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Re: [TheThinkTank] Freehub Certificate Date Error
by Queen City Bicycle 11 Aug '22

11 Aug '22

Thank you Alon!! We appreciate Freehub very much and are very thankful for it. If there's any support we could offer, please let us know. On Thu, Aug 11, 2022 at 12:28 AM Alon Salant <alon(a)salant.org> wrote: > Hi all, > > Thanks for the heads up and sorry I was not aware of this before you > brought it to my attention. > > Cert is reissued so you should no longer get browser warnings. Let me know > if you do. > > It looks like the scheduled job that should automatically renew SSL > certificates and notify me if it fails was removed in a recent upgrade of > the server. I'm restoring it now. > > Thanks for using Freehub! > > Alon > > On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 7:59 PM Alon Salant <alon(a)salant.org> wrote: > >> Thanks all. >> >> Certs should be automatically renewing. I’ll look at it in the morning. >> >> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 9:50 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum <bike(a)bikelover.org> >> wrote: >> >>> I observe what is going on. Freehub utilizes a Let's Encrypt >>> certificate, and it just needs to be renewed. It expired on August 6. I >>> am copying freehub(a)bikekitchen.org so they know about the issue, and >>> can resolve it. >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> On 2022-08-10 04:18, Queen City Bicycle wrote: >>> >>> Yes, thank you Jonathan, I should have proofread my email - apologies, >>> all. >>> >>> The issue we've been having is that the security certificate for >>> freehub.bikekitchen.org seems to be no longer valid (it expired August >>> 6, 2022), which causes the web browser (Chrome, in our case) to act >>> suspicious, and require frequent overrides. >>> >>> We were wondering if anyone else was having similar trouble and were >>> hoping to bring the issue to the attention of the folks with the capacity >>> to address it (if they're not already working on it). >>> >>> Sorry for not clarifying this in the first place. >>> >>> For further clarification, our browsers were defaulting to >>> https://freehub.bikekitchen.org which, because of the expired security >>> certificate, will throw up a "Your connection is not private" warning page. >>> Encouragingly, It does seem like using http://freehub.bikekitchen.org >>> is an effective workaround - Chrome still reports the connection to be "Not >>> Secure", but it doesn't interfere with its dramatic "Return to Safety" >>> warning. >>> >>> We rely on freehub, and are very grateful for it, and all of your >>> support. >>> >>> Thanks y'all >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022, 1:32 AM Jonathan Rosenbaum <bike(a)bikelover.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Freehub is working fine. The correct link is >>> http://freehub.bikekitchen.org/ . >>> >>> Freehub has a wiki at https://github.com/asalant/freehub/wiki . >>> >>> -Jonathan >>> >>> On 2022-08-09 20:16, Queen City Bicycle wrote: >>> >>> Hey friends, >>> >>> Just curious if any of y'all are having trouble using >>> freehub.bikekitchen.com. >>> If anyone knows any of the folks involved with the backend, we would >>> appreciate any info and love to offer any support. >>> >>> All the best, >>> Tyler >>> >>> -- >>> Tyler Glodt >>> Shop Manager >>> Queen City Bicycle Collective >>> 35 Elm Street >>> Manchester, NH >>> (978) 540-0405 >>> qcbike.org >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to freehub+unsubscribe(a)bikekitchen.org. >>> >> -- Tyler Glodt Shop Manager Queen City Bicycle Collective 35 Elm Street Manchester, NH (978) 540-0405 qcbike.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 190, Issue 1
by Lawrence Mohammed 10 Aug '22

10 Aug '22

Hey Tyler, looks like they don't exist (starting up? winding up trading?) and/or they are, but are working on the website and have chosen to publish it before it's ready. Is it website creation/services you're offering? In service, *Lawrence Mohammed* CEO and Founder Pro Bike Service C.I.C. *+44 (0)77 222 58587* *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>* /::Olympic Park Site:: Pro Bike Service C.I.C. Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park Canalside, Hackney Bridge London E15 2SJ *map location <https://what3words.com/cuts.porch.logic>* / On 10/08/2022 21:05, thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Freehub Certificate Date Error (Queen City Bicycle) > 2. Re: Freehub Certificate Date Error (Jonathan Rosenbaum) > 3. Re: Freehub Certificate Date Error (Queen City Bicycle) > 4. Re: Freehub Certificate Date Error (Jonathan Rosenbaum) > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.…

