Collectives,
Our co-op will be giving a series of lectures this winter, the first of which is a winter cycle commuting clinic. I'd like to round out the materials we've put together with examples of what others have taught regarding this topic already. If you have any outlines or other presentation materials related to giving a winter bicycle commuting clinic we'd be most appreciative of you sharing.
Boulder's Community Cycles gave a nice presentation regarding this topic at Mountain States Bike Bike last year. Their organization has all the materials for a presentation ready to go in a Rubbermaid tub for quick deployment. If a company, or other organization is in need of a presentation they can contact CC and for a fee have a ready-to-go presenter and presentation with little difficulty.
Cheers, Sam
I just uploaded a copy of the zine we handed out in our Winter Cycling workshops to the BCN wiki.
It goes over the basics of how to ride differently, how to dress differently, and a little bit about how maintenance is different in the winter.
There's a foldout page in the middle that has a "centerfold" poster explaining and showing how to make your own diy studded tires. It's on the wiki here:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Cycling_in_a_winte...
I've also uploaded a copy of our workshop curriculum, which is in outline form, but works great for flow, and just reading from one line to the next in front of the class, with some expanding on topics, answering questions as they come, etc, that's here:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Winter_CyclingComm...
It's pretty long, but it's a great foundation for a 2-3 hour workshop all about winter cycling. It was interesting getting feedback about the class, since we'd get some "material was too elementary" and some "material was too advanced" responses to the questionnaire at the end of the same session. I think it might be a good idea to try to suss out the skill/experience level of the workshop/class participants before hand, to avoid speaking down to the more experienced, or over the head of the beginners.
The rubbermaid box Sam mentioned was essentially my own winter cycling gear box that lives in my garage. It's about the size of a milk crate, and it's where all my winter stuff--gloves, balaclava, leg warmers, etc--live when they're not keeping me warm. When it's time for a class, I just grab that, and have lots of examples to pass around. (Don't forget to wash the items if you're teaching the class during the season in which they're being used...no one wants to pass around an unlaundered balaclava...) I usually offer an arm warmer or two to someone who's skeptical that they would make that much of a difference. Just challenge them to wear it for 10 minutes during the class, and then check back with them to see how much warmer they are with it/them on...
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net wrote:
Collectives,
Our co-op will be giving a series of lectures this winter, the first of which is a winter cycle commuting clinic. I'd like to round out the materials we've put together with examples of what others have taught regarding this topic already. If you have any outlines or other presentation materials related to giving a winter bicycle commuting clinic we'd be most appreciative of you sharing.
Boulder's Community Cycles gave a nice presentation regarding this topic at Mountain States Bike Bike last year. Their organization has all the materials for a presentation ready to go in a Rubbermaid tub for quick deployment. If a company, or other organization is in need of a presentation they can contact CC and for a fee have a ready-to-go presenter and presentation with little difficulty.
Cheers, Sam
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Eric Montgomery Here Brockville Ontario, Canada. I ride all year around sun, snow. ice I use several methods for snow/ice conditions. Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed in existing tire. Pics included two of first prototype, second red bike is 1967, 9 sp Itala that has fenders now. I currently have two nice ice bikes that I use here for daily riding. Proper winter hazzard lighting systems can also be shown and explained. Dark here at 4 Pm not light till 7 am.
Eric Montgomery
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net wrote:
Collectives,
Our co-op will be giving a series of lectures this winter, the first of which is a winter cycle commuting clinic. I'd like to round out the materials we've put together with examples of what others have taught regarding this topic already. If you have any outlines or other presentation materials related to giving a winter bicycle commuting clinic we'd be most appreciative of you sharing.
Boulder's Community Cycles gave a nice presentation regarding this topic at Mountain States Bike Bike last year. Their organization has all the materials for a presentation ready to go in a Rubbermaid tub for quick deployment. If a company, or other organization is in need of a presentation they can contact CC and for a fee have a ready-to-go presenter and presentation with little difficulty.
Cheers, Sam
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It's being actively revised now, but you can check out our 2-page winter riding take-home here: http://bit.ly/hNAHo6
We've only run two workshops so far. In the first, our discussion organically moved to commuting strategies and DIY solutions for traction (e.g. zip ties) and fenders (milk jugs), but we aimed to keep our take-home short-but-useful. However, the second workshop was less free-flowing, so something like the curriculum from Boulder may have been helpful for us. From feedback we've gotten, new winter riders are as interested in winter bike handling skills (i.e. dealing with slush, snow, and ice) as maintaining their bike and staying warm and dry.
I'll recirculate when we revise this draft. All feedback is welcome. Feel free to send it directly to me.
