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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 139, Issue 2
by eric clough 03 Apr '18

03 Apr '18

Thank you for your reply, Clint. I don't have much wisdom to bring to bear on this subject but the wasted resource grates against my native inclination for efficiency, re-use and re-purposing. My instincts tell me you are correct in that the construction style of these "share" bikes does not lend itself to long-life, sustainability or restoration into a more traditional bike - but I just don't know if that is true. I have never even ridden one. Which is why I put the question to this bike collectives list serve. On Tue, Apr 3, 2018 at 1:06 PM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: China Bike Share Surplus? (Clint Watson) > 2. Re: China Bike Share Surplus? (Gabriel Trainer) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Clint Watson <clint(a)bicyclecollective.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2018 16:10:25 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] China Bike Share Surplus? > I had a meeting with the Director of SLC Greenbike last week regarding > this. It's a huge and growing problem for many cities in the US. Apparently > the business model for these operations is modeled after Uber or other tech > startups--don't worry about profits, just get investment money and dominate > the market/run other bike share companies out of business by offering the > service free of charge to cities. > > The bikes average $200 each and because of that they are being used as a > disposable resource. They're being discarded, damaged, and vandalized at > staggering rates in places like Dallas. > > http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/technology/dallas- > bikeshare-limebike-ofo/index.html > > And Seattle is now starting to see similar problems. > > I don't see it as a sustainable solution to transportation: if we're going > to start seeing entire landfills full of bikes (i.e. the photos from > China), that seems to undercut the argument that bikes are a more > sustainable solution than other transportation options. And the bigger > danger is that the companies offering this new model (Limebike, for > example) have no long term model. They've been operating at a loss since > inception and will continue to for the foreseeable future. If they replace > more sustainable models, then pull the plug because they lose their > investment funding, it will set the whole bike share movement back years. > > As for just using the discarded bikes in your local co-op, I'm also > skeptical. If they're not being used by the bike share company, the > assumption is they're damaged. I can't say for certain whether it would be > cost effective to repair and repurpose a fleet of bikes that were barely > usable in the first place because I haven't had first hand experience with > them, but I'm skeptical. > > Just my two cents > > Clint Watson > Executive Director > Bicycle Collective > www.bicyclecollective.org > clint(a)bicyclecollective.org > > *The mission of the Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an > effective and sustainable form of transportation, recreation, and as a > cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Collective > provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, > focusing on children and lower income households.* > > On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Katy Collet <katy(a)cyclonordsud.org> > wrote: > >> Bonjour, >> Prenez note que je serai absente du 20 mars au 2 avril inclusivement. Pour >> toute urgence veuillez contacter François Delwaide à >> francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >> Merci, >> >> Hi, >> I'll be out of the office from March 20th to April 2nd included. In >> case of emergency, please contact François Delwaide at >> francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >> Best, >> >> Saludos, >> Estaré afuera de la oficina desde >> marzo 20 hasta abril 2 inclusivo. En caso de urgencia, por favor escribir >> a >> François Delwaide francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >> Gracias, >> >> Katy >> Collet >> Coordonnatrice projets internationaux >> Cyclo Nord-Sud >> 8717, 8e Avenue, >> Montréal, QC H1Z 2X4 >> 514 843-0077 >> http://cyclonordsud.org/ >> >> >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.o >> rg/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Gabriel Trainer <getrainer(a)bikefarm.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2018 16:15:18 +0000 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] China Bike Share Surplus? > Those are frightening pictures! One or a few bikes are cool. Thousands of > bikes piled together are no better than a trash heap. > Gabriel > > On Mon, Apr 2, 2018, 3:10 PM Clint Watson <clint(a)bicyclecollective.org> > wrote: > >> I had a meeting with the Director of SLC Greenbike last week regarding >> this. It's a huge and growing problem for many cities in the US. Apparently >> the business model for these operations is modeled after Uber or other tech >> startups--don't worry about profits, just get investment money and dominate >> the market/run other bike share companies out of business by offering the >> service free of charge to cities. >> >> The bikes average $200 each and because of that they are being used as a >> disposable resource. They're being discarded, damaged, and vandalized at >> staggering rates in places like Dallas. >> >> http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/05/technology/dallas- >> bikeshare-limebike-ofo/index.html >> >> And Seattle is now starting to see similar problems. >> >> I don't see it as a sustainable solution to transportation: if we're >> going to start seeing entire landfills full of bikes (i.e. the photos from >> China), that seems to undercut the argument that bikes are a more >> sustainable solution than other transportation options. And the bigger >> danger is that the companies offering this new model (Limebike, for >> example) have no long term model. They've been operating at a loss since >> inception and will continue to for the foreseeable future. If they replace >> more sustainable models, then pull the plug because they lose their >> investment funding, it will set the whole bike share movement back years. >> >> As for just using the discarded bikes in your local co-op, I'm also >> skeptical. If they're not being used by the bike share company, the >> assumption is they're damaged. I can't say for certain whether it would be >> cost effective to repair and repurpose a fleet of bikes that were barely >> usable in the first place because I haven't had first hand experience with >> them, but I'm skeptical. >> >> Just my two cents >> >> Clint Watson >> Executive Director >> Bicycle Collective >> www.bicyclecollective.org >> clint(a)bicyclecollective.org >> >> *The mission of the Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an >> effective and sustainable form of transportation, recreation, and as a >> cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Collective >> provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, >> focusing on children and lower income households.* >> >> On Fri, Mar 30, 2018 at 1:40 PM, Katy Collet <katy(a)cyclonordsud.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Bonjour, >>> Prenez note que je serai absente du 20 mars au 2 avril inclusivement. >>> Pour >>> toute urgence veuillez contacter François Delwaide à >>> francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >>> Merci, >>> >>> Hi, >>> I'll be out of the office from March 20th to April 2nd included. In >>> case of emergency, please contact François Delwaide at >>> francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >>> Best, >>> >>> Saludos, >>> Estaré afuera de la oficina desde >>> marzo 20 hasta abril 2 inclusivo. En caso de urgencia, por favor >>> escribir a >>> François Delwaide francois(a)cyclonordsud.org >>> Gracias, >>> >>> Katy >>> Collet >>> Coordonnatrice projets internationaux >>> Cyclo Nord-Sud >>> 8717, 8e Avenue, >>> Montréal, QC H1Z 2X4 >>> 514 843-0077 >>> http://cyclonordsud.org/ >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives. >>> org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org >>> >>> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives. >> org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > >

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Songs about bikez
by Cynthia Williams 02 Apr '18

02 Apr '18

Hey everyone, Sunny and I are working on a podcast about community bike shops that's going to air sometime in February on CiTR 101.9 FM, unceded Coast Salish territories, Vancouver. What are your favourite songs about bikes and biking? We need more solid tunes, especially songs written by women, queer folks, femmes (aka FEMcon) and Canadian content (CANcon), because radio stations in Canada are required to play a certain amount of CANcon. Are you in a grimey band? Send us your tracks! Cheers, *Cyn Williams * *Communications Coordinator* AMS Bike Co-op University of British Columbia 604-822-BIKE | bikecoop.ca | @ubcbike

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