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Freehub Certificate Date Error
by Queen City Bicycle 10 Aug '22

10 Aug '22

Hey friends, Just curious if any of y'all are having trouble using freehub.bikekitchen.com. If anyone knows any of the folks involved with the backend, we would appreciate any info and love to offer any support. All the best, Tyler -- Tyler Glodt Shop Manager Queen City Bicycle Collective 35 Elm Street Manchester, NH (978) 540-0405 qcbike.org

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Launch/Lanzamiento Bike!BIke!Everywhere! Bici!Bici!En todas partes
by Bike!Bike! Everywhere! 29 Jul '22

29 Jul '22

Español (English below) *Bike!Bike *es una reunión internacional anual organizada por y para personas involucradas en proyectos comunitarios alrededor de la bicicleta. Normalmente se realiza en persona en una ciudad diferente cada año, pero la pandemia de la COVID-19 atoró los planes de la comunidad. En 2021*,Bike!* *Bike!En todas partes! *se realizó completamente en línea. Fue un espacio virtual donde entusiastas de la bicicleta pudieron compartir sus experiencias acerca de varios temas como manejo de la pandemia, enseñanza, mecánica, impacto social, mejor acceso a las bicicletas, diversidad, equidad, inclusión y más. Después del éxito de *B!B!E! 2021*, estamos aprovechando la oportunidad para seguir creciendo como comunidad internacional de bicicletas de manera virtual. Si te interesa presentar un proyecto/iniciativa que tú o tu organización están realizando, o impartir un taller para compartir nuevas habilidades, o dirigir una conversación relativa a las bicicletas y la comunidad, o algo similar, entonces por favor regístrate aquí!!. https://es.bikebike.org/conferences/South2022/ Poster oficial <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5GuUEO5MruP4fZ7-doSb1MyfIWJFe-q/view?usp=…> *Síguenos en instagram <https://www.instagram.com/bikebikeorg/>* Estamos aceptando propuestas de conferencias desde el 20 de julio hasta el 30 de agosto. Estamos pidiendo registros antes este año, porque como es un encuentro internacional, llevará algo de tiempo organizar el evento considerando los diferentes husos horarios y la disponibilidad de lxs presentadorxs. Comparte esta información con tu comunidad. Esperamos conocerles, aprender de ustedes y construir redes juntxs. *El Comité Organizador de B!B!E! * *RECORDATORIO* Bike!Bike! En todas partes! Es un encuentro VIRTUAL en línea. Debido a la pandemia, y para hacerlo accesible a todxs sin importar dónde se encuentren. Lo único que necesitas es una computadora con cámara web y una conexión a Internet. Bike!Bike!CDMX 2022 Ciudad de México fue programada como la sede de la versión presencial de Bike!Bike! en 2022. *Bike!Bike! *En todas partes no busca de ninguna manera reemplazar la versión presencial que CDMX pudiera realizar este año y con mucho gusto apoyaremos y nos coordinaremos para asegurar que el evento sea un éxito. Hemos tratado de hacer contacto de distintas maneras pero no hemos recibido respuesta sobre cuando o si B!B!CDMX sucederá. Si alguien del equipo de B!B!CDMX desea contactarnos para coordinarnos mejor, por favor mándenos un correo a bikebikeeverywhere(a)gmail.com *____________________________* *English* Bike!Bike! is an international yearly gathering organized by and for people who engage in bicycle advocacy and bicycle community projects. Usually, it is hosted in person in a different city every year but the COVID-19 pandemic threw a wrench in our community’s annual plans. In 2021, Bike!Bike!Everywhere! was hosted entirely online and was a virtual space where bicycle enthusiasts could share their experiences relating to a variety of topics, such as pandemic management, teaching, mechanics, social impact, better access to bicycles, diversity, equity, inclusion, and more. After the success of B!B!E! 2021, we’re seizing the opportunity to continue growing our international bicycle community in a virtual way. If you’re interested in presenting a project/initiative that you or your organization is doing, or leading a workshop to share some new skills you learned, or want to lead a discussion on a topic relating to bicycles and community, or anything similar to this, then please register here. https://en.bikebike.org/conferences/South2022/ Official flyer <https://drive.google.com/file/d/1N5GuUEO5MruP4fZ7-doSb1MyfIWJFe-q/view?usp=…> *Follow us on instagram <https://www.instagram.com/bikebikeorg/>* We are accepting proposals for workshops/presentations/discussions from July 20th to August 30th. We’re calling for registrations earlier this year because, since this is an international conference, it will take a bit of time to organize the event based on different time zones and presenters’ availability. Share this information with your local communities. We’re looking forward to meeting up with, learning from, and building networks with you. B!B!E! Organizing Committee REMINDER Bike!Bike!Everywhere! is an online VIRTUAL conference. Due to the pandemic and also to make it accessible to anyone regardless of where they’re from. The only thing you need is a computer with a webcam and internet connection. Bike!Bike!CDMX 2022 Ciudad de Mexico was scheduled to host the in-person version of Bike!Bike! In 2022. Bike!Bike!Everywhere! is in no way trying to replace the in-person version that CDMX may host this year and we’re happy to support and coordinate to make sure that this event is a success. We’ve tried to reach out in various ways but have not received a response as to if/when B!B!CDMX was happening. If someone from the B!B!CDMX team would like to reach out and coordinate further, please email us at bikebikeeverywhere(a)gmail.com

