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bikebike southeast registration open now!
by rachael spiewak 17 Oct '08

17 Oct '08

Hi, everyone! Registration is now open for Bike!Bike! Southeast. Enjoy<http://southeast.bikebike.org/registration>! If you're planning on coming and not ready to fill out the form just yet, please let us know (reply sender!) so we can list you as a participating shop (google maps of participating shops on the way). -rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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On-Topic Please and New Drupal Website for Sibley Bike Depot
by Wilbur Ince 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

Collective Supporters: Let's keep the emails on-topic! We are here to support and sustain each other with ideas and information about Bike Collectives. At The Sibley Bike Depot in Saint Paul, we are implementing a new Drupal 6 powered website. We are using Drupal because it is a powerful platform that allows us to run the calendar, newsletters, etc. We are also using it because we have a few volunteers with Drupal experience and a commitment to help. We are starting from the ground up, developing everything ourselves. We will give updates as we tackle some of the more pressing items like tracking volunteer hours and bike donations/inventory. You can see our new Drupal 6 site here (not quite production ready yet!) http://www.sibleybikedepot.org You can see your current Drupal 5 website here: http://www.bikeped.org If you have questions or want more information, give me a shout! Wilbur Ince Sibley Bike Depot Web Team

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Unsubscribe me
by jill bedford 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

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TIP: Keeping your hands warm in the winter.
by Jonathan Morrison 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

I have been having alot of bicyclists ask me what gloves to buy so that their hands will stay warm in the winter. My response is that there is no glove that will cut it. I used to live and bicycle commute in upstate New York and I tried everything from lobster claws to neoprene without satisfaction. The only thing that works came from my winter motorcycle riding experiences and they are called handlebar guantlets aka "hippo hands." As compared to bulky gloves that prevent dexterity, hippo hands surround your handlebars and allow you to use a thin pair of summer gloves and not feel cold. They keep the wind off you while your hands heat up the space inside. Your hands may even sweat. Yes, they may look funny, but if they can keep the hands of a motorcyclist (and snowmobilers) flying at 75 mph warm in the dead of winter -- the bicycle is a logical crossover. Jill Homer, of Juneau, Alaska, rode her bicycle in the Iditarod Trail International — 350 miles of wintry pedaling over tough terrain. Note the hippo hands she is using in this NPR article: http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=16314506 This will only work on flat bars, not sure what to suggest about drop bars, except it was rumored someone was promoting a commerical version for drops this year at Interbike (www.interbike.com). Here are some at overstock.com that might work: http://www.overstock.com/Sports-Toys/Insulated-ATV-Handlebar-Gauntlet/30827… Here is the company that bought the hippo hand name, the originals (which you can get on ebay) were made by craig vetter from 1971-1978: http://www.hippohands.com/ -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison c: 801-688-0183

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unsubscribe me please!!
by Allegra Brace 16 Oct '08

16 Oct '08

please take me off the mailing list thanks erin brace

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reschedule bikebike southeast so it won't conflict with inauguration?
by rachael spiewak 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

Hi, everyone. Bike!Bike! Southeast is scheduled for the weekend following the presidential inauguration. Some of our volunteers already have DC travel plans, whatever the results may be. Said uncertain results might have some bearing on what other potential BBSE participants want to do with their time that week, too. The events don't completely overlap, but there's a possible scheduling conflict there. So, if there is a reasonable amount of interest in pushing BBSE back a week to accommadate whatever inauguration plans people have, we have no problem with that. You can reply sender so we don't clog up inboxes. Thanks! Rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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(no subject)
by Elijah Evans 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

please unsubscribe me as well! Elijah Evans Earn-A-Bike and Instructor Training Coordinator Bikes Not Bombs ~ 284 Amory Street Jamaica Plain, MA 02130 617-522-0222 x 600 617-522-0922 (fax)

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tap & die
by Macho Philipovich 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

a couple of local buy & sell type websites have people selling used tap & die sets. some metric. some not. one, for example, says "sizes NC/NF 3,4,5,6,7,8,10,12, 1/8 pipe tap. 16 taps and 18 dies." would any of this be usable on any bike part at our shop if i buy it? just throwing this out there. macho

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unsubscribe me
by al ness 15 Oct '08

15 Oct '08

please unsubscribe me from your mailing list.

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anyone have any really great photos from Bike Bike SF?
by free ride 14 Oct '08

14 Oct '08

Mine aren't working out. Need them to be print quality. if they're on flickr that's great. later. -erok

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Bylaw Drafting Help
by reno bikes 14 Oct '08

14 Oct '08

To Whom It May Concern: The Reno Bike Project, a non-profit, community-based organization in Reno, Nevada, is in the process of drafting bylaws. The Reno Bike Project is committed to producing an outlet that will encourage all forms of cycling, including personal health, alternative transportation, cycling activism, as well as cycling arts and culture throughout the Reno/Truckee Meadows area. Our goal is to make Reno a more eco-friendly, healthy, culturally rich and communal city through cycling awareness and improved resources. www.blog.renobikeproject.com We are hoping that some similar organizations might share their own corporate bylaws so we can get an idea of what people are using, what works, what doesn't. Any information you can offer would be appreciated. Thanks! Gabriel Urza Reno Bike Project Board of Directors -- www.renobikeproject.com Wed-Sat 12-6pm 541 E. 4th Street. Reno, NV 89512 775.323.4488

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Bicycle Zines...welcome here
by Geoffrey B 12 Oct '08

12 Oct '08

Hello all cycling folk. Please to inform you that there will be a home for any zines willing to be sent to Canada. Toronto's Bike Pirates hopes to lend a hand at the circulation and publication of any compiled zines about cycling with a reading room/library. Please play a part and help circulate zines about bikes and bike trips. Send us a line with your experiences with zines and cycling at... Bike Pirates Toronto, Canada 1292 Bloor Street W. M6H 1N9 We pirates will share, sending you a packet of zines we have complied. Geoffrey B -- "You must be the change you would like to see in the world." - Gandhi

