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Our Booth at Interbike 2008
by Jonathan Morrison 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Like last year the Bike Collective Network will have an advocacy booth at Interbike (www.interbike.com) from Sept 24th until Sept 26th. Yes, they scheduled Bike!Bike! on top of it this year. So if you are not planning on going to Bike!Bike! this is a great opportunity for grants, tools, parts, sponsorships, manufacturer seconds, networking, professional workshops that will put your head in a whirl for months, and not to mention tearing up the Vegas strip on a bike. So three things: 1) This booth is for all of us, and people with deep pockets ask where the closest community bike shop for a donation, it is helpful if we can give them your info. So please mail any materials you want handed out before Sept 22nd to: 2312 S. West Temple; Salt Lake City, UT 84115. If you have photo albums, they would be great and we will mail them back after the show. 2) We will be printing out copies of the Bike Collective Network Directory (not the wiki) to hand out, so please make sure you are listed. http://www.bikecollectives.org/component/option,com_sobi2/sobi2Task,addNew/ 3) If you are planning on going to Interbike, please contact me (off the list) so we can establish some volunteer shifts at the booth. If you are coming alone feel free to room and board with us, we usually get a bunch of rooms at Circus Circus and pack as many people in as possible. -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.

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bike!bike! thursday
by allison karow 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

I can't tell from the bikebike website if there will be any events on Thursday during the day. Our shop is trying to decide when we will leave for san fran. Does anyone know yet how early we should get there, and how late we should stay on sunday? Thanks!

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think tank
by Ainsley Naylor 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

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Flying to Bike!Bike! and old schedule from 2007?
by Cris Shirley 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Hey! I'm really excited to go to bike!bike! this year but it's on the other side of the country for me, so i'd need to fly. Anyone have any suggestions for cheap flight to get there (i'll be flying out of JFK should I definitely flight to the san francisco airport? or is there a better one?) please lemme know! I also thought about flying standby with airtran ($99 one way, but no guarantee how long i'll wait and they first fly me to atlanta, i believe anyone know any other standby flight options?) but don't know people that have done it, anyone tried this before? ( http://www.airtranu.com/airtran_u.aspx#how) I assume I can get from the airport to the location by public transportation, but i haven't found anything on the website on how to do that, if anyone knows that'd be great to know how to do. Also, i'd really either like to see the work shops being offered this year, or at least see the workshops that were offered last year if anyone has that info, it'd be really helpful for me (especially if i'm going to ask another student organization to pay for me to go). I've been starting this bike collective in new haven, but we are in transition (new location) and should revise our operations significantly so i hear this would be a great thing to attend (right?) and that it'd be worth the money I spend rather than buying more tools for the collective. xoxo cris