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Traffic-calming mural art
by Jody Davison 22 Jul '22

22 Jul '22

Hi bikey friends! I'm on the board for our neighborhood organization and over the years have gotten the general conversation to budge beyond people who complain about car parking... bit by bit! So now they are tearing out our single family bungalows en masse and building apartment complexes to the scale of 350+ units each. Four in less than two years, all within 8 blocks of us. We bought in this community because of the transit accessibility, but we still have those TERRIBLE 20-inch ankle-breaking rollover sidewalks and pisspoor intersections, etc. We're simply not at all accommodated to take the blow of adding thousands more car trips each day, and we've also created lots more cement. It's clearly time for some traffic-calming efforts that our officials would otherwise tend to in about year 2050. I've been bringing to the board the thought of doing some murals (we also face a large freeway retaining wall, so there's PLENTY of canvass!) that raise bike/ped/transit awareness. The general response has always been YES - great idea! But no one actually does anything. I see all the mini-grants from Safe Routes and other usual suspects, but I can't submit for them, even with the weight of the RNO behind me, without at least a handful of things to show them. I've put out an open call for artists and an open call for image sample ideas and gotten squat. I'm guessing that I'm asking the wrong people. Why would the group that goes to monthly meetings to complain that there is no longer street parking directly in front of their home going to deliver traffic-calming sample images to my inbox?? *It occurs to me - YOU are the right people!! * *Please send/share your favorite, most impactful traffic-calming images* that share bike/ped/transit love, inspire people to drive less and be more cautious when they do, that these are healthy choices, that there are two major transit hubs that people need to be able to get to/from... etc!! Also if you know Denver-based artists that you like, I'm welcoming those connections, too! THANK YOU !!! Pedal proudly, Jody

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Fwd: Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op is hiring!
by Kai Addae 22 Jul '22