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list request
by Macho Philipovich 11 Oct '08

11 Oct '08

hey folks. can people sending large attachments (like, >1M) please post them on the web somewhere (maybe the wiki?) and post a link? my feeble email account bottoms out at 15M and then blocks me from sending/receiving email and it's a real hassle. thanks! macho

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unsubscribe
by Robert Priestley 11 Oct '08

11 Oct '08

Please unsubscribe this email addy. Awesome to be part of the community- but not interested in getting a copy of every email. Thanks Bob

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bikebike final numbers?
by rachael spiewak 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Heya, BikeBike organizers! How many people officially registered and how much money was raised? We're crunching Bike Bike Southeast <http://southeast.bikebike.org> numbers, and that info would be very helpful! -rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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I'd like to sign up for your bike collectives email list
by Rich Points 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

Collectives, I like keeping up on what other bike collectives are doing and how they're communicating it their constituents via email. I've signed up to some of your email announcement lists and I'd like to sign up for more. Please send me your sign up pages or email addresses. Thanks -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Education/Clinic curriculum?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 09 Oct '08

09 Oct '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Everyone. This thread is great! Thank you for all the wonderful information. I have a slightly different bike education challenge. A lovely gym teacher at Assumption Catholic High School wants to work with me, and with some of my other bike dork friends, and with some of her collegues who teach other subjects, to develop a bike related curriculum for the school at large (and perhaps to be used at other kits)-- it will have: -- a gym component -- a shop class bit (bike repair, maybe bike building) -- an art class section (both an art history section and actual creative work with a bike theme-- art bikes, bike related art, etc.) -- units for geography, history, science... -- and can you think of anything else that would be good? Does anyone have ideas about things we should put in it? I am reminded of the lovely "bicycle thinker" notion from earlier e-mails-- is there a possible high school unit on bicycle thinkers waiting to be written? Has someone already written it? If we can end up with an integrated bike-related curriculum that fits with the government mandated curriculum, we are going to be pretty happy. It will take us a while to develop this, but we have started already. If anyone else is doing this or has done it, please get in touch. I am so happy to be part of this community. thank you all for doing such cool and needed work. Thank you. Sasha On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 01:37:22 -0400 John Gatlin <johngatlin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Dave, >I stand corrected. However, how do you get to that page from their >main >site? Perhaps their reorganization of the website confused me. >Anyway, it's >an excellent resource that ought to be in any shop's files. Thanks >for >finding it. > >Drew > >On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 11:59 PM, Dave Bourgeois ><stdaveb(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> Bikes Not Bombs is still posting the manual here: >> >> http://www.bikesnotbombs.org/EarnABike >> >> Note this just above the download links: >> >> "We make our training manual available for people wanting to run >youth >> bicycle programs in other places. This is the mechanics manual >we use >> to train the volunteers who will become assistant teachers in >> Earn-A-Bike." >> >> I'm guessing BNB won't get upset if we use their copyrighted >manual to >> teach adults as well as youth. >> >> Dave Bourgeois >> Bici Centro >> Santa Barbara, CA >> http://www.bicicentro.org/ >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:50 PM, John Gatlin ><johngatlin(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> > Hey all, >> > >> > Along the line of instructor sheets, I was able to obtain a >copy of Bike >> Not >> > Bombs' Instructor Training Manual before they took it off the >web-- >> > the one they use in their Instructor Training Course. It is 13 >chapters, >> all >> > in .pdf, and very well put together with clear language (the >copy I have >> is >> > in english) and nice drawings. However, I'm not sure I feel >comfortable >> in >> > handing it out since they have stopped sharing it. Is a >representative >> from >> > Bike Not Bombs on this list? If so, would your organization >feel >> comfortable >> > if I submitted this to the wiki? If not, what do y'all think? >In the >> > interest of collaboration and team spirit I'd love to share >it, but I >> > definitely didn't develop this manual and it has a copyright >clearly on >> each >> > page. >> > >> > So, BNB, are you out there? Lemme know. >> > >> > Drew @ Back In The Saddle >> > 512.573.0408 >> > >> > On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 8:43 PM, Ryan Guzy <ryanguzy(a)gmail.com> >wrote: >> >> >> >> We just started an advanced maintenance class at Bike >Saviours in Tempe, >> >> AZ. We're targeting people who are potential volunteers. The >goal is to >> show >> >> the general principles so that they can work on any bike they >come >> across, >> >> and also so that they can begin to teach others. The class >will get them >> >> exposed to all of the maintenance aspects, and we envision >them working >> as >> >> assistant mechanics during our shop hours to gain experience >after the >> class >> >> session is over. >> >> We wrote some instructor sheets over the past few months and >have been >> >> teaching off of them. Right now I have them on Google Docs >and I plan on >> >> putting them on the Wiki. I'd like to gather material and >make handouts >> to >> >> go with each class too. Right now we're just using the same >sheet as a >> >> handout even though it is kind of dense. >> >> I have also been talking to Christine at Bici Centro about >working on >> >> a curriculum together. She is working on some good material >for a basic >> >> class. I've also seen other material out there that has good >diagrams >> that >> >> are free to use. >> >> I think if we can gather interested people to collaborate >online we can >> >> put out some really good material that we can all use. >> >> --Ryan >> >> >> >> On Tue, Oct 7, 2008 at 3:24 PM, Boson Au <boson.au(a)gmail.com> >wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Hi everyone, Boson from Baltimore, MD's Velocipede Bike >Project... >> >>> >> >>> First of all, @ bike!bike! the education-related workshops >were the one >> >>> that inspired/interested me the most. We got back and the >first thing >> I >> >>> want to kick-start was our clinic program which had be >suspended due to >> a >> >>> multitude of reasons... anyways... >> >>> >> >>> so we're about to reinstate our bike clinic series >(previously we had >> one >> >>> person do ALL the teaching and she's about to leave out of >town for 3 >> months >> >>> so we've decided that we're going to try to have a group of >educators >> rotate >> >>> classes) and I'm interested in any organizations that hold >regular >> >>> classes... This isn't exactly a youth program but more like >a general >> >>> public thing. We do have a curriculum, but I'm kind of >interested in >> other >> >>> project's solutions. If any project has their own >curriculum set up >> and >> >>> want to trade/compare notes that'd be so awesome. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Thethinktank mailing list >> >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >> >>> leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >>> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >> >>> >> >>> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Thethinktank mailing list >> >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >> >> leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >> >> >> >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> >> >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Thethinktank mailing list >> > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >> leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >> > To manage your subscription, plase visit: >> > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >> leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjs0psACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlnXQCeJqhkGw0XMCYwdVXYgvlBfWuDoSoA oIqcj+uvQackPhdsDazBSLRY+q/7 =vqSU -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Education/Clinic curriculum? Bike Not Bombs?
