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Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
by Andrew Bushaw 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Thanks for all the input! I certainly didn't mean to sound derogatory towards hipsters nor fixed gear bikes as I probably could qualify as either depending on what bike I choose to ride on any given day! I should put this question into context a little more. We are not currently open on saturdays and these folks have mentioned that is generally when they have time to wrench on their bikes. They aren't really interested in having the shop open because generally when we are open to the public, we are so swamped with EAB and folks stopping by for one-off repairs we there just aren't enough shop resources for them to get into completely overhauling their bikes at a leisurely pace. Basically they want to "rent" the shop on saturday's for their own use. I suppose that rent could be paid with volunteer hours during other open shifts or cash donations to the shop. Ideally some of these folks would come in and help out on other days and become collective members, wanting more responsibility. The other option I'm hearing from folks off list would be to make it an official open shift minus EAB or earning volunteer credit (Since those require a bit of admin/assistance) and just open for folks who are confident enough to work on their own bikes. -Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5
by Wanda Pelegrina 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

As already mentioned, it's a perfect opportunity to make "them" part of "us". If they become members of your collective and at least one of them gets "training" needed, to open/run/close shop, then it's def a win/win. Your shop gains members, support, etc and your hipsters gets their fixies and a chance to be part of something great. Let them know what your requirements are and if they're really into it, there should be no problem. If it's not gonna cause huge uproar in the shop, create more work or costs for the collective/ members/organizers, then never turn down any "them" (aka, potential "us") that wanna play in the shop...esp. if you have the capacity. 1da Wanda Pelegrina Caldas Wanda(a)CommunityCycles.org CommunityCycles.org > From: thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5 > To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:34:15 -0700 > > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Non-collective Members opening the shop. (plan_9(a)riseup.net) > 2. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points) > 3. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points) > 4. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Wilbur Ince) > 5. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (yellow bike) > 6. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Matt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:51:27 -0700 > From: plan_9(a)riseup.net > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <20080709085127.ota77a09440wg08c(a)swift.riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > Thanks, > Andrew > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 > From: Rich Points <rich(a)richpoints.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Cc: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <4874E065.1080300(a)richpoints.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Make them members, expand your capacity. > > R > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > -- > Rich Points > Community Cycles Director > http://CommunityCycles.org > Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org > 720-565-6019 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 > From: Rich Points <rich(a)richpoints.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Cc: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <4874E065.1080300(a)richpoints.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Make them members, expand your capacity. > > R > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > -- > Rich Points > Community Cycles Director > http://CommunityCycles.org > Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org > 720-565-6019 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:08:45 -0500 > From: Wilbur Ince <Wilbur(a)Wilbur.us> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: <4874E28D.9060401(a)Wilbur.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > There's something there for you and something there for them, so find > the middle ground. As Rich said, you have a chance at new collective > members. If you have nights available, by all means, give them a > night. They are interested in the shop time, so I bet you can get them > to meet your conditions - like keeping shop clean - greeting people who > stop by - opening their sessions to drop-ins, etc. Could be a great > win-win. > > Wilbur Ince > Sibley Bike Depot > Saint Paul, MN > > > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > >

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Non-collective Members opening the shop.
by plan_9＠riseup.net 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop

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bike thieves in the shop?
by veganboyjosh＠gmail.com 07 Jul '08

07 Jul '08

I'd like to throw something out to the group for your opinions. Do any of you have a specific policy about what to do when a known bike thief comes in the shop? Do you turn him/her away? Last year, we had an incident with a youth EAB'er, who was caught taking bikes. He's since been implicated but not charged or confirmed as being involved in another bike theft, altho that one is not related to our shop, other than we're friends with the victim, and used some of our resources with a local low-income neighborhood to track down the location of this latest theft, leading to the recovery of said stolen bikes. Since this last incident, the individual was spotted in our shop by a staff member who was around during last year's debacle. Someone swiftly took him aside, and told him that he needs to leave, that he's not welcome in our shop. I'm not sure how i personally feel about this. I mean, bike thieves are pretty low, and as such I don't want to encourage them...teaching them wrenching skills that they will potentially use on stolen bikes makes my stomach turn... Being the community shop that we are, i'm wondering if we can't use our position to turn some of these kids around. By bringing him in and welcoming him, do we not stand a chance of befriending him and breaking down the barrier between us, so that he comes to value our bikes (shop's and staff's, and by extension, the general public) by being exposed to what bikes mean to the people in our shop. in theory, come to see the shop as a resource for knowledge, skills, and cheap parts that takes some investment on his part, instead of just a pool of resources for him to pilfer on a whim. I'm interested in the groups thoughts, policies, experiences. I also know that bike theft is something that hits close to home for a lot (or all) of us on this list, and would ask that we keep this discussion on the topic of "to welcome or not in the shop", and not get too distracted with how painfully bike thieves should be tortured. Thanks.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Southeast Bike!Bike!
by dave bauer 07 Jul '08

