16" 10- 20" 4-24" 4-26" 4-26" wheels (unfortunately people steal wheels because they have a flat) front & rear wheel of each size plus extra 20" cables housing and lots of brake parts - we never fix anything on a kid's bike until the brakes work - chains - grease and crankbearings - everything is recycled except for cables
what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them) - The trailer and the work is happening speaks louder than any banner - but banners are nice - we have safety handouts and contact info- plus a folding table
booth, tent, other 10x20 carport tent and some chairs
other issues I'm short-sighted on...----The mobile repair thru out the city is what build our credibility and probably why we now have a free building
Sam - call and we can discuss,
Ross Willard recyclebicycle@verizon.net 717-571-2008 cell
-----Check out the bike Metrofiets of Portland Oregon built last year that was presented in the LAB magazine about three months ago.
Andy Greif, Executive Director
Community Bicycle Center
Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford
Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005
207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)
www.communitybike.net
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
-Thanks,
Sam
Ross Willards Bike Bike presentation was extremely informative and inspiring! I would definitely give him a call.
the phrase you used during the presentation of, "Retired older men will be the wrenchers for your revolution", gets repeated around here a lot!
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Ross Willard - Recycle Bicycle < recyclebicycle@verizon.net> wrote:
Recycle Bicycle Harrisburg, Pa - we started out being strictly mobile - trailer was cheap - recycled plywood and rubber roof added - no rent - no utilities - no building insurance - only $6 for a license and when being pulled - the car towing covers the insurance - I did a power point at BikeBike in Toronto last year - cannot find it but there are still older pics in the pic page of our web site www.recyclebicycle.info and if you need more pics, I can direct you to another web site that hosts thousands of pics of our rig in action.
Answers for Sam *- tool list -* 2 types of tool boxe (1) basic flat & brake repair for kids (2) more comprehensive tools for city & commuter bikers
- *cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both* - One volunteer is cargo bike
oriented - but if you go into the projects - you need a trailer of parts
- *consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)* Tubes some 12"
&16" lots of 20"( 40 at some street carnivals and patch when we get home ) dozen 24" & 26" some 27" Tires 4-12" 4-16" 10- 20" 4-24" 4-26" 4-26" wheels (unfortunately people steal wheels because they have a flat) front & rear wheel of each size plus extra 20" cables housing and lots of brake parts - we never fix anything on a kid's bike until the brakes work - chains - grease and crankbearings - everything is recycled except for cables
-* what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)* - The trailer and the work is happening speaks louder than any banner - but banners are nice - we have safety handouts and contact info- plus a folding table
*booth, tent, other* 10x20 carport tent and some chairs
*other issues I'm short-sighted on...----*The mobile repair thru out the
city is what build our credibility and probably why we now have a free building
Sam - call and we can discuss,
Ross Willard recyclebicycle@verizon.net 717-571-2008 cell
-----Check out the bike Metrofiets of Portland Oregon built last year that was presented in the LAB magazine about three months ago.
*Andy Greif, Executive Director*
*Community** Bicycle Center*
*Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford*
*Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 *
*207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)*
*www.communitybike.net*
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
*"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"*
*Subject:* [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
-Thanks,
Sam
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What do you mean, "the car towing covers the insurance"?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Ross Willard - Recycle Bicycle < recyclebicycle@verizon.net> wrote:
Recycle Bicycle Harrisburg, Pa - we started out being strictly mobile - trailer was cheap - recycled plywood and rubber roof added - no rent - no utilities - no building insurance - only $6 for a license and when being pulled - the car towing covers the insurance - I did a power point at BikeBike in Toronto last year - cannot find it but there are still older pics in the pic page of our web site www.recyclebicycle.info and if you need more pics, I can direct you to another web site that hosts thousands of pics of our rig in action.
Answers for Sam *- tool list -* 2 types of tool boxe (1) basic flat & brake repair for kids (2) more comprehensive tools for city & commuter bikers
- *cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both* - One volunteer is cargo bike
oriented - but if you go into the projects - you need a trailer of parts
- *consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)* Tubes some 12"
&16" lots of 20"( 40 at some street carnivals and patch when we get home ) dozen 24" & 26" some 27" Tires 4-12" 4-16" 10- 20" 4-24" 4-26" 4-26" wheels (unfortunately people steal wheels because they have a flat) front & rear wheel of each size plus extra 20" cables housing and lots of brake parts - we never fix anything on a kid's bike until the brakes work - chains - grease and crankbearings - everything is recycled except for cables
-* what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)* - The trailer and the work is happening speaks louder than any banner - but banners are nice - we have safety handouts and contact info- plus a folding table
*booth, tent, other* 10x20 carport tent and some chairs
*other issues I'm short-sighted on...----*The mobile repair thru out the
city is what build our credibility and probably why we now have a free building
Sam - call and we can discuss,
Ross Willard recyclebicycle@verizon.net 717-571-2008 cell
-----Check out the bike Metrofiets of Portland Oregon built last year that was presented in the LAB magazine about three months ago.
*Andy Greif, Executive Director*
*Community** Bicycle Center*
*Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford*
*Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 *
*207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)*
*www.communitybike.net*
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
*"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"*
*Subject:* [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
-Thanks,
Sam
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quoted from web:
Many auto insurance policies also cover liability on your towed vehicle if an accident happens on the road. So, if you're towing a trailer and jackknife http://auto.howstuffworks.com/how-to-avoid-jackknifing.htm, your trailer would be covered under the *auto policy* of the vehicle you're driving -- you wouldn't need separate towing insurance for the trailer. But not all auto policies cover this. Some policies only partially cover trailers. To be sure, check your policy's fine print. If you have questions about your policy, call your insurance company.