22 Jul '22

The AMAZING bike co-op I'm a part of in New Haven, CT is hiring! Applications are due next week-- folks nearby should definitely check it out! Warmly, Kai ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: John Martin <john(a)bsbc.co> Date: Fri, Jun 24, 2022 at 2:59 PM Subject: Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op is hiring! To: <kai(a)bsbc.co> Fill out the *interest form* inside by June 30! View this email in your browser <https://mailchi.mp/0298ab4c417f/bradley-street-bicycle-co-op-hiring?e=6ecca…> *Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op is hiring!* Our founder, John Martin, is stepping away from day-to-day duties and we are looking to hire one or more staff by the end of the Summer to fill the following roles. *We’re open to hiring one full-time person, a few part time folks, or some combination of the two, to collectively cover the responsibilities of all of these roles.* Our main priority is finding the right folks to help BSBC cover the roles below so we can continue to be a community bike shop working towards an equitable New Haven by getting people on bikes. *Shop Manager* - The Shop Manager keeps the heart of BSBC – our physical shop space – humming. From keeping an eye on volunteer work hours and managing inventory to keeping the shop clean and being a welcoming, warm presence, the Shop Manager manages the behind-the-scenes logistics to front-of-house vibes for all who participate in the space. - See more about this role here. <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> *Lead Mechanic* - The Lead Mechanic ensures the bikes that are repaired, sold, and donated by the BSBC are safe, functional, and reliable. The bikes donated to the BSBC all need work. The lead mechanic will bring the skills and knowledge needed to fix these bikes, while supporting volunteers to develop their skills and confidence. - See more about this role here. <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> *Programs Manager* - The Programs Manager brings BSBC’s mission to life via partnerships, community events, grantwriting, and building awesome relationships. From putting on skillshare workshops to finding the perfect partner to donate bikes to, you bring people into BSBC’s work who might not already be connected, and work alongside them to co-create magic neither of us could do alone. - See more about this role here. <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> *Operations Manager* - The Operations Manager maintains the behind-the-scenes magic of BSBC to keep our facility open, supported, and up to speed. You’ll manage “the books” (the money!), manage systems for donations and payment processing, and make sure we’re up to date with the crucial stuff, like taxes, insurance, and bills. - See more about this role here. <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> *Community Manager* - The Community Manager is the doorway for our volunteers and members to plug in and thrive within and around BSBC. You’ll host new member mixers and volunteer meetings, develop pathways for people to get involved, and be a friend to all involved in the co-op space. - See more about this role here. <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> Are you looking for a full-time job and think you can cover most of these roles? Let us know! Are you an excellent bike mechanic looking for a part time gig? We’d love to hear from you too! Are you a great organizer and community-builder but can’t fix a bike to save your life? That’s ok, reach out! *Please see the job descriptions <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> for more information about each of the roles*, including expected hours and pay. Ideally, the first day of work would be sometime in September 2022 to allow for training overlap and full handoff of responsibilities from John. *If you are interested in one or more of these roles, please apply by July 28th AKA on July 27th at 11:59 PM.* APPLICATIONS HERE <https://bsbc.co/jobs> *EEO: We are committed to building a creative and dynamic work environment that celebrates individual differences and diversity and treats everyone with fairness and respect. We do not discriminate in practices or employment opportunities on the basis of an individual’s race, color, national or ethnic origin, religion, age, sex, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, marital status, veteran status, disability, or any other category protected by federal, state, or local regulations. We strongly encourage candidates of color to apply.* *The Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op is a community bike shop working towards an equitable New Haven by getting more people on bikes.* Questions? Comments? Shoot me an email, or better yet, let's get coffee and talk about it! john(a)bsbc.co *Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op* 138 Bradley St New Haven, CT 06511 http://bsbc.co/ <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> Come say hi! This email was sent to kai(a)bsbc.co *why did I get this?* <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/about?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&id=af4a…> unsubscribe from this list <https://bsbc.us13.list-manage.com/unsubscribe?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb44119d4&i…> update subscription preferences <https://bsbc.mailchimpsites.com/manage/preferences?u=b0b649a09044d7f5eb4411…> Bradley Street Bicycle Co-op · 138 Bradley St · New Haven, Ct 06511 · USA [image: Email Marketing Powered by Mailchimp] <http://www.mailchimp.com/email-referral/?utm_source=freemium_newsletter&utm…>