by Bikes Not Bombs 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Hello Think Tank! Arik here from Bikes Not Bombs in Boston. I've been on the list since it started but I only find time to check in occasionally and briefly. (and I think maybe someone administering Think Tank just subscribed some more of our staff members to the list ... ) First off, the Instructor Training manual we use to prepare our teachers to run Earn-A-Bike ... sorry it was off our website for awhile at the end of last year but it is back up now. I'm glad that you found it, and YES that is meant to share. Make copies, make use of it for any good purpose, just make sure to keep our name with the materials. Dave gave the URL but here it is again: http:// www.bikesnotbombs.org/EarnABike Someone else mentioned the YBEN site (Youth Bicycle Education Network) http://www.yben.org, which has been a great place for resources, but the site is currently down. Hopefully it will be back up soon. Recycle-A-Bicycle (RAB) in NYC is managing YBEN now, right? Our Instructor Training manual is focused on mechanics lesson plans, so it combines well with RAB's manuals which cover other, non- mechanics issues of running a youth program, at http:// recycleabicycle.org/resources/publications. We've just recently had two short documentary movies made about BNB by some motivated volunteers. You can see them online at http:// www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRzSvVXVYrM and http://vimeo.com/1706577 , but note that the one on Vimeo will probably stutter - we'll be moving it to YouTube soon and also embedding on our website. We ALMOST sent two staff members to Bike!Bike! this year: Elijah Evans our Earn-A-Bike Coordinator (and originally a graduate of the program himself many years ago), and Jasmine Laietmark is our director of Grassroots Fundraising & Events. Then last minute we balked at buying the plane tickets. We've had some dreams that we would love to offer to host a Bike!Bike here in Boston in some future year, but don't quote me on that. It is really inspiring to know that there is a network of bike groups out there, and we would LOVE to be more involved. But we had to move 2 years ago, took on debt for our new space, took our full-service bike shop to 6 days a week, we're processing 5,500 donated bikes a year and sending trainers to Africa to start new programs, supporting our existing partners in Guatemala, Nevis Island, South Africa, Ghana, Tanzania, developing an appropriate technology working group to help spread knowledge about pedal-power designs, running Earn-A-Bike, summer youth programs, girls programs here, barely staying involved in official bike advocacy at the city level ... getting bigger and catching up with our growth ... basically we're overcommitted to everything we're already doing so it is hard to find any time to connect with this network. We're starting a new phase of updating and improving our website, and maybe we'll be able to post more resources. The applications for programs that we usualyl have up for downloading can be useful to see how programs are structured. It would be interesting to know what people most want to know that BNB would be better at answering than other groups. Also if we're not so active on this list, you can email our staff directly - use the website to find the right person to ask. We can often accommodate visitors from other programs to sit in on activities and learn here - let us know if you want to visit. As to the nonprofit question, here's a quick answer. Bikes Not Bombs started in 1984 as a volunteer-run solidarity effort with the people of Nicaragua when the Reagan administration was funding and running the Contra war, and the work was all in Nicaragua developing bike projects with donated bikes collected in the States. In 1991 we started youth programs in Boston. In 1994 we got our own physical space and added a teen-job training bike shop open a few days a week, and also started paying two staff - at that point we became an official nonprofit, and have developed that way ever since. In December 2006 we moved a few blocks and split into 2 spaces: the Bike Shop now has its own space and is open 6 full days a week and is employing 15 people, in addition to our Hub staff of 7 running the international work, youth programs, administration, plus the 8 teens who work part-time as assistant teachers in the youth programs (this is a new exciting development - more and more . We probably have 300 people who plug in as volunteers at some point in any given year. Over half our budget is the Bike Shop, which covers it's own expenses thru sales and service and makes profit that goes into supporting the youth program and international work. The rest of our budget is raised through a small amount of grant income, and much more significantly by the two to three thousand people who make a donation to support BNB in any given year. OK! -Arik Grier Outreach Coordinator, Office Manager Bikes Not Bombs 617-522-0222 www.bikesnotbombs.org ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2008 15:08:14 -0600 From: "Jonathan Morrison" <jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Education/Clinic curriculum? Bike Not Bombs? To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Message-ID: <4dd29fd10810081408q64d37233u14dbb1fc08b6454(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is no question there is a tremendous amount of information that the 130+ organizations on this list could use from well established groups like Bikes not Bombs and the Community Cycling Center. The question is, what do we have to offer them? At a minimum it would be good to interview some of the longer standing members of each of these organizations and figure out what hard decisions they had to make and what the out come was. One thing I have observed with some of the larger organizations is that they went more in the direction of a traditional non-profit. I would be curious to find out if it started out that way, or if that was an active choice. -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households. On Wed, Oct 8, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Rich Points <rich(a)richpoints.com> wrote: So, BNB, are you out there? Lemme know. I'm curious why BNB isn't present on the Think Tank or at Bike Bike! I can think of some other groups like the Community Cycling Center in Portland. These are groups that are way more established than most of us and have a lot to offer. I think the communications we have here and at Bike Bike are what makes us a movement and these more established groups should be part of our conversations/discussions. How can we get these groups involved? Rich Community Cycles ___________________