If it turns out that certain aspects aren't covered, like physical damage, you may want to buy an insurance policy that will cover all of these things. Companies that specialize in recreational vehicle (RV) insurance often provide insurance for trailers as well. For instance, damage due to things like fire and flooding that may occur while the trailer is in storage can be covered by *trailer insurance*. A policy may even cover the cost of staying in a hotel if damage to your trailer makes it unlivable. If something happens to your trailer while it's on your property, the costs may be covered in your *homeowner's insurance*, but you should check this as well.
Your best bet obviously would be to talk to the insurance company that the primary driver of the car that would be pulling your trailer is under. if it is a full on bike trailer..... i dunno?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 7:52 PM, Chris Chan chris.chan@edmontonbikes.cawrote:
What do you mean, "the car towing covers the insurance"?
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 5:32 PM, Ross Willard - Recycle Bicycle < recyclebicycle@verizon.net> wrote:
Recycle Bicycle Harrisburg, Pa - we started out being strictly mobile - trailer was cheap - recycled plywood and rubber roof added - no rent - no utilities - no building insurance - only $6 for a license and when being pulled - the car towing covers the insurance - I did a power point at BikeBike in Toronto last year - cannot find it but there are still older pics in the pic page of our web site www.recyclebicycle.info and if you need more pics, I can direct you to another web site that hosts thousands of pics of our rig in action.
Answers for Sam *- tool list -* 2 types of tool boxe (1) basic flat & brake repair for kids (2) more comprehensive tools for city & commuter bikers
- *cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both* - One volunteer is cargo bike
oriented - but if you go into the projects - you need a trailer of parts
- *consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)* Tubes some 12"
&16" lots of 20"( 40 at some street carnivals and patch when we get home ) dozen 24" & 26" some 27" Tires 4-12" 4-16" 10- 20" 4-24" 4-26" 4-26" wheels (unfortunately people steal wheels because they have a flat) front & rear wheel of each size plus extra 20" cables housing and lots of brake parts - we never fix anything on a kid's bike until the brakes work - chains - grease and crankbearings - everything is recycled except for cables
-* what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)* - The trailer and the work is happening speaks louder than any banner - but banners are nice - we have safety handouts and contact info- plus a folding table
*booth, tent, other* 10x20 carport tent and some chairs
*other issues I'm short-sighted on...----*The mobile repair thru out
the city is what build our credibility and probably why we now have a free building
Sam - call and we can discuss,
Ross Willard recyclebicycle@verizon.net 717-571-2008 cell
-----Check out the bike Metrofiets of Portland Oregon built last year that was presented in the LAB magazine about three months ago.
*Andy Greif, Executive Director*
*Community** Bicycle Center*
*Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford*
*Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 *
*207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)*
*www.communitybike.net*
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
*"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"*
*Subject:* [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
-Thanks,
Sam
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Andy, I believe LAB article you were referring to highlighted this bicycle which I found via the Metrofiets site:
http://bikeportland.org/2010/10/22/metrofiets-does-it-again-with-the-mobile-...
And Ross, thank you for the explicit breakdown of tools used in your operation.
I will post more regarding our gear and bicycle choices in the coming weeks.
- Sam
Below is my response to a similar query a few months ago. To that response I will add:
If we need to use one trailer (if there's only one person available to haul), we eliminate one of the tables and one or both canopies.
tool list: pretty much everything, we fill up three large tool boxes, two with three drawers and top shelf each, we keep the tool boxes on a plastic folding table.
cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - I like trailers because they're stable and cheaper, if there's a mechanical problem you can switch bikes. Trailers are not as attractive as the cargo bike in the LAB article, though, or this one: http://www.preenbulle.ch/26/v%C3%A9lomobile (dowload the actives_mobiles.pdf)
consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - all we bring are tubes, cables, housing, some rim tape, brake pads, small parts drawers, chains, ball bearings... we aren't really able to carry wheels or tires. Actually, we could probably get some tires on there.
what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them) - we have a plastic waterproof file box that we carry our email list signup sheets, flyers, brochures, donation jar, stickers, spoke cards, buncha stuff... a lot of this goes out on a table.
booth, tent, other - two 12x12 ezups and two folding tables (plastic ones are lighter than particle board)
other issues I'm short-sighted on... getting people to haul the trailers or bikes can be a bit tricky sometimes, because they have to be there earliest and stay latest.
We're mobile, looking to establish ourselves in a building, but mobile for now. We use two medium Bikes At Work trailers to haul everything - three big tool boxes (two with drawers), two canopies, two folding tables, truing stand, three folding repair stands, two 18-gallon tubs (holding small parts drawers, cables, housing, tubes, etc.), two collapsible chairs, 2-gallon container for lubes and cleaners, two pumps, banner, lil' trash can, file box for flyers, brochures, paperwork, etc.
Advantages: -You can keep stuff on the trailers so you don't need to unload/reload at home base. -Bikes are fun and make you look cool -No rent, no gas -Easier to store and manage than a truck trailer - I think you need special registration for those.
Challenges: -Subject to weather (not a big problem in Southern California) -You need commitment from two riders to get there and back. We have done events doing bike checks/minor repairs with more limited stuff using one trailer. One long trailer probably too much weight for one rider (unless they are herculean and equipped with disc brakes), given the density of everything. -Takes about 45 min to 1 hour for set up and break down -Very limited parts on hand -We've only done 10 mi round trip (on primarily flat ground), I'd say 20-30 mi round trip is probably pushing it for everyone but the really strong riders, hills can be a bit difficult. We did river trail underpasses just fine, though control may be a little iffy at these higher speeds should an obstacle present itself. -Bungeeing everything in place requires a little tetris (the first time) and time. You need a lot of bungees - I think we use at least 15.
Other advice: -Make sure the bikes have good brakes.