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Mechanic classes
by LaBikery 21 Jul '22

21 Jul '22

Hi everyone! I'm new to this community so hopefully I'm doing this right. For a couple of months now I have been working as the operation manager of a non-profit community bike shop in Eastern Canada, and I was hoping to get some inspiration and ideas for putting up mechanic classes. I would be looking for any insights or examples of classes that you gave at your shops. I'm mostly wondering about the curriculum itself, like the "level" of the curriculum. Should I make a complete mechanic class that could almost get you a job (I have the training for it), or should I just keep it to the essentials? And what should I charge, if anything? Last thing, I'm curious what's your experience teaching kids under, say 15 or 16? Is it worth it or are they usually not interested enough? Thank you! *Vincent Savary (he/il)Operation manager/Gestionnaire des opérations* *Coopérative La Bikery Co-operative* *Centre de vélo communautaire * *Community Bicycle Centre**https://labikery.ca/ <https://labikery.ca/>* *Opening hours: Thursday 4-7PM, Sat. 11-2PMHeures d'ouverture : Jeudi 16h-19h, samedi 11h-14h* 120 boul. Assomption blvd, Moncton NB (506) 830-2453 <http://labikery.ca/> <https://www.facebook.com/LaBikery> <https://twitter.com/LaBikery> *Check us out on social media by clicking on the icons above*

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BBE work party/fiesta to look for other CBS and bike organizations
by Bike!Bike! Everywhere! 02 Jul '22

02 Jul '22

BBE work party to look for other CBS and bike organizations *English/Español* Hello! Do you love cycling and building an international cycling community?! We’re a group of volunteers organizing Bike!Bike!Everywhere! 2022 edition (keep an eye out for this) but we’re looking to include as many cycling advocates and enthusiasts as possible and we need your help. We’re having a work party on July 6 at 9 pm EST/6 pm PST where we’re going to research and see if we can find any additional organizations that are not already on this <https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/Community_Bicycle_Organizations> list. The main goal is to find contact information for more bike organizations, especially Spanish-language ones, so we can invite them to B!B!E! If you are interested and available to participate in this, please email us at bikebikeeverywhere(a)gmail.com *Thanks! * *Bike!Bike!Everywhere! organizing committee * __________________________________________________ *Hola* Te encantan las bicicletas y la idea de crear una comunidad internacional en torno al ciclismo? Somos un grupo de voluntarios organizando Bike!Bike!Entodaspartes! edición 2022 (pronto lo anunciarermos, atentos!) y estamos en procesos de incorporar a la mayor cantidad de activistas y entusiastas como nos sea posible y para esto te pedimos tu ayuda. Estamos organizando una fiesta/reunión para el próximo día *6 de julio a las 9pm hora del este (6pm hora del pacífico) *donde nos enfocaremos en dar con organizaciones que no estén en esta <https://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/Community_Bicycle_Organizations> lista. El objetivo es encontrar información de mapas organizaciones, en especial Hispano hablantes, para invitarles al próximo B!B!E!. SI estás interesad@ y disponible para participar en esta fiesta/reunión, por favor escríbenos al email bikebikeeverywhere(a)gmail.com . *Gracias!!* *Comité organizador Bici!Bici!Entodaspartes!*

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Onboarding and Volunteer Training
by Todd Spinner 15 Jun '22

15 Jun '22

Greetings Thinktank folks. Does anyone have any resources that you use to onboard and or train new volunteers? We would be appreciative of any materials that you may want to share with us. Thanks, Todd Spinner The Bike Project of Urbana-Champaign Illinois

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Boards, Thethinktank Digest, Vol 188, Issue 1
by Robert Rands 02 Jun '22