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leave-
by Beth Mort 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

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Tool List with Pictures
by Maggie Burrus-Granger 08 Oct '08

08 Oct '08

Does anyone have or know of any handouts with a list of bike shop tools with pictures or pictures of tools with the names next to them? Thanks -- Maggie Burrus-Granger Recycle-a-Bike 27 Sims Ave. Providence, RI 401.273.7101 www.recycleabike.org

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Fwd: tax break for cyclists??
by adam schwartz 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

hey dudes, so apparently in all the bullshit in that "bailout bill", there was a gem for us bike commuters... http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/10/bailout-for-bikes.php the clause doesnt apply till after december 31, but this means that we can get up to 20 bucks a month for bicycle maintenance if we regularly use our bikes to work...sweet! spread the word. christian -- Adam Schwartz Program Coordinator, The Engaged University Center For Educational Partnership 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD adamgs(a)umd.edu (301) 405-3213 Adam Schwartz Co-Founder, Green Guild Biodiesel Coop adam(a)greenguildbiodiesel.org (301)275-2362

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Addressing incidents from last year's BikeBike!
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Dave. It takes courage to do the sort of introspection you've clearly done, and courage to apologize the way you just have. I was not there when you stepped over the line, and I didn't even know you had until I read this post, but I was pleased that you wrote it and impressed that you had done so, also. Thank you. Everyone has someone they wish had written to them the way you have just written to this community; it is nice to read such an apology, just to know that people do face themselves and take responsibility sometimes. Many of us probably have someone we should go back and write to. The positive way I felt about you reading this made me want to call an old friend whose feelings I know I hurt. So, your letter was encouraging in two ways. Thanks for writing it. Sasha On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:53:51 -0400 Dave Caz <pwloffice(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Hey all, > >My name is Dave, and I was asked to address a situation I created >at last year's bikebike before attending the current conference, >and after consideration, I wholeheartedly agree with the request >and apologize it was not done sooner. > >Last year, at the bikebike party, I drank quite heavily and >crossed major boundaries of people I never met. I created a very >uncomfortable situation for people just trying to have a good >time. I was responsible for making people feel threatened for >their safety and space they deserved. I apologize for turning a >people's night to celebrate into a bad memory for some. > >I can not say for sure what happened exactly, because I was too >intoxicated to recall a large portion of that night, but the >second hand accounts of my actions blew my mind. I have never >acted in such a horrific way, nor have EVER considered to do the >audacious things I did to people that eve. > >But I am responsible for my actions, drunk or not, and in no way >excuse what I did. I owed it to the people who worked so hard to >make bikebike! a success that year, to the visitors, conference >members and all in attendance, to manage myself in a respectful >manner, and I blew it. I am sorry. > >This year I promise to show the utmost control over my person as >to never ever ever ever make people feel the way I did. I >frequently dwell on the facts of what happened, and it is a burden >I will have to live with, but live with AND change from it to >never allow it to happen again. I will not be drinking >before/during/after anything going on in the next potential >FOREVER, and will also not be attending the celebration going on >this year or next. > >All I ask is that you take me for who I am, and not the monster I >was. I am truly sorry and understand that if I now have a bad >reputation with you, I earned every bit of it, but I am trying to >redeem myself. > >Sending this to 2 giant list-servs is not easy for me, but it is >something I am doing to come clean to everyone. Hoping that >people not expect a repeat from me, and encouraging others to >police their actions and not lose control as I did. Remember a >lot of people got their shit together and busted their collective >asses to make this awesome thing happen. > >If you wish to talk to me about this, please come find me and >we'll chat. >I'm trying to learn from this as best as possible. > > >Thanks to everyone for not blacklisting me and giving me a second >chance. >Again, I am truly sorry, and hope you can get past my past, as I >am trying to do the same. > >peace, >Milwaukee Dave. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Thethinktank mailing list >Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >To unsubscribe, send a blank email to leave- >TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >To manage your subscription, plase visit: >http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjrymYACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRkicACeMD6fIe1J8ZLaxbHPwuB6yxCz6PYA mgPsrZG+7Z+mFhTOYDQZUQ7RGBwu =sVPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question
by Bob Giordano 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

11-3 for free cycles missoula. works well, though we ususally stay open til 5pm informally. -Bob g. Jonathan Morrison wrote: > In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on > Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? -- Bob Giordano Free Cycles Missoula Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, 541.7284 3PM-7PM Mon-Thurs & 11AM-3PM Sat Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406-880-6834

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Election do's and don'ts for non-profits
by Urban Bike Project Wilmington, DE 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

For all those with 501(c)3 status, this election guide<http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/bikeadvocacy/election.php#nonprofits>from the League of American Bicyclists was just posted on Thunderhead listserv and I thought I'd share it with you all as well. Brian Windle P.S. For newer members of the list: check out the Bike Collective Wiki<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page>first before posting to the list, lot's of good information is just waiting for you there! Bike Collective Starter Kit<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bike_Collective_Starter…> Shop Locations<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shop_Locations>(Finding space for your shop) -- Urban Bike Project of Wilmington -a 501(c)3 non-profit bike shop- 1908 N. Market Street (entrance is in the parking lot behind the building) Wilmington, DE 19801 Hours: Thursday 6:30-9:00 Saturday 1:00-4:00 Visit us online at http://urbanbikeproject.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question
by troy neiman 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