Bikes At Work specific: -If the load balance is heavy toward the front (which may be required by how things must be arranged) and you rest the towbar on the ground it bends a bit so it wont fit on the trailer hitch and needs to be filed down (this problem mitigated in a half-assed way by sliding an old bottle cage on the towbar so that contacts the ground). -Trailer hitch band clamps come loose over time. -The wheels are held on by what looks like a paper clip on steroids, doesn't particularly inspire my confidence with potential sideways forces but its worked fine and the makers are experienced using the trailers so I guess don't worry about it.
One photo of our trailers is on our website at www.thebicycletree.org Bikes At Work: www.bikesatwork.com
Good luck!
-Paul Nagel
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:09:16 -0600 From: jonathan@slcbikecollective.org To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile shops
Does anyone have a proven working (not conceptual) mobile shop operation? We are going to be partnering with a local college, and while we have done this in the past, I was looking for some creative ideas on others have made it work.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
tool list- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)
booth, tent, other- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks,Sam
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i had an idea for the toolsets used for mobile bike clinics that we never had a chance to implement. perhaps one of you will.
there's always the issue of how to make sure you've got all the tools for the clinic (both at prep time at the shop/storage area and after the clinic is done, and it's time to roll up and out of there.
a list of tools, even/especially one with photos and names of tools, is a little daunting for a new volunteer, less than fluent-in-bike-mechanic-lingo youth, or someone who doesn't speak the same language as you.
what if the tools were all etched with numbers? you figure out your ultimate tool list first. figure out how many 15mm's you need, how many 6mm hexes, etc. then, line up all the tools and start at 1 and number them sequentially.
when it's time to prep or tear down, you know that the kit has 72 tools. anyone who can read numbers can help gather tools. even if they don't know numbers, they can help gather tools in one area, and someone else can count the tools as they go into the box/trailer.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, The Bicycle Tree info@thebicycletree.orgwrote:
Below is my response to a similar query a few months ago. To that response I will add:
If we need to use one trailer (if there's only one person available to haul), we eliminate one of the tables and one or both canopies.
- tool list: pretty much everything, we fill up three large tool boxes, two
with three drawers and top shelf each, we keep the tool boxes on a plastic folding table.
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - I like trailers because they're stable
and cheaper, if there's a mechanical problem you can switch bikes. Trailers are not as attractive as the cargo bike in the LAB article, though, or this one: http://www.preenbulle.ch/26/v%C3%A9lomobile (dowload the actives_mobiles.pdf)
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - all we bring are
tubes, cables, housing, some rim tape, brake pads, small parts drawers, chains, ball bearings... we aren't really able to carry wheels or tires. Actually, we could probably get some tires on there.
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them) - we have a plastic waterproof file box that we carry our email list signup sheets, flyers, brochures, donation jar, stickers, spoke cards, buncha stuff... a lot of this goes out on a table.
- booth, tent, other - two 12x12 ezups and two folding tables (plastic
ones are lighter than particle board)
- other issues I'm short-sighted on... getting people to haul the trailers
or bikes can be a bit tricky sometimes, because they have to be there earliest and stay latest.
We're mobile, looking to establish ourselves in a building, but mobile for now. We use two medium Bikes At Work trailers to haul everything - three big tool boxes (two with drawers), two canopies, two folding tables, truing stand, three folding repair stands, two 18-gallon tubs (holding small parts drawers, cables, housing, tubes, etc.), two collapsible chairs, 2-gallon container for lubes and cleaners, two pumps, banner, lil' trash can, file box for flyers, brochures, paperwork, etc.
Advantages: -You can keep stuff on the trailers so you don't need to unload/reload at home base. -Bikes are fun and make you look cool -No rent, no gas -Easier to store and manage than a truck trailer - I think you need special registration for those.
Challenges: -Subject to weather (not a big problem in Southern California) -You need commitment from two riders to get there and back. We have done events doing bike checks/minor repairs with more limited stuff using one trailer. One long trailer probably too much weight for one rider (unless they are herculean and equipped with disc brakes), given the density of everything. -Takes about 45 min to 1 hour for set up and break down -Very limited parts on hand -We've only done 10 mi round trip (on primarily flat ground), I'd say 20-30 mi round trip is probably pushing it for everyone but the really strong riders, hills can be a bit difficult. We did river trail underpasses just fine, though control may be a little iffy at these higher speeds should an obstacle present itself. -Bungeeing everything in place requires a little tetris (the first time) and time. You need a lot of bungees - I think we use at least 15.
Other advice: -Make sure the bikes have good brakes.
Bikes At Work specific: -If the load balance is heavy toward the front (which may be required by how things must be arranged) and you rest the towbar on the ground it bends a bit so it wont fit on the trailer hitch and needs to be filed down (this problem mitigated in a half-assed way by sliding an old bottle cage on the towbar so that contacts the ground). -Trailer hitch band clamps come loose over time. -The wheels are held on by what looks like a paper clip on steroids, doesn't particularly inspire my confidence with potential sideways forces but its worked fine and the makers are experienced using the trailers so I guess don't worry about it.
One photo of our trailers is on our website at www.thebicycletree.org Bikes At Work: www.bikesatwork.com
Good luck!