02 Jun '22

Boards need to exist to felicitate the organization, not to be vehicles for a bullet point on someone's resume. The legal fiction is so that coöperatives can run unmanaged by others, particularly the government, outside of providing a framework of rights and legitimate responsibilities. As such, boards should be both organically formed from within and by the organization, while seeking out to strengthen the organization in its structure and goals by adding any necessary elements. Maintaining both a sense of empowerment and agency, for each individual within the organization as well as for the organization is a key factor. Being self-strong, while reaching out to increase strength within the community and of the community is integral. The organization should be self-formed, with guidance by the board and the participating community, within a framework of rights and responsibilities, with structural mechanisms and principles, such as Roberts Rules of Order and coöperative principles. ~Robert Allan Rands Board member, SoPo Bikes (SoPo Bicycle Coöperative), Reynoldstown Atlanta, Georgia On Thursday, June 2, 2022, 09:03:40 PM GMT+1, <thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Governance Transitions? (cyclista(a)inventati.org) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2022 00:39:17 +0000 From: cyclista(a)inventati.org To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Governance Transitions? Message-ID: <c181ccaf5487d5b8b13ef049265569d3(a)inventati.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed We had to consider this extensively; never got to exactly where you are but one important thing stood out in the consideration over time: nobody should be on a board unless they have strong standing in running the day-to-day of the shop, or, at the least, the board should have a required majority of members having that qualification. Don't go down the path of a board with an agenda that doesn't fit with what the organization needs in order to thrive on a daily basis - and more broadly, accomplish its mission. It's one thing to have stakeholders on the board *in addition* to former staff or experts; it's completely another to seat people who simply want to have some measure of leverage or influence for their own reasons. The purpose of a board, from the federal government's perspective, is so that the government may retain a reliable point of contact through any potiential changes or adversity. It's s huge deal to the feds to remove the requirement to pay taxes, and they don't want to grant that status without assurance that the entity will remain responsive and responsible from a federal standpoint. What this means is that there is no requirement for the board to do any particular thing other than exist and be prepared to liase with the feds should they require it. The board can be a board of directors, who exert vision and authority, or it can simply be a board of advisors, assisting those who already run the organization. Really it can be a board of [anything]. It just has to fulfill the few barebones duties demanded by nonprofit specifications. So be careful how you choose them and appoint them. Do set out very carefully right away who gets to choose them; one of the worst configurations, because nepotism and incest, is the current board voting on the new board members. Any good idea might be protected in this way long-term (which is why a lot of organizations cling to this method), but it can also mean bad ideas have the ability infect a board for generations, even outliving the tenure of the members who originally set them in motion. Probably better to identify stakeholder groups (whom are served or targeted by the organization) and operational groups (staff, volunteers, other support personnel), and extend the right (or requirement) to vote to them. As for accountability, elections play a part in that - not only the initial elections themselves, but the frequency of them. More frequent elections, for instance, might mean more opportunities to cut off bad work or behavior. ~cyclista Nicholas On 2022-05-27 08:23, Thomas Butler wrote: > Austin's Yellow Bike Project is going through a governance transition. > We > used to be a fairly horizontally organized consensus-run collective of > volunteers who did the day-to-day of what happens at the shop, and our > size > wasn't limited. We are becoming an exclusive board of probably 6-9 > people. > Some of us are still running shops, but about half are not. > > We're currently trying to work out (among many other things) how board > members are (s)elected and to whom the board is accountable. Or more > concretely, how the board is held accountable. We don't have "members," > so > the questions of "who gets to vote" is among the ones we're trying to > answer. > > If you have thoughts or if your org went through something like this > I'm > interested to hear about it. In particular what best practices and > pitfalls > you encountered. > > The board also has appetite for working through this with a > professional. > Some of us are less psyched about people who don't have experience with > groups that have our consensus- / volunteer-run d.i.y. culture, > horizontal > organizing history, etc. Many of them have experience only with the > more > traditional non-profit board model and struggle to wrap their heads > around > how we used to operate and why. Suggestions are welcome. > > Feel free to email me privately if you like at > thomas.unavailable(a)gmail.com > Or you can reply here. > > Thanks > Thomas Butler > he | him | his > Austin's Yellow Bike Project > austinyellowbike.org > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… ------------------------------ End of Thethinktank Digest, Vol 188, Issue 1 ********************************************

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