Cheers,
Colin
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On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 2:05 PM, veganboyjosh@gmail.com wrote:
I just uploaded a copy of the zine we handed out in our Winter Cycling workshops to the BCN wiki.
It goes over the basics of how to ride differently, how to dress differently, and a little bit about how maintenance is different in the winter.
There's a foldout page in the middle that has a "centerfold" poster explaining and showing how to make your own diy studded tires. It's on the wiki here:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Cycling_in_a_winte...
I've also uploaded a copy of our workshop curriculum, which is in outline form, but works great for flow, and just reading from one line to the next in front of the class, with some expanding on topics, answering questions as they come, etc, that's here:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Winter_CyclingComm...
It's pretty long, but it's a great foundation for a 2-3 hour workshop all about winter cycling. It was interesting getting feedback about the class, since we'd get some "material was too elementary" and some "material was too advanced" responses to the questionnaire at the end of the same session. I think it might be a good idea to try to suss out the skill/experience level of the workshop/class participants before hand, to avoid speaking down to the more experienced, or over the head of the beginners.
The rubbermaid box Sam mentioned was essentially my own winter cycling gear box that lives in my garage. It's about the size of a milk crate, and it's where all my winter stuff--gloves, balaclava, leg warmers, etc--live when they're not keeping me warm. When it's time for a class, I just grab that, and have lots of examples to pass around. (Don't forget to wash the items if you're teaching the class during the season in which they're being used...no one wants to pass around an unlaundered balaclava...) I usually offer an arm warmer or two to someone who's skeptical that they would make that much of a difference. Just challenge them to wear it for 10 minutes during the class, and then check back with them to see how much warmer they are with it/them on...
On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 11:45 AM, Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net wrote:
Collectives,
Our co-op will be giving a series of lectures this winter, the first of which is a winter cycle commuting clinic. I'd like to round out the materials we've put together with examples of what others have taught regarding this topic already. If you have any outlines or other presentation materials related to giving a winter bicycle commuting clinic we'd be most appreciative of you sharing.
Boulder's Community Cycles gave a nice presentation regarding this topic at Mountain States Bike Bike last year. Their organization has all the materials for a presentation ready to go in a Rubbermaid tub for quick deployment. If a company, or other organization is in need of a presentation they can contact CC and for a fee have a ready-to-go presenter and presentation with little difficulty.
Cheers, Sam
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From Community Cycles:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Cycling_in_a_winte... http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Winter_CyclingComm...
From Bike House:
Thank you Josh and Colin. These are precisely what I was looking for to enhance and expand our existing curriculum.
On a side note do people feel that a "workshops" section of the Wiki is a good idea? If so I can take on setting up the framework for that and then as more of these types of brochures get uploaded we can create subsections for various topics.
- Sam
AWESOME!!!
Thank you,
Timothy L. Chase 303-947-8482 (direct) ContactTimChase@gmail.com
From: Sam Haraldson samh@samh.net To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Mon, December 20, 2010 12:43:42 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Winter Cycling Clinic
From Community Cycles:
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Cycling_in_a_winte...
http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Image:Winter_CyclingComm...
From Bike House:
Thank you Josh and Colin. These are precisely what I was looking for to enhance and expand our existing curriculum.
On a side note do people feel that a "workshops" section of the Wiki is a good idea? If so I can take on setting up the framework for that and then as more of these types of brochures get uploaded we can create subsections for various topics.
- Sam
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Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed in existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
At about $ 12.50 per tire compared to $70-100.00 for carbide. Plus the fact I am using Kenda 700x38 at pich flat pressure used tires so if I get one season I am not worried.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Sam Haraldson sam@bozemanbikekitchen.orgwrote:
Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed
in
existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
-- Director of Operations Bozeman Bike Kitchen http://bozemanbikekitchen.org _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org To unsubscribe, send a blank email to TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org To manage your subscription, plase visit:
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I'm into winter #5 with a Nokian tire tungsten-carbide studs. I got
mine slightly used for $20, but now that I know how long they last I
would not hesitate to spend the cash on new if needed. They really are
tough. That said, for casual use around town the steel ones might
hold up for a while, but for regular use / commuting I'd say the
carbide ones are the way to go.
The main issue I've seen with just about every home-made studded tire
is that either the things stick out too far, thus actually making
traction on bare pavement worse (so they're only really good for icy
paths and roads that never get bare). Also, since they are screwed /
driven in they tend to eventually fall out, and also usually protrude
through the tire so a liner (often made from an old tire carcass) is
needed to protect the tube. Then the wheel starts to roll like poo
because of the extra weight...
