no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.comwrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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I'll look for my copy. I have it somewhere. I know it was written (or at least brought) by those people who came from Seattle. There is a picture of one of the authors (I think) in that issue of Urban Velo that talks about Bike!Bike!
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:35:40 -0600 From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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Oh, I still have my copy. I'd just like to get permission and touch base with the author before I reprint and/or distribute digitally...
Thanks!
josh.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
I'll look for my copy. I have it somewhere. I know it was written (or at least brought) by those people who came from Seattle. There is a picture of one of the authors (I think) in that issue of Urban Velo that talks about Bike!Bike!
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:35:40 -0600 From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.comwrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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Just wanted to let you all know that The Bike Root here in Calgary will be holding our first Women's Workshop on April 5th, kind of a milestone for us. So far we have had alot of women signing up, so we are pretty stoked. Please do pass along a copy of that zine once the permission are sorted out.
Cheers, Lance The Bike Root
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:01 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
Oh, I still have my copy. I'd just like to get permission and touch base with the author before I reprint and/or distribute digitally...
Thanks!
josh.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 12:00 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
I'll look for my copy. I have it somewhere. I know it was written (or at least brought) by those people who came from Seattle. There is a picture of one of the authors (I think) in that issue of Urban Velo that talks about Bike!Bike!
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 10:35:40 -0600 From: veganboyjosh@gmail.com To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.comwrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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Wait. I don't get it. Why do women need a space and time that's all their own? I haven't read the zine, can someone summarize it?
The bike collective here in Davis has a day that's specifically for women, but I don't think men are excluded, should they wander through.
Angel
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:35 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2009 16:57:04 -0700 From: aniola@gmail.com To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
Wait. I don't get it. Why do women need a space and time that's all their own? I haven't read the zine, can someone summarize it?
The bike collective here in Davis has a day that's specifically for women, but I don't think men are excluded, should they wander through.
Angel
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:35 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
haha. awesome. no, it's not an april fool's joke. altho i do love that title.
the zine was produced in an effort to explain to guys why women need/deserve a space and time that's all their own. the idea being that when a guy shows up and wants to use the shop during women's time, if after trying to explain that "it's ladies night, please come back later..." and he still doesn't get it, give him the zine, and hope that it will help explain it.
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:31 AM, reno bikes renobikeproject@gmail.com wrote:
sounds like that magazine should have been called
"no male oppressors allowed, death to the penis wielding sex fiends"
its april 1,
or is it?
n
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:20 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
hey all,
i'm looking to get in touch with the person who wrote/published the "no boys allowed" zine which was passed out at bikebike in san francisco. it was part of one of the oppression and gender identity issues workshops. we're looking to start a women's night here at community cycles, and i'd like to scan my copy as a pdf and email it to potential volunteers, as well as make some copies to have in the shop...
if you're on the list, or if you know the person who wrote it (her name escapes me), please get in touch with me off list...
thanks!
josh. community cycles boulder
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On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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pdf should be uploaded later today. will let you all know.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Kathleen Banville <kathleenmachine@gmail.com
wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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Does anyone have notes from related Bike!Bike! discussions? It might help if we can review our discussions, rationale(s), ah ha moments, programming ideas, methods of funding population specific programming, etc. A primer wouldn't hurt, either, perhaps from a couple of perspectives from a few different genders. There is a wealth of info out there if anyone wants to find out how to be an ally, but maybe there are some special considerations to make for community bike shops that only our broader community can really speak to.
If there isn't already a page on the wiki, that would be a great place for all of these materials. Wasn't someone recently cataloging shops that have women/trans nights? That would be good info to have on there.
-rachael // sopobikes
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
pdf should be uploaded later today. will let you all know.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Kathleen Banville < kathleenmachine@gmail.com> wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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the reason i originally asked for contact info for "no boys allowed" was to present it to the team here at community cycles who is organizing a women and trans night. i'm currently on the team, but as soon as a few other volunteers get on board, i'll step back. the thread from this list a few weeks back has been useful for us contacting other shops who do host a specific time for non-males to get ideas and feedback.
and, not to hijack my own thread...
