Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote:
Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org
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Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.comwrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote:
Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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MEC http://www.mec.ca used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very wellhttp://reviews.mec.ca/9421-en_ca/5010-672/mec-natural-lube-240ml-reviews/reviews.htm?sort=affiliation .
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison < jonathan@slcbikecollective.org> wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.comwrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote:
Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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at the santa cruz bike church we use bio-lube by phil wood. it gets tacky sooner and may not last as long in wet weather, but i have no complaints. it's nice not to have a fumie, petro-chemical lube in the community shop setting.
ann
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, Chris Chan chris.chan@edmontonbikes.cawrote:
MEC http://www.mec.ca used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very wellhttp://reviews.mec.ca/9421-en_ca/5010-672/mec-natural-lube-240ml-reviews/reviews.htm?sort=affiliation .
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison < jonathan@slcbikecollective.org> wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.comwrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote:
Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based
bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability
of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is
the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if
one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen
years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a
non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp
bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed
works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside.
You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your
system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just
big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to
actually use it). You can just hammer together something really
simple.On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison <jonathan@slcbikecollective.org
wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote
cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and
as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The
Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational
programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income
households.On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe
gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique
recommendation of using olive oil.http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality
is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts
cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it
is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we
ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there
have had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache
but others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on
the full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the
chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the
exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try
olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org To unsubscribe, send a blank email to TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org To manage your subscription, plase visit: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o...
Bearing friction inside a hub, indeed, any metal on metal friction,
does generate a quite a bit of heat, even at a cruising around town
speeds. Run hubs without proper grease and watch your bearings slowly
disintegrate...
But yes a chain is a different matter. The biggest issue there is
finding something that properly penetrates where it needs to go (the
side plates of the chain don't need lube as much as the pins do), and
also doesn't drip off or wash off in the first rain, or leave the
chain a gunky mess that attracts more dirt. Which will be the fate of
olive and similar oils. I know, as a few of my friends have tried it.
Mark
On 4-May-11, at 2:16 PM, james bledsoe wrote:
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is
for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often
just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course
it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back
later.jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based
bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability
of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived
is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant- based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was
fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good
formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp
bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product
indeed works as advertised.Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank
outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into
your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was
just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed
to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really
simple.On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison <jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote
cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and
as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The
Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational
programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income
households.On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe <gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique
recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air
quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We
do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes
and
simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts
cleaning
station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned
it is
harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often
we ask
people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out
there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a
headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects
on the full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or
ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line?
The original poster was requesting information about a specific plant-based lube, not grease. The primary use of lube in bicycle maintenance is on the chain - a low-heat situation. I would be interested in hearing organic solutions to all bicycle maintenance chemicals from lube, to grease, to de-greaser, etc but keep in mind the intent of the original question.
Cheers, Sam
ok , i will consider your response and refrain from gooping up my ride i have had successes with soaking my chain in melted paraffin. i know this is the petroleum we are trying depart from. wounder how bee's wax would perform is this application.
--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca wrote:
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 11:32 AM
Bearing friction inside a hub, indeed, any metal on metal friction, does generate a quite a bit of heat, even at a cruising around town speeds. Run hubs without proper grease and watch your bearings slowly disintegrate...
But yes a chain is a different matter. The biggest issue there is finding something that properly penetrates where it needs to go (the side plates of the chain don't need lube as much as the pins do), and also doesn't drip off or wash off in the first rain, or leave the chain a gunky mess that attracts more dirt. Which will be the fate of olive and similar oils. I know, as a few of my friends have tried it.
Mark
On 4-May-11, at 2:16 PM, james bledsoe wrote:
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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Paraffin was used by US military veterans returning from WW2. They asked the British what they used on there bikes to lubricate their racing bike chains. The British said paraffin, Sadly the British word paraffin was what Americans called Diesel. So the americans started using wax to clean chains. Then they created a mix wax of 20% bees wax and 80% paraffin wax. The oil from the wax does a little lubrication between the inner side plates and the pin. But it is short lived and the oil in wax is not designed for load, wet, or heat. It is a good burning material.
The good side of the wax process is the people that use it are very anal about keeping things clean. Which is the best thing all of us can do to make chains last longer. The wax does a good job of encasing dirt, as you break the wax off the chain, a good bit of dirt comes free too. There are easier ways of removing dirt, and more effective ways. But that is another story
-----Original Message----- From: james bledsoe jamesbleds0e@yahoo.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 9:47 am Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
ok , i will consider your response and refrain from gooping up my ride i have had successes with soaking my chain in melted paraffin. i know this is the petroleum we are trying depart from. wounder how bee's wax would perform is this application.
--- On Wed, 5/4/11, Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca wrote:
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube To: "The Think Tank" thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Date: Wednesday, May 4, 2011, 11:32 AM
Bearing friction inside a hub, indeed, any metal on metal friction, does generate a quite a bit of heat, even at a cruising around town speeds. Run hubs without proper grease and watch your bearings slowly disintegrate...
But yes a chain is a different matter. The biggest issue there is finding something that properly penetrates where it needs to go (the side plates of the chain don't need lube as much as the pins do), and also doesn't drip off or wash off in the first rain, or leave the chain a gunky mess that attracts more dirt. Which will be the fate of olive and similar oils. I know, as a few of my friends have tried it.
Mark
On 4-May-11, at 2:16 PM, james bledsoe wrote:
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere.
Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon fire
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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I have soaked bicycle chains in melted paraffin wax in the past in an attempt to keep water out on a winter bike. I then gooped chain lube over that. Many chain lubes do in fact use paraffin as an ingredient. Using it as a replacement for petroleum products would be very misguided though, because it IS a petroleum product.
On May 4, 2011, at 5:07 PM, bovineoaks@aol.com wrote:
In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere.
Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon fire
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator re-Cycles Community Bike Shop http://re-cycles.ca
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote: Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote: Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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We've been using Pedro's ChainJ biodegradable lube and their Bio Grease as well. I can't say I've done scientific tests on either so I can't precisely describe their merits. The chain lube is somewhat oily, doesn't wash away easily. The grease does experience some separation; I'm not sure what liquid is separating. This may be a drawback in action.
Theres a review of the grease here: http://road.cc/content/review/17600-pedros-bio-grease plus a negative experience for a skateboarder here: http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-Bio-Grease/dp/B003UWLWPW
ChainJ reviews here: http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-CHAINj-Bike-Chain-120ml/product-reviews/B000N22...
I hadn't heard about this one until doing a little perusing right now: Dumonde Tech Bio Green http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/778317?source=gpla&cm_mm...
I usually use the excellent ProGold ProLink which is biodegradable and calls itself "environmentally friendly" though I'm not sure of its toxicity or ingredients. http://www.mtbr.com/cat/accessories/lube/progold/prolink-chain-lube/PRD_3523...
-Paul
The Bicycle Tree
P.O. Box 881 Orange, CA 92856
info@thebicycletree.org
To: thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org From: bovineoaks@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:07:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere.
Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon fire
Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i will try olive oil on my chain and report back later.
jim
From: Mark Rehder mark@re-cycles.ca
To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org
Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked stuff is it?
Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as advertised.
Mark Rehder - Coordinator
re-Cycles Community Bike Shop
On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote:
MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well.
If you build a
covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer together something really simple.
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line?
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison
Executive Director
Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective
2312 S. West Temple
Salt Lake City, UT 84115
w: 801-328-2453
c: 801-688-0183
f:
801-466-3856
www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
On
4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We
do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and
simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning
station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is
harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask
people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache
but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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I work for Evergreen and run a new space called the Bike Works which is part of Evergreen Brick Works here in Toronto. More here: http://ebw.evergreen.ca/whats-here/bike-works/ . I have been visited by the Orontas rep and been given a few bottles of cleaner, chain lube and grease to try out.
I would say the liquid lube is a great every day lube and works well to fend off rust and keep everything moving smoothly in the drive train. The Cleaner is citrus based and works well. Its all Plant based and so has no MSDS sheets. I feel much better about using this stuff to lube and clean bikes in our shop.
They also have a grease and an aerosol spray that is all plant based as well. I know what you are thinking Aerosol is crap for the environment. As far as this one goes it is the highest grade of recyclable material regarding the can. Regarding the propellant, it is one that the cosmetic industry resorted to after the banning of CFC and is pretty much neutral. I would email them directly for literature on the range of products. Cerevelo apparently uses there products on newly built bikes coming out of their manufacturing facility.
In short, great product, worth trying if you are looking for a lower environmental impact and less toxicology to yourself and program participants.
Sincerely
Shah Mohamed Green City Cycles Program Manager Evergreen 550 Bayview Ave Suite 300 Toronto ONT M4W 3X8 www.evergreen.ca
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Morrison < jonathan@slcbikecollective.org> wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.comwrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote:
Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the
full
time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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It is bad for rim and disk brake surfaces, and not so good for shop workers respiratory systems either. When I need a hit of lube I use the drip bottles as a nose spray. It keeps others from having to experience my addiction.
They also have a grease and an aerosol spray that is all plant based as well. I know what you are thinking Aerosol is crap for the environment.
-----Original Message----- From: Shah Mohamed realbrew@gmail.com To: The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 10:28 am Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
I work for Evergreen and run a new space called the Bike Works which is part of Evergreen Brick Works here in Toronto. More here: http://ebw.evergreen.ca/whats-here/bike-works/ . I have been visited by the Orontas rep and been given a few bottles of cleaner, chain lube and grease to try out.
I would say the liquid lube is a great every day lube and works well to fend off rust and keep everything moving smoothly in the drive train. The Cleaner is citrus based and works well. Its all Plant based and so has no MSDS sheets. I feel much better about using this stuff to lube and clean bikes in our shop.
They also have a grease and an aerosol spray that is all plant based as well. I know what you are thinking Aerosol is crap for the environment. As far as this one goes it is the highest grade of recyclable material regarding the can. Regarding the propellant, it is one that the cosmetic industry resorted to after the banning of CFC and is pretty much neutral. I would email them directly for literature on the range of products. Cerevelo apparently uses there products on newly built bikes coming out of their manufacturing facility.
In short, great product, worth trying if you are looking for a lower environmental impact and less toxicology to yourself and program participants.
Sincerely
Shah Mohamed Green City Cycles Program Manager Evergreen 550 Bayview Ave Suite 300 Toronto ONT M4W 3X8 www.evergreen.ca
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Morrison jonathan@slcbikecollective.org wrote:
Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? http://orontas.com
Sincerely,
Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org
The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.
On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe gzuphoesdown@gmail.com wrote:
Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil.
http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/
On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano mist@strans.org wrote: Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner.
I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube.
-Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula
Michael Wolfe wrote:
Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have
had
issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but
others
don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the full time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation
system,
what options are there to locate that stuff outside?
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