At bicas we are open from 12-6pm every sat. and have a build a bike class that is usually from 1-4pm that runs simultaneously to our open shop. This requires 4 staff for the shop and 2 teachers for the class. Saturday is with out a doubt our busiest day for shop use, community service, and work traders. Its almost always overwhelming for us but works really well for the general public. Troy @ BICAS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Morrison" <jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:51:47 -0600 > > > In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on > Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? > > -- > Sincerely, > > Jonathan Morrison > Executive Director > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > 2312 S. West Temple > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > w: 801-328-2453 > c: 801-688-0183 > f: 801-466-3856 > www.slcbikecollective.org > > Get Addicted to Crank! > http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ > > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling > as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone > of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides > refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on > children and lower income households. > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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A catchy name for "women's night"?
by Alex Rosenblatt 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Hey all, Alex here from Recycle Ithaca's Bicycles in Ithaca, NY. We're currently reorganizing and overhauling shop logistics and we're looking for a catchy name for our "women's night." We want to stray away from that name because the night is not exclusively women but instead a place where women and transpeople are the active shop leaders. Any names catchy or appropriate names that you use or come to mind? Thanks, Alex

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Bike Storage Racks and Other Solutions
by Sam Santos 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

I'm a member and volunteer at The Bike Project of Urbana-Champaign. Due to a recent donation of abandoned bikes from the local university, we are dealing with some space problems. Space has always been an issue, but this new donation makes it plainly obvious that we need to build something that will allow us to store bikes a bit better than our current non-solution of leaning them against each other. I'm certain other co-ops and collectives have run into this issue, and I would love to hear how you solved it. If you built some cool storage rack, shelf, hanging thing or whatever, I would be incredibly interested to hear about that. I would be even happier if you could describe how you built it or had pictures of the finished structure. No point in re-inventing the wheel here. If there is a great solution that can be built cheaply, I'm all for it. Thanks... and have fun at BikeBike. Wish I could be there as it sounds like an awesome time. --sam

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designer bike helmets
by adam schwartz 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

One of our ongoing challenges at the Renaissance Youth Bike Shop is getting kids to wear helmets. All participants in our programs are required to wear helmets, but influencing the youth culture is difficult, where helmets are considered even by most adults in our community, non-essential and un-cool. Our idea is to work with a local graffiti artist to create our own line of designer helmets. We would sell these helmets as a fundraiser, both in our shop and at our local bike shop. Has anyone any experience with customizing helmets or bikes? I am thinking the BMX style helmets would work best as a surface area to paint. Pictures to come. Also, see a pic of our recent mural installed at the shop, painted by students and their art teacher at nearby middle school. -- Adam Schwartz Program Coordinator, The Renaissance Youth Bike Shop Center For Educational Partnership 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD adamgs(a)umd.edu (301) 405-3213

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Saturday Hours Question
by Jonathan Morrison 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.

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bulk universal derailleur cables
by rachael spiewak 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Does anyone have a preferred brand or source for a filebox of universal (double ended) derailleur cables. We're *this close* to having a distributor account, which will probably solve the problem, but in the meantime, our people, they need to shift gears. One source we use sends them individually bagged, which is dumb (we reuse the bags, of course, but we don't need that many). JensonUSA and BikepartsUSA are lacking in photos and descriptions, and when I call them, they give me different information from the people at Pyramid and Jagwire. I'm starting to think that the world is consipring against DIY bike repair, also made evident by the complete elusiveness of Park Tool FR-2 in this town. One retailer asked why in the world we might need that tool...it's for OLD bikes. Well you see, sir... Anyway, any info on a filebox of 2-ended shifter cables would be marvelous. -rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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drugs, alcohol and our mission
by John Boyer 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Now I realize this is not going to win alot of people over but here goes anyways! I am strongly opposed to a slack, go with the flow, biochemical personality run environment for our cause. Let me explain, My collective exploded recently due directly and indirectly to a paranoid environment that split the group into 2 groups and cost us alot of time finance and momentum. "the new reality crew"" banded together with a constant flow of weed use and subsequent paranoia. The following attacks on those that didnt party literally spun off alot of good people. The few that questioned the devisiveness of this""know best" group were then railroaded out by smear campaigns induced by the amount of weed smoked on a daily basis. I truly feel we will never overcome the barriers ahead of us if we create a place where drug use is the common denominator in the collective movement. This call out is not an anti drug message. Im the first to open a bottle of wine after a long day of riding and wrenching. Its just a call out that we can do better when we are all rooted in the reality that we have a lot of work ahead of us. Here in the States the car rules right now and we will have to do a better job united and communicating effectively to change our reality to a bike friendly world. Be steadfast in creating an environment friendly to all walks of life and ability and we all win. Thanks for your time reading this.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

I think this is an issue of not having a clear vision and agreed upon boundaries on the get go. I brought this up at the Consensus workshop at BikeBike and no one heard me. If the collective is the goal then members should be meticulous and thorough creating clear consensus to establish a vision that eliminates these issues prior to schisms and splits. It takes time given the structure of decision making. There is no short cuts. In an entity that is a decentralized collective the process takes as long as it takes for all to be heard, understand and all to make a choice. No one said it was easy. I wish you well and applaud your sharing a real issue. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:10 AM, <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org>wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. drugs, alcohol and our mission (John Boyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Boyer <worldbfree2b(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] drugs, alcohol and our mission > To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <221816.14863.qm(a)web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Now I realize this is not going to win alot of people over but here goes > anyways!?I am strongly opposed to a slack, go with the flow, biochemical > personality run?environment for our cause.? Let me explain,? My collective > exploded recently?due directly and indirectly?to a paranoid environment that > split the group into 2 groups and cost us alot of time finance and > momentum.? "the new reality crew"" banded together with a constant flow of > weed use and subsequent paranoia.? The following attacks on those that didnt > party literally spun off alot of good people. The few that questioned the > devisiveness of this""know best" group were then railroaded out by smear > campaigns induced by the amount of weed smoked on a?daily basis.??I truly > feel we will never? overcome the?barriers ahead of us if we create a place > where drug use is?the common denominator in the collective movement. > > ? This call out is not an anti drug message. Im the first to?open a bottle > of wine after a long day of riding and wrenching.? Its just?a call out that > we can do better when we are all rooted in the reality that we have a lot of > work ahead of us.??Here in the?States the car rules right now?and we will > have to do a better job united and communicating effectively?to change > our?reality to a bike friendly world. > > Be?steadfast in creating an environment friendly to all walks of life and > ability?and we all win. > > Thanks for your time reading this.?????? >

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bike bike
by tom emm 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of pizza in the city by the bay?