-Paul Nagel
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:09:16 -0600 From: jonathan@slcbikecollective.org To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile shops
Does anyone have a proven working (not conceptual) mobile shop operation? We are going to be partnering with a local college, and while we have done this in the past, I was looking for some creative ideas on others have made it work.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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I converted a three wheeled push childs scooter to a mobile bike recovery/repair trailer It converts from a carrier to a repair stand, wheel holder is also truing stand, I am able to climb any hills tri-chain ring backed with a nine speed 34-11.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
i had an idea for the toolsets used for mobile bike clinics that we never had a chance to implement. perhaps one of you will.
there's always the issue of how to make sure you've got all the tools for the clinic (both at prep time at the shop/storage area and after the clinic is done, and it's time to roll up and out of there.
a list of tools, even/especially one with photos and names of tools, is a little daunting for a new volunteer, less than fluent-in-bike-mechanic-lingo youth, or someone who doesn't speak the same language as you.
what if the tools were all etched with numbers? you figure out your ultimate tool list first. figure out how many 15mm's you need, how many 6mm hexes, etc. then, line up all the tools and start at 1 and number them sequentially.
when it's time to prep or tear down, you know that the kit has 72 tools. anyone who can read numbers can help gather tools. even if they don't know numbers, they can help gather tools in one area, and someone else can count the tools as they go into the box/trailer.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, The Bicycle Tree < info@thebicycletree.org> wrote:
Below is my response to a similar query a few months ago. To that response I will add:
If we need to use one trailer (if there's only one person available to haul), we eliminate one of the tables and one or both canopies.
- tool list: pretty much everything, we fill up three large tool boxes,
two with three drawers and top shelf each, we keep the tool boxes on a plastic folding table.
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - I like trailers because they're stable
and cheaper, if there's a mechanical problem you can switch bikes. Trailers are not as attractive as the cargo bike in the LAB article, though, or this one: http://www.preenbulle.ch/26/v%C3%A9lomobile (dowload the actives_mobiles.pdf)
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - all we bring are
tubes, cables, housing, some rim tape, brake pads, small parts drawers, chains, ball bearings... we aren't really able to carry wheels or tires. Actually, we could probably get some tires on there.
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them) - we have a plastic waterproof file box that we carry our email list signup sheets, flyers, brochures, donation jar, stickers, spoke cards, buncha stuff... a lot of this goes out on a table.
- booth, tent, other - two 12x12 ezups and two folding tables (plastic
ones are lighter than particle board)
- other issues I'm short-sighted on... getting people to haul the trailers
or bikes can be a bit tricky sometimes, because they have to be there earliest and stay latest.
We're mobile, looking to establish ourselves in a building, but mobile for now. We use two medium Bikes At Work trailers to haul everything - three big tool boxes (two with drawers), two canopies, two folding tables, truing stand, three folding repair stands, two 18-gallon tubs (holding small parts drawers, cables, housing, tubes, etc.), two collapsible chairs, 2-gallon container for lubes and cleaners, two pumps, banner, lil' trash can, file box for flyers, brochures, paperwork, etc.
Advantages: -You can keep stuff on the trailers so you don't need to unload/reload at home base. -Bikes are fun and make you look cool -No rent, no gas -Easier to store and manage than a truck trailer - I think you need special registration for those.
Challenges: -Subject to weather (not a big problem in Southern California) -You need commitment from two riders to get there and back. We have done events doing bike checks/minor repairs with more limited stuff using one trailer. One long trailer probably too much weight for one rider (unless they are herculean and equipped with disc brakes), given the density of everything. -Takes about 45 min to 1 hour for set up and break down -Very limited parts on hand -We've only done 10 mi round trip (on primarily flat ground), I'd say 20-30 mi round trip is probably pushing it for everyone but the really strong riders, hills can be a bit difficult. We did river trail underpasses just fine, though control may be a little iffy at these higher speeds should an obstacle present itself. -Bungeeing everything in place requires a little tetris (the first time) and time. You need a lot of bungees - I think we use at least 15.
Other advice: -Make sure the bikes have good brakes.
Bikes At Work specific: -If the load balance is heavy toward the front (which may be required by how things must be arranged) and you rest the towbar on the ground it bends a bit so it wont fit on the trailer hitch and needs to be filed down (this problem mitigated in a half-assed way by sliding an old bottle cage on the towbar so that contacts the ground). -Trailer hitch band clamps come loose over time. -The wheels are held on by what looks like a paper clip on steroids, doesn't particularly inspire my confidence with potential sideways forces but its worked fine and the makers are experienced using the trailers so I guess don't worry about it.
One photo of our trailers is on our website at www.thebicycletree.org Bikes At Work: www.bikesatwork.com
Good luck!
-Paul Nagel
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:09:16 -0600 From: jonathan@slcbikecollective.org To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile shops
Does anyone have a proven working (not conceptual) mobile shop operation? We are going to be partnering with a local college, and while we have done this in the past, I was looking for some creative ideas on others have made it work.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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I converted a three wheeled push childs scooter to a mobile bike recovery/repair trailer
Eric,
That is a beautiful example. The lengthy trailer capable of carrying a bicycle via the attached fork and rear tire mounts is superb. I presume the device holding wheel from the bicycle is also used as a truing stand?
- Sam
when i was doing some mobile repair with our cargo bikes i found that the best thing to have with me were completed/working bike parts. Things like front/rear brakes, wheels with matching tires/tubes, brake levers, that kind of stuff. In most cases mobile repair can be a lot more hectic than in shop repair and you can get swarmed really quick. Sometimes it is best to replace a whole brake unit and keep the one that needs a few odds and ends to recycle and fix back at the shop.
for instance, a brake with a missing spring or no brake pads is something that can be difficult to fix mobile just because you might not/probably will not having thought to bring things like springs and a bunch of different break pads in order to math their brake. It is quicker to just have a box of completed brake assemblies to either have springs handy without ever having to think about needing a spring, or to just swap out the broken one.
It also seems like your location, and where your mobile clinic will be going will greatly effect what you need to bring to be able to handle demand. For example, the farmers market seems to garner quite a bit of road/commuter bikes (drop bars/700) where as urban mobile repair brings it a lot of bmx and children. obvious to see the part/tech differences between the two. I don't think i ever needed to put a brand new brake on at a farmers market but in urban areas i think i couldn't have enough of them.
ryan
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net wrote:
I converted a three wheeled push childs scooter to a mobile bike recovery/repair trailer
Eric,
That is a beautiful example. The lengthy trailer capable of carrying a bicycle via the attached fork and rear tire mounts is superb. I presume the device holding wheel from the bicycle is also used as a truing stand?