rachel, you bring up an interesting point. i visited with jonathon from slc a month or two ago, and we spoke about bikebike, and both the tremendous resources that are shared, and the large amount of "reinventing the wheel" so to speak, as workshops presented one year aren't documented or shared outside the workshop, or even outside bikebike. his idea, which i agreed with, is to have at least one person recording the workshops, and responsible for sharing them later somewhere--the bcn wiki, a dvd, a zine, etc. it would take some organizing from someone outside of bikebike, but it's not something that couldn't happen...i could see it being the job of the next host of bikebike to compile, organize and release the info somehow at the following year's bikebike.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 8:31 AM, rachael spiewak rachael@sopobikes.orgwrote:
Does anyone have notes from related Bike!Bike! discussions? It might help if we can review our discussions, rationale(s), ah ha moments, programming ideas, methods of funding population specific programming, etc. A primer wouldn't hurt, either, perhaps from a couple of perspectives from a few different genders. There is a wealth of info out there if anyone wants to find out how to be an ally, but maybe there are some special considerations to make for community bike shops that only our broader community can really speak to.
If there isn't already a page on the wiki, that would be a great place for all of these materials. Wasn't someone recently cataloging shops that have women/trans nights? That would be good info to have on there.
-rachael // sopobikes
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
pdf should be uploaded later today. will let you all know.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Kathleen Banville < kathleenmachine@gmail.com> wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 10:31:54 -0400 From: rachael@sopobikes.org To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
Does anyone have notes from related Bike!Bike! discussions? It might help if we can review our discussions, rationale(s), ah ha moments, programming ideas, methods of funding population specific programming, etc. A primer wouldn't hurt, either, perhaps from a couple of perspectives from a few different genders. There is a wealth of info out there if anyone wants to find out how to be an ally, but maybe there are some special considerations to make for community bike shops that only our broader community can really speak to.
If there isn't already a page on the wiki, that would be a great place for all of these materials. Wasn't someone recently cataloging shops that have women/trans nights? That would be good info to have on there.
-rachael // sopobikes
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 9:15 AM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
pdf should be uploaded later today. will let you all know.
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 7:12 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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ok, the files are here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=274fbe73279d9bc924a64199ac7f73e5f9df047ec...
it's a zip file. once you unzip it, you'll find three pdf's. one is to print it onto 11x17 paper, so it ends up being an 8..5x11 zine once folded.
one is to print onto 8.5x11 paper, ending up with a 5.5 x 8.5/half letter sized zine when folded.
the other file is to print onto 8.5 x 11 paper, not folded.
i did retype one of the pages, as it was difficult to read, and i figured this thing would get recopied and redistributed...might as well fix it while i've got it open...
I don't really think that's the right attitude to have. That's assuming that everyone who has questions about this has absolutely NO IDEA what it's about, when I'm pretty sure it's quite the contrary. I, for example, had wrestled with the notion for many months, but couldn't bring myself to sign off on it. It took a Bike!Bike! workshop to get me to finally see the purpose of it, and I credit it mostly to a room of twenty-something people all with different opinions sharing everything they had. Eventually, someone's going to agree with someone.
And when applied to any problem, it's a sour way to introduce someone to a solution. Bikes, for example. We like those :)
If we told everyone that we deal with problems pertaining to bicycles all day, and that they should look into it on their own for a while before they come to us and expect us to spend an hour and a half helping them fix their problem, we'd have absolutely zero return customers. Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2009 09:12:07 -0400 From: kathleenmachine@gmail.com To: thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike?
please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 8:50 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 6:37 PM, Forrest Cutrer fbcuter@msn.com wrote:
Once Josh scans it he should post it here for everyone. It's pretty neat. However, I do recommend reading it with some discussion. As an identified male who was initially against a gender-specific night, it took both the zine and a good hour-and-a-half long discussion to sway my opinion.
couldn't have said this better myself.
i finally dug out my copy to see if i could find kanako's (the author) email address. it's in there, along with a note that says "feel free to copy and distribute, even add/expand on this zine."
with that in mind, i'm scanning it now. will post a note when it's been uploaded to the attack sit---i mean, bcn wiki.
i for one am definitely interested in feedback from men, women, and everyone else, once they've read it...i feel like bikebike is such a finite time in which to discuss these types of broad issues. the workshops tend to overrun, side discussions are quashed, etc.
would love to see some longer term discussions about oppression and some of the other large societal issues we as bike shops and as people face happening either on this list or somewhere.
thanks y'all.
josh.