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Unsubscibe
by wind＠riseup.net 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Please unsubscribe me from the list. thanx Justin

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Cranksgiving
by Patrick VDT 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

We have found Cranksgiving to be a great project. Cranksgiving equals Teaching the kids about giving back to the community. Volunteers get a chance to relax and have fun Chance to show the shop off to people who otherwise would not stop by. Lots of media PR Another Interaction with other Non-profits So we have multiple routes for different abilities and separate out the race portion to a completely different day, this allows everyone to come hang out, not just the urban hipsters. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77602109@N00/sets/72157603248547348/ This year we are going to have 300 riders = about 4800 food items P Http://www.stlbikeworks.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:58:17 -0700 From: bikedadlien(a)yahoo.com To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Hello Patrick: Welcome aboard. Checked out your website and it looks great!!! I like the idea of Cranksgiving. Way cool. Bruce -- Hello from Stl, just signed up for the list and looking forward to meeting everyone Http://www.stlbikeworks.com Patrick Van Der Tuin See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5…

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Last call for bikebike Tshirts
by troy neiman 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

We are going to do a small run of bikebike t-shirts for anyone that is interested. They will be 2 color prints on new, 100% cotton, USA union made shirts and mailed to you at a cost of $18. Available in black, red, or grey. If you are interested please e-mail Dwight directly at orders(a)peacesupplies.org no later that Oct. 10th with the size and color that you would like. Printed by Peace Supplies in Tucson, AZ lots of other great bike swag available at peacesupplies.org love peace and bicycle grease troy@bicas -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Starting a coop bike shop
by Tony DiLorenzo 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

I'm considering starting a coop shop here in San Diego. Is there a document out there that gives steps on how to get one setup? Thanks -- Tony DiLorenzo Executive Director Forward Motion Foundation 858-345-2327 www.forwardmotionfoundation.org

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meeting protocal and questions about programming
by maintenence collective 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

Hey from Bike Farm in PDX, We recently had our first meeting back from Bike!bike! and it was incredibly successful. At meetings we usually allow beer-drinking, and its not a huge deal, though has been in the past. This last meeting I noticed someone passing around a pipe. Though that doesn't bother me as an individual, it was slightly distracting and could be a little off-putting to new volunteers (we had 4 newbies at the meeting). What do other shops have as policies surrounding illegal substances..... what about legal substances? Also, we're doing some winter programming and came up with a "winter weatherization class". Does anyone have a ciriculum for this sort of thing.. (ie. best types of tires in the rain, fenders, lights, how to be safe in crappy weather etc). Any other one-to two day classes would be helpful.... and does anyone know of a particular company who might donate, like 30 fenders to us? thanks for all your help!, RaRa

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

BikeBike, Was fabulous and real! I am teeming with ideas and energy from being there. I applaud the organizers who worked their asses off to make it great on a very human level; people who are doers and clear thinkers! Bravo to you all! The world improves one bike at a time! Cheers, Gary On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:49 PM, <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org>wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. bike bike (tom emm) > 2. Re: bike bike (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) > 3. Re: bike bike - Advocacy (Rich Points) > 4. Re: meeting protocal and questions about programming > (Macho Philipovich) > 5. Re: bike bike (Forrest Cutrer) > 6. Re: bike bike (Bruce Lien) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:30:41 -0400 > From: "tom emm" <tom48236(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <ff627a300810021330l3fe419f7sfcba97eae7d783a(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > pizza in the city by the bay? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:36:55 -0600 > From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <53e5a1720810021336j324ed48dt15f48fffc3e382c3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get > back from san francisco... > > in the best way possible, of course. > > josh. > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > > pizza in the city by the bay? > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > >

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Starting your own?
by Mark Rehder 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