- Sam
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At Community Cycles our program is called Rolling Bike Clinics. The mobile shop is human powered and carried on bike trailers pulled by volunteers to the neighborhoods we work in. Last year we did 14 within as 4 mile radius of the shop. http://communitycycles.org/programs/rolling-bike-clinics.html
Here is our supplies list, budget and volunteer requirements https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As-z5dKg47bqcHBSbk9jNkxYTkNCV0R5cVp...
This video has a segment of an RBC in action. http://communitycycles.org/media/275-life-of-community-cycles.html?catid=46%...
Ride On! Rich
On 4/8/2011 4:01 AM, Eric Montgomery wrote:
I converted a three wheeled push childs scooter to a mobile bike recovery/repair trailer It converts from a carrier to a repair stand, wheel holder is also truing stand, I am able to climb any hills tri-chain ring backed with a nine speed 34-11.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM, <veganboyjosh@gmail.com mailto:veganboyjosh@gmail.com> wrote:
i had an idea for the toolsets used for mobile bike clinics that we never had a chance to implement. perhaps one of you will. there's always the issue of how to make sure you've got all the tools for the clinic (both at prep time at the shop/storage area and after the clinic is done, and it's time to roll up and out of there. a list of tools, even/especially one with photos and names of tools, is a little daunting for a new volunteer, less than fluent-in-bike-mechanic-lingo youth, or someone who doesn't speak the same language as you. what if the tools were all etched with numbers? you figure out your ultimate tool list first. figure out how many 15mm's you need, how many 6mm hexes, etc. then, line up all the tools and start at 1 and number them sequentially. when it's time to prep or tear down, you know that the kit has 72 tools. anyone who can read numbers can help gather tools. even if they don't know numbers, they can help gather tools in one area, and someone else can count the tools as they go into the box/trailer. On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, The Bicycle Tree <info@thebicycletree.org <mailto:info@thebicycletree.org>> wrote: Below is my response to a similar query a few months ago. To that response I will add: If we need to use one trailer (if there's only one person available to haul), we eliminate one of the tables and one or both canopies. - tool list: pretty much everything, we fill up three large tool boxes, two with three drawers and top shelf each, we keep the tool boxes on a plastic folding table. - cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - I like trailers because they're stable and cheaper, if there's a mechanical problem you can switch bikes. Trailers are not as attractive as the cargo bike in the LAB article, though, or this one: http://www.preenbulle.ch/26/v%C3%A9lomobile (dowload the actives_mobiles.pdf) - consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - all we bring are tubes, cables, housing, some rim tape, brake pads, small parts drawers, chains, ball bearings... we aren't really able to carry wheels or tires. Actually, we could probably get some tires on there. - what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them) - we have a plastic waterproof file box that we carry our email list signup sheets, flyers, brochures, donation jar, stickers, spoke cards, buncha stuff... a lot of this goes out on a table. - booth, tent, other - two 12x12 ezups and two folding tables (plastic ones are lighter than particle board) - other issues I'm short-sighted on... getting people to haul the trailers or bikes can be a bit tricky sometimes, because they have to be there earliest and stay latest. We're mobile, looking to establish ourselves in a building, but mobile for now. We use two medium Bikes At Work trailers to haul everything - three big tool boxes (two with drawers), two canopies, two folding tables, truing stand, three folding repair stands, two 18-gallon tubs (holding small parts drawers, cables, housing, tubes, etc.), two collapsible chairs, 2-gallon container for lubes and cleaners, two pumps, banner, lil' trash can, file box for flyers, brochures, paperwork, etc. Advantages: -You can keep stuff on the trailers so you don't need to unload/reload at home base. -Bikes are fun and make you look cool -No rent, no gas -Easier to store and manage than a truck trailer - I think you need special registration for those. Challenges: -Subject to weather (not a big problem in Southern California) -You need commitment from two riders to get there and back. We have done events doing bike checks/minor repairs with more limited stuff using one trailer. One long trailer probably too much weight for one rider (unless they are herculean and equipped with disc brakes), given the density of everything. -Takes about 45 min to 1 hour for set up and break down -Very limited parts on hand -We've only done 10 mi round trip (on primarily flat ground), I'd say 20-30 mi round trip is probably pushing it for everyone but the really strong riders, hills can be a bit difficult. We did river trail underpasses just fine, though control may be a little iffy at these higher speeds should an obstacle present itself. -Bungeeing everything in place requires a little tetris (the first time) and time. You need a lot of bungees - I think we use at least 15. Other advice: -Make sure the bikes have good brakes. Bikes At Work specific: -If the load balance is heavy toward the front (which may be required by how things must be arranged) and you rest the towbar on the ground it bends a bit so it wont fit on the trailer hitch and needs to be filed down (this problem mitigated in a half-assed way by sliding an old bottle cage on the towbar so that contacts the ground). -Trailer hitch band clamps come loose over time. -The wheels are held on by what looks like a paper clip on steroids, doesn't particularly inspire my confidence with potential sideways forces but its worked fine and the makers are experienced using the trailers so I guess don't worry about it. One photo of our trailers is on our website at www.thebicycletree.org <http://www.thebicycletree.org/> Bikes At Work: www.bikesatwork.com <http://www.bikesatwork.com/> Good luck! -Paul Nagel The Bicycle Tree P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856 http://www.thebicycletree.org <http://www.thebicycletree.org/> info@thebicycletree.org <mailto:info@thebicycletree.org> > Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:09:16 -0600 > From: jonathan@slcbikecollective.org <mailto:jonathan@slcbikecollective.org> > To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@bikecollectives.org> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile shops > > Does anyone have a proven working (not conceptual) mobile shop > operation? We are going to be partnering with a local college, and > while we have done this in the past, I was looking for some creative > ideas on others have made it work. > > Sincerely, > > Jonathan Morrison > Executive Director > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > 2312 S. West Temple > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > w: 801-328-2453 <tel:801-328-2453> > c: 801-688-0183 <tel:801-688-0183> > f: 801-466-3856 <tel:801-466-3856> > www.slcbikecollective.org <http://www.slcbikecollective.org/> > > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote > cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as > a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle > Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to > the community, focusing on children and lower income households. The Bicycle Tree P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856 http://www.thebicycletree.org <http://www.thebicycletree.org/> info@thebicycletree.org <mailto:info@thebicycletree.org> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: samh@samh.net <mailto:samh@samh.net> Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org <mailto:thethinktank@bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up. - tool list - cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them) - booth, tent, other - other issues I'm short-sighted on... 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At the Durham Bike Co-op we built a prototype mobile clinic out of plywood and 2x4s, where the tool/parts cabinet fits underneath the table in transport. All of this was designed to fit in an Aesom bike trailer. We used it maybe 3 or 4 times and decided to scrap the design in favor of a more portable model, that uses the trailer on its side as a table base, and will incorporate a tool cabinet made of lighter plastic, like built out of an old hardshell suitcase. Or alternatively, an already purchased toolbox like used by contractors and construction.