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Re: [TheThinkTank] New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hurray for Plan B! Hurray for New Orleans! It is good to know that you are all alright. Please let everyone know if you need help. This may not be something you can turn your mind to just yet, but... Bill Quigley's "Katrina Pain Index" hit my inbox about seventeen times the week of the anniversary of Katrina. One of the alarming statistics contained in it was that 80% of the pre-Katrina public transit capacity has not been restored. I've cycled in New Orleans in your August heat, and it was a bit much for this Canadian girl-- give me an unplowed winter street any day! Those of you who cycle in that Southern humidity are tough! I've walked long distances in that humidity, too, and it made me so sad to think of people-- particularly old folks and little kids-- walking forever because there are no buses anymore. Fixing the public transit system is going to be a challenge for you all. That stat did make me wonder about whether or not you all or any one in your community had developed a more extensive alternative to the official New Orleans bike plan to help people who do not have cars. If not, do you know what your people and your city needs, can we set up a wiki and help you to develop a great one? Some of us are working with a wiki to design a bike plan for the Detroit-Windsor region, and that model is working well so far. We are developing a plan that contains both items that we, as citizens and denizens, are either already doing or can just start implementing all by ourselves, and things that we can take with us to meetings with all levels of government and with church groups and businesses, etc.. This ground up approach to city transportation plan design is kind of awesome so far; once our bike plan is a little father along, we will formally invite groups like Tansit Riders United, anti-poverty groups, women's groups, and others, to participate with us-- some of us already members of those groups, so those view points are already informally involved. If I can help New Orleans by helping with you develop that sort of plan, it would make me very happy-- so many of the people on this list have mad skills and lots of experience, but not much money to help you in other ways. Love to all of you and to your city-- have fun at Bike!Bike! Sasha On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:04:34 -0400 plan b NOLA Bike Project <nolabikeproject(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hey y'all! > >Plan B is up and we hope to reopen tomorrow! Most of us were in >Jackson, Ms. >at Ethan Clark's family home when Gustav hit. Everyone is doing >well and >there doesn't seem to be any damage to Plan B, although I've only >been >around the exterior of the building; I hope to go in today. In my >hurry to >depart on Sunday I made Plan B my last stop to take important >papers, close >windows, remove money, etc. and I locked the building keys inside >the bike >shop. Oops! > >I'll post an update when I go in today but really, everything >should be >fine. That building's a fortress! > >There are a few of us that plan to head to Bike!Bike! so I'm >looking forward >to meeting you then. > >Thank y'all so much for your concern!!! > >All the best, >Victor Pizarro > >On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Jay Varner <jay(a)sopobikes.org> >wrote: > >> Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to >reach >> ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. >> >> In solidarity, >> Jay >> Sopo Bikes, Atlanta >> sopobikes.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjBaUIACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl25wCeMx7z8wBj9PDz233vGiLGknWJqWQA oLaMXk0QQ7ghkFc98uAZyA/c/Q0V =ogzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by Jay Varner 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to reach ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. In solidarity, Jay Sopo Bikes, Atlanta sopobikes.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kyle McKinley, I love that I can open an e-mail and read that anyone is someone's "favorite living bicycle thinker". Thank you for having a catagory of "bicycle thinkers" in your head, for having favorites, and for having so many favorites that they must be subcatagorized into "living" and, presumably, "dead" 'bicycle thinkers'. Reading your post cheered me up and made me feel that the world is a good place. I think I'll go read Mr. Brandt on wheels right now. It just became the most important thing on my to-do list. Kudos to all Americans for your historic Presidential slate-- Obama-Biden, McKinney-Clemente, Nader-Gonzalez, even McCain-Palin, despite the shudder that one gives me--has everyone seen the photos of Barak Obama riding his bike around Chicago like a regular commuter cyclist? Sasha On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:48:30 -0400 kyle mckinley <bicirider(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Mr. Brandt is my favorite living bicycle thinker. His posting on >wheels >(fully catalogued on the web) make for incredibly interesting and >entertaining reading. Unlike most everyone else out there, Brandt >is a >engineer, with no links to the industry. He's exactly the kind of >grumpy old >codger that we need in this scene, and I've never known him to be >wrong. >Thanks for these reposts... His gruff responses make me laugh out >loud. >-kyle > > >On 8/6/08, Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> wrote: >> >> Speaking of Jobst, he has an FAQ on Sheldon's site: >> >> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html >> >> Lots of good reading (and opinions) there. >> >> Mark Rehder >> http://re-cycles.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> > > > >-- >If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bicis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAki59DwACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl0sACfeK2qRqONK7S6floCo+OhCrYjAMYA njJOkg1q8nCajAql7ZZqaSYTutwf =/gpi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I second that; when things settle down, please let non-locals know how we can help. You are all in everyone's thoughts and prayers. Sasha On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:58:04 -0400 Jay Varner <jay(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: >Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to >reach >ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. > >In solidarity, >Jay >Sopo Bikes, Atlanta >sopobikes.org >_______________________________________________ >Thethinktank mailing list >Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAki9EN8ACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlZLQCcCkqBsJV5AffBp3T/7Y7vvhNJnukA oLibxHQVqVz2E20MY7dG2LvRmEu3 =R+Tb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Frozen seatpost
by BovineOaks＠aol.com 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

Friends I have removed many seat posts that bike shops could not get out, I have tried many chemicals, saw blades, oxy/acetyl torch. I have witnessed frame builders and frame painters melt them out with torches. If you get lucky and have very little corrosion you can put a bike upside down in a bench vice clamping on the seat post. If you have lots of corrosion that extends 4 to 6 inches down the seat post, Chemistry will not eat down 4 inches in less than a year. I have only seen the erosion of a few millimeters of the oxidation with chemical remedies. This will work if you are lucky and have very little corrosion. When you are not lucky then a long saw blade used mindfully will cause the least amount of damage to the bike frame. If you are going to repaint the bike then using an oxy/acetyl torch will melt the aluminum seat post out of STEEL BIKE FRAMES ONLY. The heat will destroy the paint and the torch is placed inside the seat post not outside on the frame seat tube. If too much heat is used the seat tube will crack or the seat stays will become unbrazed. Great care is needed and a bunch of skill if you are to use a torch. Cold works best if the seat post is not inside the seat tube. When they are bound together tightly they are hard to cool at different rates. When they are cooled at the same rate they stay bound together. Once again if there is very little corrosion binding the two together, cooling may work. The saw works the best for the least amount of damage to the frame. It is slow going and hard work, but it works every time. Christopher Wallace Chicago **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt
by Andrew Bushaw 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

