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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

BikeBike, Was fabulous and real! I am teeming with ideas and energy from being there. I applaud the organizers who worked their asses off to make it great on a very human level; people who are doers and clear thinkers! Bravo to you all! The world improves one bike at a time! Cheers, Gary On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:49 PM, <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org>wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. bike bike (tom emm) > 2. Re: bike bike (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) > 3. Re: bike bike - Advocacy (Rich Points) > 4. Re: meeting protocal and questions about programming > (Macho Philipovich) > 5. Re: bike bike (Forrest Cutrer) > 6. Re: bike bike (Bruce Lien) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:30:41 -0400 > From: "tom emm" <tom48236(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <ff627a300810021330l3fe419f7sfcba97eae7d783a(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > pizza in the city by the bay? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:36:55 -0600 > From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <53e5a1720810021336j324ed48dt15f48fffc3e382c3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get > back from san francisco... > > in the best way possible, of course. > > josh. > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > > pizza in the city by the bay? > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > >

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Starting your own?
by Mark Rehder 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

I was asked off-list for advice in getting a bike collective started and keeping it going, and after sending I thought it might be helpful to post it to the list. Mark +++++++++++ Getting one started can be tough. Our shop had some problems getting going, and a similar shop opened this year in another part of town and we've been helping them keep their spirits up while they struggle. The big challenges are: - finding an affordable space (you'll need lots of room for all the bikes and parts) - ability to pay rent while getting things ramped up and income happening - getting insurance For our shop, we started out in donated spaces, but those got taken away as the landlords found paying tenants. After losing our second such space we realized we needed to pay rent and stay in the same location, otherwise it's hard to attract volunteers and customers when they can't trust that you'll stay open. But then the money thing comes in. And landlords don't always like to rent to one person for some vague bicycle collective. We lucked out by approaching a public interest research group (PIRG) on one of the campuses here and became one of their working groups. So they signed the lease for us, and after much wrangling let us have our own bank account. Affiliating with them turned us into a legal entity, so we could get both that bank account as well as insurance. But we still needed some funding to tide us over. We filed a grant application with a local funding org. and were able to get a two-year operating grant, with the provision that we be self-sustaining at the end of the two years. Once again being part of the PIRG made this happen, as there was no way the funder would just give our little collective money without someone taking legal responsibility. So the PIRG got the money and disbursed it to us at regular intervals. In the end it worked out great for us. The PIRG more or less left us alone, especially once they saw how hard we worked, and that we had achieved the self-sustainability within the first year (that made the 2nd year's grant money just extra cash in the band for us). We're still affiliated with them, and have not had to ask anyone for money since that first grant (grant applications, and then the follow- up reports, are a big pain in the butt). We've built up (and maintain) a year's operating expense in the bank in case anything goes wrong, and in terms of our various numbers we've grown each year. One thing we had to do with the grant was track some numbers, since they'd want to see some "results". So we kept track of the number of bikes sold and recycled (scrapped), number of people served, volunteer hours, that sort of thing. And we kept that up after the grant was done, and this has been very useful in helping us identify how the shop gets used. Each year a report is produced and we see how the numbers may have changed, specially if we'd implemented a policy or changed an old one. For instance in 2004 we had approx. 630 people use our shop, and we processed about 150 bikes. In 2005 we moved to a larger room in the same building and those numbers jumped to 1000 and 200 respectively, and by 2007 it was 1500 and 400! If nothing else it showed us that we were on the right track with our operations. About our shop: - We have only one paid person (me) and at that I only get a monthly honourarium (and I worked as Director for four years on a volunteer basis before requesting it). - We sell two different levels of bikes. Fully overhauled, from around $100 to $200, and As Is, meaning safety checked and all systems working but not rebuilt, for $40 and up. Bare frames for projects go from free on up. - Most parts aside from wheels are $1 to $10, but of course the really nice goodies (and we don't get a lot of those) are kept in a locked display case and priced accordingly. My personal opinion is that you should somehow find some funding to get you started, but avoid it after that if at all possible. This way you don't have to answer to anyone beyond your landlord. If you wish to run programs that cannot be self-sustaining just keep in mind that time and energy will have to be spent finding the ongoing funding and maintaining it, and you'll be at the whims of the funding orgs. If you start making a profit (your income exceeds your expenses) then perhaps that would be a good time to look into such projects.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie
by troy neiman 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but worth tracking it down. Troy @ BICAS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 > > > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. > Steve Davis > Seven Hills School > 700 Hoover Lane > Nevada City, CA 95959 > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: > > > 1. E.T. all throughout. > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, > > she's like 13 years old > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was promiscuous > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the > > bike bloomers! > > 6. I second 2 seconds. > > > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, > > wish I was there!! > > > > XX > > Kimchi > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt <annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Thethinktank mailing list > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- Kim Jensen > > > > Studio > > la (213) 482 76 62 > > www.fleurstudio.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie (cedric@holycitybikecoop.org)
by Holy City Bike Co-op 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Speaking of movies on bikes, I'm thinking more and more about bicycles as a way to provide a broader message. As a mode of transportation that respects its environment (both physical and human), they are ideal catalysts for social change. And that is probably why bike co-ops make sense. Anyhow, it's been wonderfully informative to follow the list. I look forward in further participation as we grow. We also anticipate the Bike Bike Southeast! to be wonderful. Maybe we could volunteer to teach a mechanic's class, or something like that (brakes, chain, tires)? Bikes! Cedric cedric(a)holycitybikecoop.org --- On Tue, 9/30/08, thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> wrote: From: thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26 To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:01 PM Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: favorite bike movie (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) 2. Re: favorite bike movie (rachael spiewak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:16 -0600 From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Message-ID: <53e5a1720809301136ob88fdah74942bb5e7cbdb48(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" is anyone else interested in trading--ahem--sharing movies with the group? most of the ones i've got are more mainstream--breaking away, american flyers, triplets, etc--but i'd be into expanding our library for movie nights and such. strictly for "educational" purposes, of course. i guess email me off the list if you're interested. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Boson Au <boson.au(a)gmail.com> wrote: > oh man a bike ride => bike movie night sounds awesome... I wanna run this > by some peeps here and make it happen. > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, <veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> speaking of so bad they're good horror movies with bikes, "blood trails"<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805185/>is pretty awful. the description totally oversells it, but it's got a great >> scene with the villian killing someone by table topping his sprocket into >> someone's neck. you know, cos everyone rides a bike with razor sharp >> chainwheels. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, troy neiman <troyneiman(a)myself.com>wrote: >> >>> We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in >>> Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. >>> >>> You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews >>> http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm >>> >>> more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD >>> CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film >>> spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten >>> teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car >>> full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but >>> worth tracking it down. >>> >>> Troy @ BICAS >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> >>> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie >>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 >>> > >>> > >>> > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great >>> > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. >>> > Steve Davis >>> > Seven Hills School >>> > 700 Hoover Lane >>> > Nevada City, CA 95959 >>> > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us >>> > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: >>> > >>> > > 1. E.T. all throughout. >>> > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko >>> > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. >>> > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right >>> > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, >>> > > she's like 13 years old >>> > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was >>> promiscuous >>> > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the >>> > > bike bloomers! >>> > > 6. I second 2 seconds. >>> > > >>> > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in >>> > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, >>> > > wish I was there!! >>> > > >>> > > XX >>> > > Kimchi >>> > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt < >>> annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Thethinktank mailing list >>> > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- Kim Jensen >>> > > >>> > > Studio >>> > > la (213) 482 76 62 >>> > > www.fleurstudio.com >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Be Yourself @ mail.com! >>> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >

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Thanks
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Kitchen and Bike Church and all involved, Thank you for all of your hard work. I am inspired by your efforts and feel very fortunate to have been able to participate in Bike!Bike! I met a ton of great people with clear minds energetically involved in creating a better world through cycling and service. As a new person to decentralized cycling collectives and community cycling initiatives I have come away filled with ideas and energy. I laud all of your hard work and long hours creating a very successful conference and I hope to return next year with experiences to share with all of my own success from following the example you all have set! Thank-you, Gary Burden Participant

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Thank You Bike Kitchen and Church
by Rich Points 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Bike Hosts, I just wanted to thank everyone who helped make bike bike happen this year. Your efforts are appreciated. It's invaluable to be able to meet and talk shop with other coops/collectives/non-profits. Looking forward to next year in Minneapolis! Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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favorite bike movie
by Ann Altstatt 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie?

