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What I think they meant to say was. . .
by Erik Ryberg 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

All-- I think what Andrea meant to say in her first post was, "Dude, your radio show is going to be four men talking about bikes! But half the population is female, and both men and women need to hear what important roles women have played and are playing now in bike advocacy (and everything else . . . ). Wouldn't you agree? There are tons of rad women in the L.A. bike scene -- why can't you have some of them on your programs?? And what Jim meant to say in reply was, Andrea-- Shoot, you are so right!!! Duh!!! Do you have any contacts I can use? Would you like to be on the show and discuss women and bicycling? I would love to interview you on the show! To which Andrea meant to say, Jim-- Yeah sure, I could be on your show, but I think you should use local talent, don't you? If you don't know any women bike advocates in L.A., well then dude you aren't paying enough attention! Check out Bike Girl at bikegirlblog.blogspot.com/ or other folks in the Bike Writer's Collective. And contact bikerowave or the L.A. Bicycle Kitchen. And anyway, remember it isn't about having a show about women and bicycling, it's about recognizing and incorporating women in what you do all the time. And then Joshua meant to say, Hey everybody, Andrea has a pretty good point. I know that this issue gets discussed at Bikebike but I don't ever get to go to Bikebike, and at least here in the South discrimination/oppression of women is a devastating norm. Probably is where you are too. I'd like to see us talk about this more openly on this list serve, and talk about combating it. And then the moderator said, Joshua and all-- Of course! Let's just keep it civil and directed toward problem-solving, shall we? --Erik Ryberg -- Erik B. Ryberg Attorney at Law 312 South Convent Avenue Tucson, AZ 85701 phone: (520) 622-3333 fax: (520) 622-2406

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patriarchy
by Macho Philipovich 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

it seems to me many men here are missing the point. have people here encountered the concept of tokenism before? of the history and contemporary use of the concept of "hysterics"? or of even of patriarchy itself (as opposed to plain sexism)? have people read any of the ideas of feminists about how patriarchy functions? if not, this might be a really good time to familiarize yourself. bell hooks, who was mentioned before, is one of a plethora of possibilities, and is a good starting point. in general when dealing with oppression, it's tempting for members of the dominant group (in this case, males) to want to invent the idea of the "other" "bad males" as the problem, so they can feel pure and good in themselves, and to look only at explicit individual sexist acts, ignoring how deeply patriarchy is woven into the fabric of our society. for the same reasons, when confronted with patriarchy in the bike shop, many men will turn the question into "how can we convince more women to work here with us" instead of "how can we change our own behaviour to be less patriarchal." i hope the distinction is clear. we don't need any more men wasting our time trying to convince us that we've got them all wrong and that they couldn't possibly be sexist because some of their best friends are women. we need more men to actually spend time working against their own patriarchy, as well as society's. when we start looking closer at our own assumptions about what are "neutral" or "rational" ways of acting, we can uncover some surprising insights into how patriarchy works. one great example might be, say, an admonition that everyone should only ever have a "calm and positive" tone, or that we need to "deep six" dissenters to "restore order, production and prosperity." anyway, i'm sure none of us have too much hope in this email process, so please read up and start putting feminist ideas into practice in your own lives. macho http://bike-dump.ca

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Rabble rousers
by John Boyer 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

rabble-rouser n. a person who tries to stir up groups of people with speeches tending to arouse them to acts of violence against some existing condition, usually to serve his/her own ends. - World book Dictionary SBK (Sacramento Bike Kitchen) went through a period where a few rabble rousers had their way and it ended up in disintegrating the org. One must shine the light of day on this person quickly and deep six them from the org. Its the only way you can restore order, production and prosperity to your community bike shop. John Boyer. Sacramento

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Non-male-only bicycle projects
by Bike City 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

Hello everybody, I've been mulling over a lot of ideas lately about overthrowing the male domination of bicycle co-ops, collectives, recycleries, mechanics, and the industry in general. Are there any non-males out there who would be interested in discussing strategies to whoop the shit out of male privilege? I'd like to set an email list up for this purpose, but in the meantime, please email me: the.attica(a)gmail.com Thanks, andrea

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List Usage: How to contribute, How to get removed.
by Jonathan Morrison 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