Our goal is for the trailer to not weigh more than 80-90 lb, loaded. We ran into problems with the previous design, trailering it up the hills around Durham. Even with a touring bike, I struggled in the small chainring, because that thing might have weighed in excess of 130 lb.
It still needs to come to reality before our big Earth Day event coming up May 1.
Best, Leslie
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 10:42 AM, R Points poster@richpoints.com wrote:
At Community Cycles our program is called Rolling Bike Clinics. The mobile shop is human powered and carried on bike trailers pulled by volunteers to the neighborhoods we work in. Last year we did 14 within as 4 mile radius of the shop. http://communitycycles.org/programs/rolling-bike-clinics.html
Here is our supplies list, budget and volunteer requirements
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0As-z5dKg47bqcHBSbk9jNkxYTkNCV0R5cVp...
This video has a segment of an RBC in action.
http://communitycycles.org/media/275-life-of-community-cycles.html?catid=46%...
Ride On! Rich
On 4/8/2011 4:01 AM, Eric Montgomery wrote:
I converted a three wheeled push childs scooter to a mobile bike recovery/repair trailer It converts from a carrier to a repair stand, wheel holder is also truing stand, I am able to climb any hills tri-chain ring backed with a nine speed 34-11.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 8:20 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
i had an idea for the toolsets used for mobile bike clinics that we never had a chance to implement. perhaps one of you will.
there's always the issue of how to make sure you've got all the tools for the clinic (both at prep time at the shop/storage area and after the clinic is done, and it's time to roll up and out of there.
a list of tools, even/especially one with photos and names of tools, is a little daunting for a new volunteer, less than fluent-in-bike-mechanic-lingo youth, or someone who doesn't speak the same language as you.
what if the tools were all etched with numbers? you figure out your ultimate tool list first. figure out how many 15mm's you need, how many 6mm hexes, etc. then, line up all the tools and start at 1 and number them sequentially.
when it's time to prep or tear down, you know that the kit has 72 tools. anyone who can read numbers can help gather tools. even if they don't know numbers, they can help gather tools in one area, and someone else can count the tools as they go into the box/trailer.
On Thu, Apr 7, 2011 at 6:15 PM, The Bicycle Tree < info@thebicycletree.org> wrote:
Below is my response to a similar query a few months ago. To that response I will add:
If we need to use one trailer (if there's only one person available to haul), we eliminate one of the tables and one or both canopies.
- tool list: pretty much everything, we fill up three large tool boxes,
two with three drawers and top shelf each, we keep the tool boxes on a plastic folding table.
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - I like trailers because they're
stable and cheaper, if there's a mechanical problem you can switch bikes. Trailers are not as attractive as the cargo bike in the LAB article, though, or this one: http://www.preenbulle.ch/26/v%C3%A9lomobile (dowload the actives_mobiles.pdf)
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - all we bring are
tubes, cables, housing, some rim tape, brake pads, small parts drawers, chains, ball bearings... we aren't really able to carry wheels or tires. Actually, we could probably get some tires on there.
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how
to carry them) - we have a plastic waterproof file box that we carry our email list signup sheets, flyers, brochures, donation jar, stickers, spoke cards, buncha stuff... a lot of this goes out on a table.
- booth, tent, other - two 12x12 ezups and two folding tables (plastic
ones are lighter than particle board)
- other issues I'm short-sighted on... getting people to haul the
trailers or bikes can be a bit tricky sometimes, because they have to be there earliest and stay latest.
We're mobile, looking to establish ourselves in a building, but mobile for now. We use two medium Bikes At Work trailers to haul everything - three big tool boxes (two with drawers), two canopies, two folding tables, truing stand, three folding repair stands, two 18-gallon tubs (holding small parts drawers, cables, housing, tubes, etc.), two collapsible chairs, 2-gallon container for lubes and cleaners, two pumps, banner, lil' trash can, file box for flyers, brochures, paperwork, etc.
Advantages: -You can keep stuff on the trailers so you don't need to unload/reload at home base. -Bikes are fun and make you look cool -No rent, no gas -Easier to store and manage than a truck trailer - I think you need special registration for those.