At our shop I always try to chat with those using studded tires so as
to compare experiences. Almost all who started out with homemade studs
eventually switched to factory-made, even if just steel studs. Ottawa
can have some serious winters, so I guess those of us who ride through
them need stuff that really works.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 23-Dec-10, at 12:51 PM, Eric Montgomery wrote:
At about $ 12.50 per tire compared to $70-100.00 for carbide. Plus
the fact I am using Kenda 700x38 at pich flat pressure used tires so
if I get one season I am not worried.On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Sam Haraldson <sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org
wrote: Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud
installed in
existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
-- Director of Operations Bozeman Bike Kitchen http://bozemanbikekitchen.org
Pinch flat pressure is only for ice, snow conditions. Dry wet pavement I run at 80 psi. SS rivets are placed to the outside edge of the tire and are not in contact with the road. they only come in contact when turning or when deflated. I am happy so far and will try to post a pic when I get home after the holiday.
Eric
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:13 PM, Mark Rehder mark@drumbent.com wrote:
I'm into winter #5 with a Nokian tire tungsten-carbide studs. I got mine slightly used for $20, but now that I know how long they last I would not hesitate to spend the cash on new if needed. They really are tough. That said, for casual use around town the steel ones might hold up for a while, but for regular use / commuting I'd say the carbide ones are the way to go.
The main issue I've seen with just about every home-made studded tire is that either the things stick out too far, thus actually making traction on bare pavement worse (so they're only really good for icy paths and roads that never get bare). Also, since they are screwed / driven in they tend to eventually fall out, and also usually protrude through the tire so a liner (often made from an old tire carcass) is needed to protect the tube. Then the wheel starts to roll like poo because of the extra weight...
At our shop I always try to chat with those using studded tires so as to compare experiences. Almost all who started out with homemade studs eventually switched to factory-made, even if just steel studs. Ottawa can have some serious winters, so I guess those of us who ride through them need stuff that really works.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 23-Dec-10, at 12:51 PM, Eric Montgomery wrote:
At about $ 12.50 per tire compared to $70-100.00 for carbide. Plus the
fact I am using Kenda 700x38 at pich flat pressure used tires so if I get one season I am not worried.
On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Sam Haraldson < sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org> wrote:
Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed
in
existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
-- Director of Operations Bozeman Bike Kitchen http://bozemanbikekitchen.org
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In my personal experience the real carbide studs last more than twice as long as the steel studs (I'm in to my 3rd winter on the carbide studs and I ride about 60 km/week). Along with a few others from our shop, I prefer tires with a rounded profile and studs only on the outer edges. That way the tire runs on rubber when fully inflated but if it slides the studs catch and save me. If it is really icy then I simply let a little air out so the tires are softer and the studs are continuously in contact with the ground. Chris Wells (Email Handler & one of many Volunteer Head Mechanics)
re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op 473 Bronson Ave. Ottawa
Re-Cycles Winter Hours: 6pm-9pm Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday 1pm-5pm Sundays (No DIY on Sundays)
Bike sales and donation drop off also available during Cycle Salvation hours: 9am-5:30pm Tuesday to Friday BUT NO Volunteering or DIY)
info@re-cycles.ca http://www.re-cycles.ca/
----- Original Message ---- From: Sam Haraldson sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Winter Cycling Clinic
Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed in existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
Please take my e-mail address off the thethinktank list. Thanks.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Wells" re-cycles@rogers.com To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Friday, January 7, 2011 11:30:16 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Winter Cycling Clinic
In my personal experience the real carbide studs last more than twice as long as the steel studs (I'm in to my 3rd winter on the carbide studs and I ride about 60 km/week). Along with a few others from our shop, I prefer tires with a rounded profile and studs only on the outer edges. That way the tire runs on rubber when fully inflated but if it slides the studs catch and save me. If it is really icy then I simply let a little air out so the tires are softer and the studs are continuously in contact with the ground. Chris Wells (Email Handler & one of many Volunteer Head Mechanics)
re-Cycles Bicycle Co-op 473 Bronson Ave. Ottawa
Re-Cycles Winter Hours: 6pm-9pm Tuesday, Wednesday & Thursday 1pm-5pm Sundays (No DIY on Sundays)
Bike sales and donation drop off also available during Cycle Salvation hours: 9am-5:30pm Tuesday to Friday BUT NO Volunteering or DIY)
info@re-cycles.ca http://www.re-cycles.ca/
----- Original Message ---- From: Sam Haraldson sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Thu, December 23, 2010 10:14:48 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Winter Cycling Clinic
Stainless Steel Studded tires designed by me @ $ 0.25 per stud installed in existing tire.
Eric,
Thanks for your chiming in on this issue. I typically recommend against the use of steel studs unless a rider knows they will be riding solely on ice/snow. I've personally found that unless a studded tire has carbide studs they will wear out in as little as one season. What are other people's experience with the longevity of steel vs. carbide?
- Sam
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