Andrea, Joshua, and everyone else, Moderator here. All the Community Bike Shops would LOVE to figure out how to tip the scales so the bicycle industry so it isn't male dominated. We WANT to hear what you have to say, but you have to keep your tone calm and positive. If you can do that we are all ears, if you can't I (or one of the other moderators) will remove you from the list, not for the topic of the content, but for negative delivery. This will be applied to ANY topic. And for the record I don't have long hair anymore and there is too much snow for sandals, no comment on body part color. :) Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households. On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:40 AM, Bike City <bikecityrecyclery(a)gmail.com>wrote: > Greetings all butt-hurt dudes, > > I'm a man working on a bike project in Arkansas. I know better than all > of you who don't live here how sexist the South is, in general and in > bicycles specifically. I haven't seen any behavior on your part that > leads me to believe that you guys are any different. You are all part of > the problem. > > I read the beginning of this thread and all I saw was a person pissed > off at bike talk emails on this list. I think bike talk should get their > own list and stop mining this one. They aren't a bicycle project. They > just talk about how cool bicycles are. Big deal. > > I have read elsewhere on this thread where men have taken posts to this > list personally. I never saw anyone mentioned by name, so why are you > all so butt-hurt and defensive? > > Furthermore, why shouldn't we discuss our privilege as males in life and > in bicycles? If all of the books on bicycle history are going to link > bicycles with dress reform and women's liberation then why shouldn't we > discuss male privilege and female oppression, as it exists in the > bicycle industry today? Why is this topic off the table for discussion? > > I don't have the economic privilege to go to BikeBike once a year to > spend an hour or two discussing the real problems with our male > dominated bike culture and then pat our male selves on the back for > being so progressive. This list is the only forum where I can discuss > this. Or, to be correct, where I can try to discuss this. > > What's your hang-up? Why does any attempt to discuss sexism on this list > turn into a woman bashing free-for-all and all of the guilty men claim > to be "good guys." > > I'll confess that I'm writing to see if I, a dick-swinging man will get > shouted down by the other men on this list. Or even...kicked off the > list. Oh no! > > I remember the last purge on this list when sexism was discussed. The > male moderator who I'm sure is one of the "good guys" and above all > reproach, kicked off his list anyone that disagreed with the de facto > ethic that a woman's place is to shut up and get fucked. > > I'm sure you're one of the good guys, dude. You probably fit the > archetype of the "good guy." Chaco sandals, pony-tail, Subaru with some > witty bumper stickers, white skin, pink penis, organic diet; and I know > that your heart bleeds for the less privileged. Its easy to feel pity > for those "less privileged" people when you don't have to confront your > own privilege at the same time. > > Truth is, I don't give a fuck if the only moderator is a male and he > quashes any discussion of sexism on this list. I don't care if he kicks > us off the list. Fuck him. I don't care because I know that all you guys > are doing is making it clear to women and their allies that you are not > people we can trust or work with. > > If you're ever in Arkansas look me up, Moderator. I'll be the > rabble-rouser with the wrench in his hand. If you feel tough enough, we > can tussle. > > Yee-haw, > > Joshua > > > > > > > > On Mon, 2009-12-28 at 21:31 -0800, John Boyer wrote: > > rabble-rouser n. a person who tries to stir up groups of people with > > speeches tending to arouse them to acts of violence against some > > existing condition, usually to serve his/her own ends. - World book > > Dictionary > > > > SBK (Sacramento Bike Kitchen) went through a period where a few > > rabble rousers had their way and it ended up in disintegrating the > > org. One must shine the light of day on this person quickly and deep > > six them from the org. Its the only way you can restore order, > > production and prosperity to your community bike shop. > > > > John Boyer. > > Sacramento > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Fwd: Exploded views of bicycle components for posters?
by bike against 30 Dec '09

30 Dec '09

Hi all, Here's another style / option to consider, it can't be incorporated in a book but it can be very helpful during the hands-on madness that takes place in our community shops. Is pretty fool-proof too. Hope it helps some. Season's Bike Greetings from Colorado. Rafael Cletero Project Coordinator Fort Collins Bicycle Co-op ph (970) 484 38 04 www.fcbikecoop.org ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: bike against <bikeagainst(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:08 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Exploded views of bicycle components for posters? To: bike against <bikeagainst(a)gmail.com> On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 8:32 PM, Carolyn Braunius <brauniusc(a)yahoo.com>wrote: > These are awesome! Seriously I was thinking about drawings like these to > maybe make into a reference book for the shop. Now all I have to do is print > them out. > > Thank you for sharing, > Carolyn > > www.troybikerescue.org > > "When shall we live if not now?" - M.F.K. Fisher > > > --- On *Tue, 12/29/09, Jason Moore <moorepants(a)gmail.com>* wrote: > > > From: Jason Moore <moorepants(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Exploded views of bicycle components for > posters? > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Date: Tuesday, December 29, 2009, 2:06 PM > > > We've got some fantastic drawings done by one of our volunteers, Cat > Callaway. She first used these in our WTF workshops and now we use them in > our new volunteer training workshops. > > Enjoy and spread widely! copyleft > > http://www.davisbikecollective.org/resources/documents/67-course-materials > > Rev. Jason > > On Tue, Dec 29, 2009 at 12:42 PM, Cal Cruz <calvertcruz(a)gmail.com<http://mc/compose?to=calvertcruz@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> Happy New Year everyone, >> Do anyone have exploded views of bike components that might be suitable >> for posters around the shop? Any help would be wonderful. >> >> -- >> Best Regards, >> >> Cal Cruz >> Shop Manager >> Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective >> 2312 S. West Temple >> Salt Lake City, UT 84115 >> w: 801-328-2453 >> c: 801-759-1887 >> f: 801-466-3856 >> www.slcbikecollective.org >> www.saltcitysprints.com >> >> Bicycle Film Festival in SLC >> Friday, October 2nd: http://bicyclefilmfestival.com/?p=slc&d=01 >> Saturday, October 3rd: http://bicyclefilmfestival.com/?p=slc&d=02 >> >> The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling >> as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone >> of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides >> refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on >> children and lower income households. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org<http://mc/compose?to=Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org> >> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org<http://mc/compose?to=TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org> >> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> > > > -- > http://mae.ucdavis.edu/~biosport/jkm/ > Sports Biomechanics Lab, UC Davis (http://biosport.ucdavis.edu) > Davis Bike Collective Minister, Davis, CA ( > http://www.davisbikecollective.org) > Office: +01 530-752-2163 > Home: +01 530-753-0794 > > -----Inline Attachment Follows----- > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org<http://mc/compose?to=Thethinktank@bikecollectives.org> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org<http://mc/compose?to=TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org> > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > --

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Exploded views of bicycle components for posters?
by Cal Cruz 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

Happy New Year everyone, Do anyone have exploded views of bike components that might be suitable for posters around the shop? Any help would be wonderful. -- Best Regards, Cal Cruz Shop Manager Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-759-1887 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org www.saltcitysprints.com Bicycle Film Festival in SLC Friday, October 2nd: http://bicyclefilmfestival.com/?p=slc&d=01 Saturday, October 3rd: http://bicyclefilmfestival.com/?p=slc&d=02 The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.

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Fwd: We want your opinion - on live radio...
by bike talk 29 Dec '09

29 Dec '09

Hey Spokes Folks, It's Jim C. here, and I'm writing to invite, no, to convince you to be heard - and not just by the online Bike Talk group this week. This coming Tuesday, December 29th, Bike Talk will get its first live broadcast show on KPFK, 90.7 FM from 11PM til midnight Pacific Time - you can check them out here <http://www.kpfk.org/>. Who listens to the radio these days? Well, you might be surprised. KPFK is a groundbreaking Pacifica station that broadcasts many great shows including my personal favorite, 'Democracy Now!' - here<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KPFK>is a link to the KPFK wikipedia page. KPFK is considered a progressive radio station that leans a little farther left than other media stations. OK, so now you know the setup. How can you help? We'll be talking about most things bike, starting with a brief synopsis of bike-friendliness in cities by author Jeff Mapes (Pedaling Revolution<http://www.powells.com/biblio?isbn=0870714198&PID=33501>), and followed by a short critique of bike-friendliness in LA and what the city is doing to address cyclists' issues with its proposed Bicycle Master Plan. This is where we need you to call in - (818) 985-5735. What would you like to see improved in our city? Most of the listeners of this show will probably be driving in their automobiles. We want to bridge the gap between drivers and cyclists, so let's talk about what we want to see, not what we battle. We should save the fight for the next show - our focus with this show is to celebrate the bicycle and how it improves the quality of our lives. So call in and address the Bicycle Master Plan - (818) 985-5735, and tell us your ideas for improving cycling in our city. We'll be following up these segments with some bicycle culture, a year-end review from Streetsblog <http://la.streetsblog.org/>'s Damien Newton, calendar and news, and hopefully, some bicycle back story combined with clips from our interview with Richard Schwinn. We can't wait to hear from YOU! -Jim C Bike Talk! <http://archive.kpfk.org/parchive/index.php?shokey=biketalk> and Orange 20 Bikes <http://orange20bikes.com> -- please let us know if you want to be taken off this list. Hear Bike Talk! live on www.killradio.org, 10am-noon Saturdays. Call in at (213) 252-0998. Hear the podcast at kpfk.org: http://www.kpfk.org/programs/170-bike-talk.html See what's new with us at www.biketalk.us Follow us at bike_talk_kpfk on twitter.com

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moving a community bike shop
by Mark Rehder 28 Dec '09

28 Dec '09

And speaking of moving, here are photos of our last move: http://www.re-cycles.ca/2008move.html Mark

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New Year!
by Ainsley Naylor 28 Dec '09

28 Dec '09

Hey all, Really I just want to see the subject change, so I'd like to see folks throw out some ideas of wishes, dreams, plans and schemes they are hoping for in the new year. We at Pirates have a few - it always seems hard to implement drastic changes, so the new year seems a good excuse. Here's some things on our list: Changing our locks. there have been a number of key-holders who have come and gone, and we never changed the locks when we first moved into our building. Better security and a better system of designating key-holders is a top priority. Tracking sales. right now all of our cash just goes into the donation box, and not all new parts are *necessarily* paid for in full. We need to ensure we charge for all new items as well as (gulp) starting to charge all applicable taxes and track these sales! Do our taxes for the first time!!! Volunteer training. Right now we just have an orientation to introduce people to the space. We would like to have some basic training, including some anti-o/sensitivity and some way of designating who is a volunteer and who is a participant in the space. Any suggestions or input on the best way to implement any of these changes would be most appreciated. What are your goals for the new year? Ainsley and The Pirates.

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