07 Jul '08

Hi Jay, Do you know where I can get info on the SF Bike Bike in September? Thanks! On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 2:32 PM, Jay Varner <jay(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: > I hope this will be the last(ish) message to the Think Tank regarding > the organizing the Southeast Bike!Bike!. We are now all set up with > our very own email list - southeast(a)bikebike.org (thanks again to > Jonathan Morrison for setting that up) and the site - > http://southeast.bikebike.org - is up (though it still needs some > content and we're waiting for the graphics department to get back to > us). Regardless, you can sign up for the email list on the site > So from now on, please direct any Southeast Bike!Bike! > questions/announcements there, and not hear on the Think Tank. > > See ya'll in San Francisco come September, > Jay Varner > Sopo Bike Co-op > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > -- dave bauer 7196 s. poplar st. centennial, co 80112 usa h/w: 303.788.0672 c: 303.748.3541 davebauer5(a)gmail.com recyclebicycles.net

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What do you do when....oddball parts
by Urban Bike Project Wilmington, DE 03 Jul '08

03 Jul '08

Someone at UBP on Saturday was having big problems changing out some dry rotted tires on a Schwinn MTB/hybrid that had been donated. Come to find out (after repeatedly trying to fit any size decimal or fraction 26" on there) that corrosion on the rim was hiding a little stamped "650B" mark on it. The cheapest 650B tire on harris is $25 and i'm not sure the bike shop we get our parts from would be any less expensive. The bike is in great condition other than the tires but $50 is about what we would sell it for. Should we swap the 650B rims for 26's? I would hate for someone to ruin a tire and have to wait a week for something to get ordered online or at a bike shop. Here's my question to the group....What do you do with perfectly usable oddball bikes/parts that aren't particularly cool or collectable? Think the "fancy parts" thread of last year but with solid stuff that sits around gathering dust... Brian -- Urban Bike Project of Wilmington -a 501(c)3 non-profit bike shop- 1908 N. Market Street (entrance is in the parking lot behind the building) Wilmington, DE 19801 Hours: Thursday 6:30-9:00 Saturday 1:00-4:00 Visit us online at http://urbanbikeproject.org

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cheap tools?
by Cris Shirley 02 Jul '08

02 Jul '08

Hey, Our shop is buying tools for the first time (before people would bring their own and share with others). Any suggestions? We don't want to break the bank. There is some stuff on ebay for $60-120 that are nice sets: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200234719525&ssPage… http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=380040067217&ssPage… a Parks Tools set for $200-270: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=200234011069&ssPage… I was thinking start with a set like this and then buy individually as we need more specific tools. But what about quality, it sounds like tools get stolen a lot, so it might be best not to squander our money on nice tools that will be stolen/lost after a short while (first time I went to a bike collective I accidentally walked off with their tire levers in my pocket and they couldn't work on tires for a week or so). Cris

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call for curriculum materials
by adam schwartz 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

Does anyone have, or have seen any curriculum materials that relate bicycles to science and math. Anything related to technology, engineering, and design as well would be greatly appreciated. Also if anyone is interested in collaborating on writing a curriculum together for a science, engineering and technology program around the idea of "Pedal Power" then please let me know. Here is the description for the program I am looking to develop. > Pedal Power is a program of the Renaissance Community Youth Bike Shop that > incorporates science, engineering and technology into a curriculum focused > on youth initiated environmental design and appropriate technology projects > involving bicycles. The program will engage students to research, design, > and construct their own DIY human-powered inventions. > > We will work with Engineers Without Borders (EWB), a student group that > works on environmental design and appropriate technology in international > development, to develop our curriculum and instruct the class. Middle school > students will spend the first part of the course learning about the basics > of engineering, construction, design, energy, and technology. Then students > will work in teams to design, and implement their own "Pedal Powered" > invention. After student teams have constructed their machines, they will > have the opportunity to display and show them off to the community at our > spring event. In the future this program has many options for growth and > development including participating in design contests, and entering > projects into local events. If successful, this program has the opportunity > to expand into new and exciting realms in design and engineering beyond > Pedal Powered projects within the scope of appropriate technology such as > home scale wind power, etc... > -- Adam Schwartz, Program Coordinator The Renaissance Youth Bike Shop 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD Rideyourbicycle(a)gmail.com (301) 405-3213

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Southeast Bike!Bike!
by Jay Varner 29 Jun '08

29 Jun '08

I hope this will be the last(ish) message to the Think Tank regarding the organizing the Southeast Bike!Bike!. We are now all set up with our very own email list - southeast(a)bikebike.org (thanks again to Jonathan Morrison for setting that up) and the site - http://southeast.bikebike.org - is up (though it still needs some content and we're waiting for the graphics department to get back to us). Regardless, you can sign up for the email list on the site So from now on, please direct any Southeast Bike!Bike! questions/announcements there, and not hear on the Think Tank. See ya'll in San Francisco come September, Jay Varner Sopo Bike Co-op

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Archiving BikeBike
by Rich Points 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Hey All, I was just poking around the wiki and found this from last years bike bike http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=BCN_BikeBike_Workshop Notice the last entry is "archiving Bike Bike". Last year was the first one I attended but it's my understanding that Bike Bike is in it's 6th or 7th year? I'd be interested to see the schedule from past gatherings. Do people still have materials from previous conferences? It would be cool to see them on the wiki. Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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