Challenges: -Subject to weather (not a big problem in Southern California) -You need commitment from two riders to get there and back. We have done events doing bike checks/minor repairs with more limited stuff using one trailer. One long trailer probably too much weight for one rider (unless they are herculean and equipped with disc brakes), given the density of everything. -Takes about 45 min to 1 hour for set up and break down -Very limited parts on hand -We've only done 10 mi round trip (on primarily flat ground), I'd say 20-30 mi round trip is probably pushing it for everyone but the really strong riders, hills can be a bit difficult. We did river trail underpasses just fine, though control may be a little iffy at these higher speeds should an obstacle present itself. -Bungeeing everything in place requires a little tetris (the first time) and time. You need a lot of bungees - I think we use at least 15.
Other advice: -Make sure the bikes have good brakes.
Bikes At Work specific: -If the load balance is heavy toward the front (which may be required by how things must be arranged) and you rest the towbar on the ground it bends a bit so it wont fit on the trailer hitch and needs to be filed down (this problem mitigated in a half-assed way by sliding an old bottle cage on the towbar so that contacts the ground). -Trailer hitch band clamps come loose over time. -The wheels are held on by what looks like a paper clip on steroids, doesn't particularly inspire my confidence with potential sideways forces but its worked fine and the makers are experienced using the trailers so I guess don't worry about it.
One photo of our trailers is on our website at www.thebicycletree.org Bikes At Work: www.bikesatwork.com
Good luck!
-Paul Nagel
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 10:09:16 -0600 From: jonathan@slcbikecollective.org To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile shops
Does anyone have a proven working (not conceptual) mobile shop operation? We are going to be partnering with a local college, and while we have done this in the past, I was looking for some creative ideas on others have made it work.
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how
to carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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I meant to add that the May issue of Bicycling magazine has a section on cargo bikes, including the Bikes at Work trailer and the Cetma Cargo Margo that I think is the basis for the mobile bike shop in the LAB article.
-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
tool list- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)
booth, tent, other- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks,Sam
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The Spring issue of Bicycle Quarterly also had stories about cargo bikes, a DIY rack, trailers and a road test of the Surly Big Dummy.
Eric bike COOP Lurker
On 4/9/11 1:06 PM, The Bicycle Tree wrote:
I meant to add that the May issue of Bicycling magazine has a section on cargo bikes, including the Bikes at Work trailer and the Cetma Cargo Margo that I think is the basis for the mobile bike shop in the LAB article.
-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and
how to carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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We are fortunate to have just received funding to have Metrofiets build us a bike similar to the Metrofiets bike described in the LAB magazine. Attached is our first pass of things to consider to have with the bike that we are thinking through as we design the workbench/box system.
Andy Greif, Executive Director
Community Bicycle Center
Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford
Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005
207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell)
www.communitybike.net
http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com
http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"
From: thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of The Bicycle Tree Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:06 PM To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org; thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I meant to add that the May issue of Bicycling magazine has a section on cargo bikes, including the Bikes at Work trailer and the Cetma Cargo Margo that I think is the basis for the mobile bike shop in the LAB article.
-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
tool list
cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to
carry them)
booth, tent, other
other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks,
Sam
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Andy,
That's a great list! Out of curiousity (it's the never-ending quest
of WHERE to look for funds,) from whom did you receive funding?
Thanks,
Kelly On Apr 14, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Andy Greif wrote:
We are fortunate to have just received funding to have Metrofiets
build us a bike similar to the Metrofiets bike described in the LAB
magazine. Attached is our first pass of things to consider to have
with the bike that we are thinking through as we design the
workbench/box system.Andy Greif, Executive Director Community Bicycle Center Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell) www.communitybike.net http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts
"Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"
From: thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org ] On Behalf Of The Bicycle Tree Sent: Saturday, April 09, 2011 1:06 PM To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org; thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I meant to add that the May issue of Bicycling magazine has a
section on cargo bikes, including the Bikes at Work trailer and the
Cetma Cargo Margo that I think is the basis for the mobile bike shop
in the LAB article.-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
From: samh@samh.net Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2011 14:34:08 -0600 To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other
cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike
Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two
weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile
rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and
how to carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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I have been thinking about this a lot lately also.
The frustration of having several big bins of fliers and info, tools, small parts and art supplies we are constantly struggling to organize and reorganize every time we do an event which is quite often, has led me to take an interest in figuring out a better way to do it.
I recently purchased the Fat Max tool box for about $70. We have used it for two events this past weekend and so far and it seems surprisingly sturdy and is in fact made in the USA. I have set it up so that our tabling info (fliers, brochures, etc.) is in the bottom. The middle is separated into compartments making it easy to store tubes, chains cables, patch kits, etc. Then on top is your classic big open tool box with removable lid that is large enough to store most tools, rags and lube needed to do many on site repairs. It also has built in wheels and handle for easy moving and the whole thing slides open for complete access. The top is sturdy enough to hold the tool tray and some parts when open. The tool box itself is pretty light and I have turned it on its side and every thing stays pretty well in its place. I have not tried it on my bob trailer yet but look forward to doing so.
The other problem is hauling the pop up tent, tables, stands and anything else we may need. I also want something that on top of being extremely functional will look awesome and attract everyone's attention. The Metrofeit mobile bike station is incredible and inspiring but may be a little daunting for most of us to create. This is a all in one bike trailer display that I found to be a little more DIY friendly and still has all the necessities. Anybody else seen anything similar to this?
Has anyone had any experience with the Mobile Park Tool suit case vs. the Padros tool case?
We have 3 things that we normally do at tabling events...
Attend an event as a way to get the word out about what we do and the services available. For this we bring 10 x10 pop up tent, 6' folding table, large banner, chairs our brochures, upcoming classes and event info, sign up sheets for mailing list, one of those clear plastic boxes with dividers for a bunch of different stickers, merchandize (bottle cap magnets, coozies, bells, etc.) a little container with office supplies like pens, rubber bands, zip ties, string,tape, etc. Other bike info, Tucson bike maps, safety info.