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At the Bike Farm we're actually struggling to find volunteer mechanics for our meager 2-hour every other week W&T night. We want to have that night so bad but can't get an experienced mechanic to commit to it.
How have y'all managed to find folks to staff those nights? Did you have to recruit or did they approach you?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before putting the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think of how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over. the answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only hours into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week. we have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and planning a volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other than the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the results with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in the shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be get some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night for women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can look it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but mostly its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and customers as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or is it only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:45 AM, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote:
At the Bike Farm we're actually struggling to find volunteer mechanics for our meager 2-hour every other week W&T night. We want to have that night so bad but can't get an experienced mechanic to commit to it.
How have y'all managed to find folks to staff those nights? Did you have to recruit or did they approach you?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before
putting
the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain. think
of
how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans only time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over.
the
answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike! last year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only
hours
into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every week.
we
have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and
planning a
volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other
than
the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the
results
with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
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community cycles was faced with very few master mechanics a year or two ago, and we let that fact hold us back. we avoided doing programs that involved teaching advanced skills for lack of a single teacher who could do it all. i'm not talking about non-male teachers/programs, i mean in general. we eventually came to the conclusion that as long as we had enough instructors/faciltators/volunteers present at whatever program it was who could collectively do most repairs, (ie, one master mechanic between all of us), then it worked out ok.
- people who knew little to nothing about mechanics didn't mind that there
was more than one person teaching, depending on the question/problem raised.
- staff/volunteers who didn't have the answer would switch roles for a
moment, and become the student. the next time the question came up, the staff then knew the answer or had at least heard the answer and was more suited to figuring it out without breaking something.
i'll also echo what kathleen said about knowing limits. it's much better and easier to say "i'm sorry, this is outside the bounds of what we can do here" than "gee, i'm really sorry i fscked up your bike. i'm sure one of the other local bike shops can help..." not only in the short term but in the long term as well, as the first encounter may bring the person back, but the second will likely not.
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 6:36 AM, Kathleen Banville <kathleenmachine@gmail.com
wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in the shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be get some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night for women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can look it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but mostly its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and customers as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or is it only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:45 AM, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote:
At the Bike Farm we're actually struggling to find volunteer mechanics for our meager 2-hour every other week W&T night. We want to have that night so bad but can't get an experienced mechanic to commit to it.
How have y'all managed to find folks to staff those nights? Did you have to recruit or did they approach you?
On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 6:12 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
also people who are asking "why should there be a women and trans only space, excluding men?" should ask themselves these questions before
putting
the responsibility on the people using that space/time to explain.
think of
how many times we are asked to explain this. yes discussion is very important, but the conversation can happen between boys only or a mix of genders or anyone really. i feel, as a woman who uses women & trans
only
time at bike shops, that we are asked the same questions over and over.
the
answers are out there, please be an ally and do some research before expecting us to have the hour and a half discussion with you.
thanks Josh for scanning the zine and sharing it! it was Bike Bike!
last
year that gave Bike Pirates the final push to put women and trans only
hours
into effect and we just extended our hours from 4 to 6 hours every
week. we
have definitely increased the scope of new participants and created some much needed dialogue around oppression. we have now founded an anti-oppression committee, are drafting a policy around this, and
planning a
volunteer retreat in order to have workshops on important issues other
than
the bike mechanic side of our group. looking forward to sharing the
results
with everyone at Bike Bike! this year.
peace, kathleen bike pirates/ community bicycle network toronto canada
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Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in the shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be get some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night for women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can look it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but mostly its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and customers as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or is it only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safe
Chloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote:
Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in
the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be
get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night
for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can
look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but
mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and
customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or
is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
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Here's a link to one:
http://kellymariemartin.com/wtf_zine.zip
On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Chloé Rose wrote:
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of
this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safeChloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote: Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make
the W&T
hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are
involved in the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this
could be get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop
night for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix
every
thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we
can look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel
comfortable
approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make
mistakes.
that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free
(if you
usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it
but mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and
customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike
Farm, or is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
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i do. will repost and link soon.
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Kelly Marie Martin < kelly@bicyclekitchen.com> wrote:
Here's a link to one:
http://kellymariemartin.com/wtf_zine.zip
On Apr 6, 2012, at 9:46 AM, Chloé Rose wrote:
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safe
Chloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote:
Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved
in the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be
get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop
night for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can
look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if
you
usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but
mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and
customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or
is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
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To follow that, any other resources to help us strengthen our Women and Trans programming would be awesome. Also, if anyone has a sexual harassment policy, we are working on developing our own.