I was asked off-list for advice in getting a bike collective started and keeping it going, and after sending I thought it might be helpful to post it to the list. Mark +++++++++++ Getting one started can be tough. Our shop had some problems getting going, and a similar shop opened this year in another part of town and we've been helping them keep their spirits up while they struggle. The big challenges are: - finding an affordable space (you'll need lots of room for all the bikes and parts) - ability to pay rent while getting things ramped up and income happening - getting insurance For our shop, we started out in donated spaces, but those got taken away as the landlords found paying tenants. After losing our second such space we realized we needed to pay rent and stay in the same location, otherwise it's hard to attract volunteers and customers when they can't trust that you'll stay open. But then the money thing comes in. And landlords don't always like to rent to one person for some vague bicycle collective. We lucked out by approaching a public interest research group (PIRG) on one of the campuses here and became one of their working groups. So they signed the lease for us, and after much wrangling let us have our own bank account. Affiliating with them turned us into a legal entity, so we could get both that bank account as well as insurance. But we still needed some funding to tide us over. We filed a grant application with a local funding org. and were able to get a two-year operating grant, with the provision that we be self-sustaining at the end of the two years. Once again being part of the PIRG made this happen, as there was no way the funder would just give our little collective money without someone taking legal responsibility. So the PIRG got the money and disbursed it to us at regular intervals. In the end it worked out great for us. The PIRG more or less left us alone, especially once they saw how hard we worked, and that we had achieved the self-sustainability within the first year (that made the 2nd year's grant money just extra cash in the band for us). We're still affiliated with them, and have not had to ask anyone for money since that first grant (grant applications, and then the follow- up reports, are a big pain in the butt). We've built up (and maintain) a year's operating expense in the bank in case anything goes wrong, and in terms of our various numbers we've grown each year. One thing we had to do with the grant was track some numbers, since they'd want to see some "results". So we kept track of the number of bikes sold and recycled (scrapped), number of people served, volunteer hours, that sort of thing. And we kept that up after the grant was done, and this has been very useful in helping us identify how the shop gets used. Each year a report is produced and we see how the numbers may have changed, specially if we'd implemented a policy or changed an old one. For instance in 2004 we had approx. 630 people use our shop, and we processed about 150 bikes. In 2005 we moved to a larger room in the same building and those numbers jumped to 1000 and 200 respectively, and by 2007 it was 1500 and 400! If nothing else it showed us that we were on the right track with our operations. About our shop: - We have only one paid person (me) and at that I only get a monthly honourarium (and I worked as Director for four years on a volunteer basis before requesting it). - We sell two different levels of bikes. Fully overhauled, from around $100 to $200, and As Is, meaning safety checked and all systems working but not rebuilt, for $40 and up. Bare frames for projects go from free on up. - Most parts aside from wheels are $1 to $10, but of course the really nice goodies (and we don't get a lot of those) are kept in a locked display case and priced accordingly. My personal opinion is that you should somehow find some funding to get you started, but avoid it after that if at all possible. This way you don't have to answer to anyone beyond your landlord. If you wish to run programs that cannot be self-sustaining just keep in mind that time and energy will have to be spent finding the ongoing funding and maintaining it, and you'll be at the whims of the funding orgs. If you start making a profit (your income exceeds your expenses) then perhaps that would be a good time to look into such projects.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie
by troy neiman 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but worth tracking it down. Troy @ BICAS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 > > > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. > Steve Davis > Seven Hills School > 700 Hoover Lane > Nevada City, CA 95959 > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: > > > 1. E.T. all throughout. > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, > > she's like 13 years old > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was promiscuous > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the > > bike bloomers! > > 6. I second 2 seconds. > > > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, > > wish I was there!! > > > > XX > > Kimchi > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt <annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Thethinktank mailing list > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- Kim Jensen > > > > Studio > > la (213) 482 76 62 > > www.fleurstudio.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie (cedric@holycitybikecoop.org)
by Holy City Bike Co-op 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Speaking of movies on bikes, I'm thinking more and more about bicycles as a way to provide a broader message. As a mode of transportation that respects its environment (both physical and human), they are ideal catalysts for social change. And that is probably why bike co-ops make sense. Anyhow, it's been wonderfully informative to follow the list. I look forward in further participation as we grow. We also anticipate the Bike Bike Southeast! to be wonderful. Maybe we could volunteer to teach a mechanic's class, or something like that (brakes, chain, tires)? Bikes! Cedric cedric(a)holycitybikecoop.org --- On Tue, 9/30/08, thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> wrote: From: thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26 To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:01 PM Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: favorite bike movie (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) 2. Re: favorite bike movie (rachael spiewak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:16 -0600 From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Message-ID: <53e5a1720809301136ob88fdah74942bb5e7cbdb48(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" is anyone else interested in trading--ahem--sharing movies with the group? most of the ones i've got are more mainstream--breaking away, american flyers, triplets, etc--but i'd be into expanding our library for movie nights and such. strictly for "educational" purposes, of course. i guess email me off the list if you're interested. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Boson Au <boson.au(a)gmail.com> wrote: > oh man a bike ride => bike movie night sounds awesome... I wanna run this > by some peeps here and make it happen. > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, <veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> speaking of so bad they're good horror movies with bikes, "blood trails"<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805185/>is pretty awful. the description totally oversells it, but it's got a great >> scene with the villian killing someone by table topping his sprocket into >> someone's neck. you know, cos everyone rides a bike with razor sharp >> chainwheels. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, troy neiman <troyneiman(a)myself.com>wrote: >> >>> We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in >>> Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. >>> >>> You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews >>> http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm >>> >>> more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD >>> CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film >>> spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten >>> teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car >>> full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but >>> worth tracking it down. >>> >>> Troy @ BICAS >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> >>> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie >>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 >>> > >>> > >>> > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great >>> > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. >>> > Steve Davis >>> > Seven Hills School >>> > 700 Hoover Lane >>> > Nevada City, CA 95959 >>> > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us >>> > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: >>> > >>> > > 1. E.T. all throughout. >>> > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko >>> > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. >>> > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right >>> > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, >>> > > she's like 13 years old >>> > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was >>> promiscuous >>> > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the >>> > > bike bloomers! >>> > > 6. I second 2 seconds. >>> > > >>> > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in >>> > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, >>> > > wish I was there!! >>> > > >>> > > XX >>> > > Kimchi >>> > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt < >>> annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Thethinktank mailing list >>> > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- Kim Jensen >>> > > >>> > > Studio >>> > > la (213) 482 76 62 >>> > > www.fleurstudio.com >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Be Yourself @ mail.com! >>> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >

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Thanks
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Kitchen and Bike Church and all involved, Thank you for all of your hard work. I am inspired by your efforts and feel very fortunate to have been able to participate in Bike!Bike! I met a ton of great people with clear minds energetically involved in creating a better world through cycling and service. As a new person to decentralized cycling collectives and community cycling initiatives I have come away filled with ideas and energy. I laud all of your hard work and long hours creating a very successful conference and I hope to return next year with experiences to share with all of my own success from following the example you all have set! Thank-you, Gary Burden Participant

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Thank You Bike Kitchen and Church
by Rich Points 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Bike Hosts, I just wanted to thank everyone who helped make bike bike happen this year. Your efforts are appreciated. It's invaluable to be able to meet and talk shop with other coops/collectives/non-profits. Looking forward to next year in Minneapolis! Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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favorite bike movie
by Ann Altstatt 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie?

