Re: [TheThinkTank] Tool Board Fashion Show: Strut Your (Tool Board's) Stuff!
Hello Thinkers,
The attached image is Pedal Mettle's Community Bike triage tool box in Erie, Pa. I like to upcycle and this bike tool cabinet is a prime example of that. The only new materials are the wood screws to hold it together and a few sheet metal scraps for a tool holders.
This was made from a bathroom sink vanity that was discarded. Basically, I sawed off the rear portion and installed a plywood back. I am not fond of pegboard, simple screws into wood provides a much more stable and more precise location for the tools. The tool hanging board was painted a light color and the tools outline with a black marker.
It has been in use for 6 months and we have found tool loss at an all time low. This box is utilized for tearing down junk bikes so there are some cheap tools in there.
Eric Brozell Pedal Mettle volunteer and Bike Erie BOD
On Jan 21, 2018, at 9:05 AM, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
As a metal smith, ball-peen and claw hammers are used to work harden metal, Crush its crystal structure into a smaller area. It is much better to use a malleable metal hammer (lead, brass) or a rubber dead blow hammer to reduce damage when pounding on metal tools or bike related metal. Never pound on Carbon Fiber anything, or Aluminum, or Titanium. There are special presses and removal tools for those materials that remove the risk of breaking the part and killing the cyclist.
Christopher Wallace Bicycle Guild/ Holistic Cycles 773 490 0683 Oak Park, IL. 60304 (Chicago)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Tool Board Fashion Show: Strut Your (Tool Board's) Stuff! From: cyclista@inventati.org mailto:cyclista@inventati.org Date: Thu, January 18, 2018 6:06 pm To: ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org mailto:ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org, The Think Tank <thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> Cc: Jean-François_Caron <jfcaron3@gmail.com mailto:jfcaron3@gmail.com>
Are there claw hammer in the photos I attached? I looked and couldn't find any :?
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-01-17 22:43, Ron Kellis wrote:
Uh, claw (carpenters) hammer's are not made for banging on metal, ball-peen (machinists) hammers are. I cringe when ever I see one in a shop. Can argue the metal properties all day, but it simply isn't good practice. Same argument as the that for the open end adjustable wrenches and vice-grip style pliers. I like to keep a couple of metal chisels hidden away with the files.
Just my $.02
Ron
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:17 PM, <cyclista@inventati.org mailto:cyclista@inventati.org> wrote:
At our shop we decided a couple of months back to keep the vise grips off the toolboards for these reasons, but we still keep the crescent wrenches around because they tend to be good for bending metal, something we do on the regular for various reasons. We still keep the vise grips around, but in a drawer of specialized tools that keeps them out of sight. Your arguments above are actually pretty good for keeping the crescents off the toolboards as well. The idea isn't to forbid these tools or to lock them up, just to prevent them from being the first thing new participants grab when they start working on something.
Here are some haphazard shots of our toolboards which the organization/program has had for around twenty years. We probably should upgrade them but they work well enough. They're hinged and lock closed because back in the day tools got stolen all the time. Theft happens a lot less now, but the ability to close them makes them useful for portable application.
Josh, I think we have a couple extra empty ones laying around from years ago when we had a lot more sets (we only have three now, we used to have six). If you happen through this part of the state I'd be happy to pass one or two over to you. But honestly they aren't hard to make. Ours do have the advantage of a long history though :)
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-01-16 14:25, Jean-François Caron wrote:
Smitty I tend to apply that logic to pliers & vice-grips too. Bicycle fasteners are usually standardized well-enough that adjustable wrenches (other than the huge ones for headset locknuts maybe?), pliers, and vice-grips are almost always a crutch for not knowing the correct tool to use. A lot of DIY-types get into the habit of using pliers for any type of fastener.
That said, they should be available for weird cases, but guarded by a mechanic.
Jean-François
On Jan 16, 2018, at 07:12 , Smitty <smitty@bikeconcord.org mailto:smitty@bikeconcord.org> wrote:
I notice everyone has an adjustable wrench on their boards. When I apprenticed in another trade I was taught not to use a crescent wrench. When I build the board for our shop, I plan to leave the crescent wrench off of the board. Force the students to use the proper wrench. Thoughts?
On Jan 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Josh Capps <thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmai l.com http://l.com/ <mailto:thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmail.com mailto:thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hi,
I'm not sure this qualifies but a few years back I made a rolling tool board <https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2012/07/26/a-little-hou https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2012/07/26/a-little-hou sekeeping-storing-bike-tools-effectively/>. It may be useful for more dynamic or in transition shops. I did end up making something more permanent eventually but this setup < https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2016/08/07/the-home- https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2016/08/07/the-home- bicycle-workshop/> is a bit much for a student situation.
Josh Capps Portland, OR
On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Sam Haraldson < sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org mailto:sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org <mailto:sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org mailto:sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org>> wrote:
> Hey! We're going to redesign our tool boards soon, and want to > look at > yours for inspiration. Show 'em off! The winner of the most fly > tool board > gets a group serenade at B!B! >
<P1030604.jpg http://p1030604.jpg/> Bozeman Bike Kitchen - Bozeman, MT
We have a half dozen or so of these tables, each with color-coordinated tools, stand, pump, garbage/recycling, et al which makes it easy to see when something's missing or when someone doesn't know where something goes. We copied the idea nearly verbatim from the good people down at the SLC Bike Collective.