Thanks!
Keren, Bike Pirates
--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Chloé Rose winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com wrote:
From: Chloé Rose winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike? To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Received: Friday, April 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safe
Chloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore jam@bikefarm.org wrote:
Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it
was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that
feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny
because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who
are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work
out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great
idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together.
If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to
each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer
mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville
kathleenmachine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T
hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every
thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable
approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes.
that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans
organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you
usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck!
kathleen
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Hi Hi,
I'm looking for this zine again. All the links have died. Does anyone have a copy? I promise to get it on the wiki if someone does. -Momoko
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM Keren Gottfried keren_gottfried@yahoo.ca wrote:
To follow that, any other resources to help us strengthen our Women and Trans programming would be awesome. Also, if anyone has a sexual harassment policy, we are working on developing our own.
Thanks!
Keren, Bike Pirates
--- On *Fri, 4/6/12, Chloé Rose <winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Chloé Rose winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike? To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Received: Friday, April 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safe
Chloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore <jam@bikefarm.org http:///mc/compose?to=jam@bikefarm.org> wrote:
Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville <kathleenmachine@gmail.com http:///mc/compose?to=kathleenmachine@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved in
the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be
get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop night
for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can
look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if you usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but
mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and
customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or
is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
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If no one else does it in a day or two, I definitely have a copy I can scan and/or share.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2018 at 1:41 PM momoko saunders analyst@bikefarm.org wrote:
Hi Hi,
I'm looking for this zine again. All the links have died. Does anyone have a copy? I promise to get it on the wiki if someone does. -Momoko
On Fri, Apr 6, 2012 at 9:15 PM Keren Gottfried keren_gottfried@yahoo.ca wrote:
To follow that, any other resources to help us strengthen our Women and Trans programming would be awesome. Also, if anyone has a sexual harassment policy, we are working on developing our own.
Thanks!
Keren, Bike Pirates
--- On *Fri, 4/6/12, Chloé Rose <winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com>* wrote:
From: Chloé Rose winter.snowy.rose@gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] no boys allowed zine from bikebike? To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@bikecollectives.org Received: Friday, April 6, 2012, 12:46 PM
Hey Everyone
I know that this is very old, but does anyone still have a copy of this zine floating around? The hosting link has expired by now. Thanks and ride safe
Chloé, Bike Pirates.
On 5 April 2009 00:44, James Moore <jam@bikefarm.org http:///mc/compose?to=jam@bikefarm.org> wrote:
Kathleen, we actually have quite a few woman involved with shop; it was started by 3 woman. What we've been lacking are volunteers that feel confident enough in their skills to lead others. It's funny because since I sent my email I think I've found 3 woman mechanics who are interested in restarting our program. Hopefully it will all work out.
Holding special trainings for volunteer mechanics is also a great idea. We're just getting a class curriculum for the public together. If only we could clone our core volunteers and add 24 more hours to each day, we'd really get somewhere.
Your point about knowing limitations is a great one for any volunteer mechanic to follow.
James
On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 5:36 AM, Kathleen Banville <kathleenmachine@gmail.com http:///mc/compose?to=kathleenmachine@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi James
yes its true sometimes its harder to find the volunteers to make the W&T hours possible. the org can ask itself why so few women are involved
in the
shop. obviously you need to bring more in. a way to do this could be
get
some of the core female mechanics to have a bike mechanic workshop
night for
women only. train some new volunteers to do basic repairs.
also we had a discussion about how we don't have to be able to fix every thing that comes into the shop. if we don't know how to do it, we can
look
it up in the bike mechanic handbook. if we still don't feel comfortable approaching the problem, we should reject it rather than make mistakes. that's a smart move, not a failure.
recruiting is also a good idea. approach other women or trans organizations, offer for them to fix their members bikes for free (if
you
usually charge) or some other trade.
since we've introduced women and trans hours, we've advertised it but
mostly
its spread word of mouth. we've had many many new volunteers and
customers
as a result of it. do you usually have trouble staffing Bike Farm, or
is it
only for W&T hours?
good luck! kathleen
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