I have run into this a few times with aluminum seatposts/steel frames. I've tried the ammonium route before but found it much to stinky/messy and didn't get results. I have had success with a sheldon method of taking a longish hacksaw blade and cutting a vertical slit in the seatpost from the inside, stopping once you get near the frame. Then I grabbed onto it with a monkey wrench and it just sort of collapsed into itself as I twisted it. Very, very time intensive but effective. I've also heard the CO2 heating/cooling trick works as well. -Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt > (Rigel Christian) > 2. Re: Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt > (Arlen Cooke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:33:09 -0700 > From: "Rigel Christian" <rigelc(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by > Jobst Brandt > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <d47aa47d0808302133h343be5bcm4f56b1b27876d95b(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > the people on the framebuilders list suggest two things when everything else > has failed: > > 1) ammonia > 2) lye (red devil has been removed from the market because of meth hysteria, > but drano works - anything with sodium hydroxide as the primary ingredient) > > these work for aluminum-seatpost-with-steel-frame only, AFAIK. the latter > will actually eat away at the seatpost itself (and produce probably-nasty > fumes). the former stinks really bad. > > i have never tried either of these, but they seem reasonable from a chemical > standpoint. > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Ethan <elabowitz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> For a seatpost (or any aluminum part that fits into a steel tube), I would >> think one would prefer to cool down the offending aluminum seatpost rather >> than heat the (painted steel) seat tube. >> >> Cool seatpost = smaller seatpost, ya? >> >> I hear this can be done with a CO2 cartridge, but I've never had to try it. >> >> Ethan >> Richmond, VA >> -- >> http://bikebuilding.blogspot.com >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM, joshua muir <muirjoshua(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >>> I didn't see anything abut heat in there- I have had a fair bit of success >>> heatng stuck joints, and pulling stuck aluminum stems and seat posts. >>> >>> just don't overheat (or use the auluminum parts again). >>> >>> josh >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:30 PM, <dragonfly(a)mac.hush.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> >>>> Kyle McKinley, I love that I can open an e-mail and read that >>>> anyone is someone's "favorite living bicycle thinker". >>>> >>>> Thank you for having a catagory of "bicycle thinkers" in your >>>> head, for having favorites, and for having so many favorites that >>>> they must be subcatagorized into "living" and, presumably, "dead" >>>> 'bicycle thinkers'. >>>> >>>> Reading your post cheered me up and made me feel that the world >>>> is a good place. >>>> >>>> I think I'll go read Mr. Brandt on wheels right now. It just >>>> became the most important thing on my to-do list. >>>> >>>> Kudos to all Americans for your historic Presidential slate-- >>>> Obama-Biden, McKinney-Clemente, Nader-Gonzalez, even McCain-Palin, >>>> despite the shudder that one gives me--has everyone seen the photos >>>> of Barak Obama riding his bike around Chicago like a regular >>>> commuter cyclist? >>>> >>>> Sasha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:48:30 -0400 kyle mckinley >>>> <bicirider(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr. Brandt is my favorite living bicycle thinker. His posting on >>>>> wheels >>>>> (fully catalogued on the web) make for incredibly interesting and >>>>> entertaining reading. Unlike most everyone else out there, Brandt >>>>> is a >>>>> engineer, with no links to the industry. He's exactly the kind of >>>>> grumpy old >>>>> codger that we need in this scene, and I've never known him to be >>>>> wrong. >>>>> Thanks for these reposts... His gruff responses make me laugh out >>>>> loud. >>>>> -kyle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/08, Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of Jobst, he has an FAQ on Sheldon's site: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of good reading (and opinions) there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Rehder >>>>>> http://re-cycles.ca >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Thethinktank mailing list >>>>>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >>>>>> >>>>> bikecollectives.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bicis >>>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify >>>> Charset: UTF8 >>>> Version: Hush 3.0 >>>> >>>> wkYEARECAAYFAki59DwACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl0sACfeK2qRqONK7S6floCo+OhCrYjAMYA >>>> njJOkg1q8nCajAql7ZZqaSYTutwf >>>> =/gpi >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Thethinktank mailing list >>>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Joshua Muir >>> joshua(a)santacruzhub.org >>> >>> Frances Cycles -- francescycles.com >>> Handbuilt cycling framesets >>> Touring, Track, Road,Cross, and Cycletrucks for hauling any distance >>> >>> >>> The Bicycle Church Collective >>> Community Self-Service Cycle Repair >>> 3pm to 7pm everyday except Sunday >>> 703 Pacific Ave (enter on Spruce St) >>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060 >>> (831) 425-2453 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> >> >

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