<4535740394_3cbdee19dc_b.jpg http://b.jpg/> SLC Bicycle Collective - Salt Lake City, UT
- Sam
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itt: I get lectured about claw hammers, and hammers in general, for no apparent reason
Cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-01-21 14:05, christopher@holisticcycles.com wrote:
As a metal smith, ball-peen and claw hammers are used to work harden metal, Crush its crystal structure into a smaller area. It is much better to use a malleable metal hammer (lead, brass) or a rubber dead blow hammer to reduce damage when pounding on metal tools or bike related metal. Never pound on Carbon Fiber anything, or Aluminum, or Titanium. There are special presses and removal tools for those materials that remove the risk of breaking the part and killing the cyclist.
Christopher Wallace Bicycle Guild/ Holistic Cycles 773 490 0683 Oak Park, IL. 60304 (Chicago)
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Tool Board Fashion Show: Strut Your (Tool Board's) Stuff! From: cyclista@inventati.org Date: Thu, January 18, 2018 6:06 pm To: ron.kellis@velocitycoop.org, The Think Tank thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org Cc: Jean-François_Caron jfcaron3@gmail.com
Are there claw hammer in the photos I attached? I looked and couldn't find any :?
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-01-17 22:43, Ron Kellis wrote:
Uh, claw (carpenters) hammer's are not made for banging on metal, ball-peen (machinists) hammers are. I cringe when ever I see one in a shop.
Can
argue the metal properties all day, but it simply isn't good practice.
Same
argument as the that for the open end adjustable wrenches and
vice-grip
style pliers. I like to keep a couple of metal chisels hidden away
with
the files.
Just my $.02
Ron
On Tue, Jan 16, 2018 at 9:17 PM, cyclista@inventati.org wrote:
At our shop we decided a couple of months back to keep the vise
grips
off the toolboards for these reasons, but we still keep the crescent wrenches around because they tend to be good for bending metal, something
we do
on the regular for various reasons. We still keep the vise grips
around,
but in a drawer of specialized tools that keeps them out of sight.
Your
arguments above are actually pretty good for keeping the
crescents off
the toolboards as well. The idea isn't to forbid these tools or to
lock
them up, just to prevent them from being the first thing new
participants
grab when they start working on something.
Here are some haphazard shots of our toolboards which the organization/program has had for around twenty years. We probably
should upgrade them but they work well enough. They're hinged and lock
closed
because back in the day tools got stolen all the time. Theft
happens a
lot less now, but the ability to close them makes them useful for
portable
application.
Josh, I think we have a couple extra empty ones laying around
from
years ago when we had a lot more sets (we only have three now, we used
to
have six). If you happen through this part of the state I'd be happy
to
pass one or two over to you. But honestly they aren't hard to make. Ours
do
have the advantage of a long history though :)
cyclista Nicholas
On 2018-01-16 14:25, Jean-François Caron wrote:
Smitty I tend to apply that logic to pliers & vice-grips too. Bicycle fasteners are usually standardized well-enough that adjustable wrenches (other than the huge ones for headset locknuts maybe?), pliers, and vice-grips are almost always a crutch for not
knowing the
correct tool to use. A lot of DIY-types get into the habit of
using
pliers for any type of fastener.
That said, they should be available for weird cases, but guarded
by a
mechanic.
Jean-François
On Jan 16, 2018, at 07:12 , Smitty smitty@bikeconcord.org
wrote:
I notice everyone has an adjustable wrench on their boards.
When I
apprenticed in another trade I was taught not to use a crescent
wrench. When I build the board for our shop, I plan to leave the
crescent
wrench off of the board. Force the students to use the proper wrench. Thoughts?
On Jan 15, 2018, at 10:31 PM, Josh Capps <thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmai l.com [1] mailto:thegoodtimesarekillingme@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, > > I'm not sure this qualifies but a few years back I made a
rolling
> tool > board
<https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2012/07/26/a-little-hou
> sekeeping-storing-bike-tools-effectively/>. It may be useful
for
> more > dynamic or in transition shops. > I did end up making something more permanent eventually but
this
> setup < > https://simplicityvintagecycles.com/2016/08/07/the-home- > bicycle-workshop/> is a bit much for a student situation. > > Josh Capps > Portland, OR > > On Mon, Jan 15, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Sam Haraldson < > sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org
mailto:sam@bozemanbikekitchen.org>
> wrote: > >> Hey! We're going to redesign our tool boards soon, and want
to
>> look at >> yours for inspiration. Show 'em off! The winner of the most
fly
>> tool board >> gets a group serenade at B!B! >> > > > <P1030604.jpg [2]> > Bozeman Bike Kitchen - Bozeman, MT > > We have a half dozen or so of these tables, each with > color-coordinated > tools, stand, pump, garbage/recycling, et al which makes it
easy to
> see > when something's missing or when someone doesn't know where > something > goes. We copied the idea nearly verbatim from the good people
down
> at the > SLC Bike Collective. > > <4535740394_3cbdee19dc_b.jpg [3]> > SLC Bicycle Collective - Salt Lake City, UT > > - Sam > > -- > http://bozemanbikekitchen.org http://bozemanbikekitchen.org/ > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here:
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