We have all the above but also offer free bike check ups and repairs. For this we bring all the above but include a big free bike check ups sign,
all tools needed for most repairs and adjustments. lube, rags, aprons, cleaner, bike stand, spare tubes, cables, chains. random nuts and bolts, random ferrels, cable ends. Patch kits and tire levers to sell.
- We do the above but also have some fun art projects. For this we bring an extra table, some butcher paper to cover the table. We have black and white photo copies of bicycles that we have kids color with markers. We do bike bell painting with big ding-dong bells from J&B importers that we let people paint their own bell with paint markers. Inner tube wallet making with old tubes. This we mostly do at kids events. O, and its always fun to have a bottle of bubbles and some chalk on hand.
Troy Neiman BICAS Tucson AZ
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net To: The Think Tank thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34 pm Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam
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I am happy to see that we aren't the only ones trying to figure out how to bring the shop out to the street and parks.
Attached is a photo of our Mobile Bike Shop Trike Sorry that the photo is kind of hard to see. The frame is from an old ice cream bike. We have mounted tool boxes, storage and a compressed air "pig". We affectionately call the Trike the "Pig". Some of the special features include 3 wheels with internal drum brakes and internal 5 speed in the rear hub. We went with heavy duty downhill wheels. We were able to find a double pull brake leaver so that one leaver controls the brakes on both front wheels.
The Pig cost us virtually nothing and was put together with donated parts and volunteer hours. We plan to be at every neighbourhood block party, carnival and event in our community! We also hope to do a park circuit, fixing bikes for kids that can't get to our shop.
Jeff Neven New Hope Bike Co-op Hamilton, Ontario, Canada 905-545-1991
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To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 01:33:48 -0400 From: troyneiman@myself.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I have been thinking about this a lot lately also.
The frustration of having several big bins of fliers and info, tools, small parts and art supplies we are constantly struggling to organize and reorganize every time we do an event which is quite often, has led me to take an interest in figuring out a better way to do it.
I recently purchased the Fat Max tool box for about $70. We have used it for two events this past weekend and so far and it seems surprisingly sturdy and is in fact made in the USA. I have set it up so that our tabling info (fliers, brochures, etc.) is in the bottom. The middle is separated into compartments making it easy to store tubes, chains cables, patch kits, etc. Then on top is your classic big open tool box with removable lid that is large enough to store most tools, rags and lube needed to do many on site repairs. It also has built in wheels and handle for easy moving and the whole thing slides open for complete access. The top is sturdy enough to hold the tool tray and some parts when open. The tool box itself is pretty light and I have turned it on its side and every thing stays pretty well in its place. I have not tried it on my bob trailer yet but look forward to doing so.
The other problem is hauling the pop up tent, tables, stands and anything else we may need. I also want something that on top of being extremely functional will look awesome and attract everyone's attention. The Metrofeit mobile bike station is incredible and inspiring but may be a little daunting for most of us to create. This is a all in one bike trailer display that I found to be a little more DIY friendly and still has all the necessities. Anybody else seen anything similar to this?
Has anyone had any experience with the Mobile Park Tool suit case vs. the Padros tool case?
We have 3 things that we normally do at tabling events...
Attend an event as a way to get the word out about what we do and the services available. For this we bring 10 x10 pop up tent, 6' folding table, large banner, chairs our brochures, upcoming classes and event info, sign up sheets for mailing list, one of those clear plastic boxes with dividers for a bunch of different stickers, merchandize (bottle cap magnets, coozies, bells, etc.) a little container with office supplies like pens, rubber bands, zip ties, string,tape, etc. Other bike info, Tucson bike maps, safety info.
We have all the above but also offer free bike check ups and repairs. For this we bring all the above but include a big free bike check ups sign,
all tools needed for most repairs and adjustments. lube, rags, aprons, cleaner, bike stand, spare tubes, cables, chains. random nuts and bolts, random ferrels, cable ends. Patch kits and tire levers to sell.
- We do the above but also have some fun art projects. For this we bring an extra table, some butcher paper to cover the table. We have black and white photo copies of bicycles that we have kids color with markers. We do bike bell painting with big ding-dong bells from J&B importers that we let people paint their own bell with paint markers. Inner tube wallet making with old tubes. This we mostly do at kids events. O, and its always fun to have a bottle of bubbles and some chalk on hand.
Troy Neiman BICAS Tucson AZ
-----Original Message----- From: Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net To: The Think Tank thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, Apr 6, 2011 1:34 pm Subject: [TheThinkTank] Mobile Bicycle Repair
I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up.
- tool list
- cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both
- consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al)
- what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them)
- booth, tent, other
- other issues I'm short-sighted on...
Thanks, Sam _______________________________________________
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I want to thank everyone who has joined in this discussion. With my first set of basic questions I expected to receive two or three replies but instead the response has been amazing. Everything from a custom built bakfiets to homemade "Pig" trike. There have been great tool lists supplied, spare parts suggestions, and more.
This is clearly a "business model" that is proving popular for collectives and I believe it will be beneficial to cull this data together into the Wiki at bikecollectives.org to share with organizations (like mine) that are going down this path. I am collecting all the data sent to this list regarding this topic and plan to share it in an organized fashion once my collective's project is complete.
Cheers, Sam
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participants (14)
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Andy Greif
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Chris Chan
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Eric Brozell
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Eric Montgomery
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Jeff Neven
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Kelly Martin
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Leslie Peteya
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R Points
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Ross Willard - Recycle Bicycle
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ryan jenkins
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Sam Haraldson
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The Bicycle Tree
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troyneiman@myself.com
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veganboyjosh@gmail.com