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speaking of bikebike southeast!
by rachael spiewak 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

GET EXCITED! *Go here for more info:* southeast.bikebike.org You can *sign up for the mailing list* there. Of course, EVERYONE is invited to participate. By design, we want to meet the needs of folks developing shops in the South, but don't let that stop you from being a part of the fun! * Just added to the workshop possibilities list: * - How to work with the media, facilitated by Jamie Gumbrecht, Atlanta-Journal Constitution Reporter and friend of Sopo - Assertiveness for community bike shop folks: How to advocate for your safe space, approach foundations, and otherwise say what you gotta say - Grantseeking at the Foundation Center (a free library of foundation/grant information...gonna see if they'll do something special for us). - Community bike shops in marginalized communities (hopefully one of our teens will give a talk about developing a shop in his refugee community). *What you can do to help: * - Find more people who need to get involved. Any rumblings about new shops around your neck of the woods? Sign those people up to come! Let's really reach out to anyone who wants to get in on the community bike shop game. - Holler at us off of this mailing list so we don't clutter it up. Let us know if you're game! - Make swag. We can email you the graphic if you'd like to screen some shirts or patches. - Suggest workshop topics and/or volunteer to facilitate!!! If you know lots, great! If you know not lots and you want to change that, even better! - If you are traveling by car or if you have hauling capabilities, consider bringing a loaner bike or two with you. We can't keep loaners in stock around here. - Likewise, if you would like to solicit food donations and you can haul it over here, that would be great. We're going to work with our local FnB chapter, but the food donation climate around here is a bit hostile and we don't want to take away from the good work they're struggling to do. - Throw yourself a fundraiser party to come up with whatever travel money you might need. Your pals, Sopo -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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shop rules
by rachael spiewak 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

Hi, everyone. Thanks for a fantastic weekend! I'm curious about whatever rules you may have posted at your shop. This might be a good wiki topic. I'd like to know if anyone's come up with clear, creative ways to state what kinds of behaviors are over the line. It would be nice to avoid having the word NO posted up and followed by a laundry list, but we need to make it plain as day that things like flirting or boozing in the shop are harmful to the shop atmosphere (for example). Thanks! Rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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Proposed Bicycle Frame Building Collective in Denver
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

To whom it may concern: My fellow cyclists, I am proposing to all who would be interested the development of a bicycle frame building collective in Denver. I have long been interested in building frames and my recent trip to Bike!Bike! in San Francisco has moved me from thought to action. I was able to participate in a short but excellent frame building seminar given by Josh from Bike Church in Santa Cruz. Josh has built some very lovely and functional frames using steel tubing. One of the frames Josh built is used to viably haul things, like his black Labrador Retriever. I believe in the bicycle. I believe that individuals who travel by their own power are quietly doing the best work for our environment and our planet. Could there not be a collective that used old bikes to make new and more effective bikes to move people and goods? My intent is as follows: Invite all interested to a meeting at to get an idea what a collective for the purpose of building frames would mean. I am looking for feedback and input along the following lines: 1. What types of bikes could be made i.e. cargo bikes, touring bikes , city bikes? 2. What tools and materials would be needed to start? 3. Would this be a for profit or an non profit or a mixture of both? 4. What would our mission be in regard to the community and the needs of the people around us? ie disadvantaged people learning a skill we could teach them? 5. Could viable bikes be created reusing some steel tubing from old bikes? 6. What tools and materials are available to train ourselves and others to build and repair frames? 7. Can building a bike for a specific practical purpose supersede buying one because of labor issues and artisanship? Thanks, Gary E Burden

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Addressing incidents from last year's BikeBike!
by Dave Caz 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hey all, My name is Dave, and I was asked to address a situation I created at last year's bikebike before attending the current conference, and after consideration, I wholeheartedly agree with the request and apologize it was not done sooner. Last year, at the bikebike party, I drank quite heavily and crossed major boundaries of people I never met. I created a very uncomfortable situation for people just trying to have a good time. I was responsible for making people feel threatened for their safety and space they deserved. I apologize for turning a people's night to celebrate into a bad memory for some. I can not say for sure what happened exactly, because I was too intoxicated to recall a large portion of that night, but the second hand accounts of my actions blew my mind. I have never acted in such a horrific way, nor have EVER considered to do the audacious things I did to people that eve. But I am responsible for my actions, drunk or not, and in no way excuse what I did. I owed it to the people who worked so hard to make bikebike! a success that year, to the visitors, conference members and all in attendance, to manage myself in a respectful manner, and I blew it. I am sorry. This year I promise to show the utmost control over my person as to never ever ever ever make people feel the way I did. I frequently dwell on the facts of what happened, and it is a burden I will have to live with, but live with AND change from it to never allow it to happen again. I will not be drinking before/during/after anything going on in the next potential FOREVER, and will also not be attending the celebration going on this year or next. All I ask is that you take me for who I am, and not the monster I was. I am truly sorry and understand that if I now have a bad reputation with you, I earned every bit of it, but I am trying to redeem myself. Sending this to 2 giant list-servs is not easy for me, but it is something I am doing to come clean to everyone. Hoping that people not expect a repeat from me, and encouraging others to police their actions and not lose control as I did. Remember a lot of people got their shit together and busted their collective asses to make this awesome thing happen. If you wish to talk to me about this, please come find me and we'll chat. I'm trying to learn from this as best as possible. Thanks to everyone for not blacklisting me and giving me a second chance. Again, I am truly sorry, and hope you can get past my past, as I am trying to do the same. peace, Milwaukee Dave.

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BC in Wisconsin
by Julia Schnell 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

So I'm just starting out and wondered how you all went about finding a space for your bike collective. Thanks! Julia.

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