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speaking of bikebike southeast!
by rachael spiewak 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

GET EXCITED! *Go here for more info:* southeast.bikebike.org You can *sign up for the mailing list* there. Of course, EVERYONE is invited to participate. By design, we want to meet the needs of folks developing shops in the South, but don't let that stop you from being a part of the fun! * Just added to the workshop possibilities list: * - How to work with the media, facilitated by Jamie Gumbrecht, Atlanta-Journal Constitution Reporter and friend of Sopo - Assertiveness for community bike shop folks: How to advocate for your safe space, approach foundations, and otherwise say what you gotta say - Grantseeking at the Foundation Center (a free library of foundation/grant information...gonna see if they'll do something special for us). - Community bike shops in marginalized communities (hopefully one of our teens will give a talk about developing a shop in his refugee community). *What you can do to help: * - Find more people who need to get involved. Any rumblings about new shops around your neck of the woods? Sign those people up to come! Let's really reach out to anyone who wants to get in on the community bike shop game. - Holler at us off of this mailing list so we don't clutter it up. Let us know if you're game! - Make swag. We can email you the graphic if you'd like to screen some shirts or patches. - Suggest workshop topics and/or volunteer to facilitate!!! If you know lots, great! If you know not lots and you want to change that, even better! - If you are traveling by car or if you have hauling capabilities, consider bringing a loaner bike or two with you. We can't keep loaners in stock around here. - Likewise, if you would like to solicit food donations and you can haul it over here, that would be great. We're going to work with our local FnB chapter, but the food donation climate around here is a bit hostile and we don't want to take away from the good work they're struggling to do. - Throw yourself a fundraiser party to come up with whatever travel money you might need. Your pals, Sopo -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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shop rules
by rachael spiewak 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Hi, everyone. Thanks for a fantastic weekend! I'm curious about whatever rules you may have posted at your shop. This might be a good wiki topic. I'd like to know if anyone's come up with clear, creative ways to state what kinds of behaviors are over the line. It would be nice to avoid having the word NO posted up and followed by a laundry list, but we need to make it plain as day that things like flirting or boozing in the shop are harmful to the shop atmosphere (for example). Thanks! Rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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Proposed Bicycle Frame Building Collective in Denver
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 29 Sep '08

29 Sep '08

To whom it may concern: My fellow cyclists, I am proposing to all who would be interested the development of a bicycle frame building collective in Denver. I have long been interested in building frames and my recent trip to Bike!Bike! in San Francisco has moved me from thought to action. I was able to participate in a short but excellent frame building seminar given by Josh from Bike Church in Santa Cruz. Josh has built some very lovely and functional frames using steel tubing. One of the frames Josh built is used to viably haul things, like his black Labrador Retriever. I believe in the bicycle. I believe that individuals who travel by their own power are quietly doing the best work for our environment and our planet. Could there not be a collective that used old bikes to make new and more effective bikes to move people and goods? My intent is as follows: Invite all interested to a meeting at to get an idea what a collective for the purpose of building frames would mean. I am looking for feedback and input along the following lines: 1. What types of bikes could be made i.e. cargo bikes, touring bikes , city bikes? 2. What tools and materials would be needed to start? 3. Would this be a for profit or an non profit or a mixture of both? 4. What would our mission be in regard to the community and the needs of the people around us? ie disadvantaged people learning a skill we could teach them? 5. Could viable bikes be created reusing some steel tubing from old bikes? 6. What tools and materials are available to train ourselves and others to build and repair frames? 7. Can building a bike for a specific practical purpose supersede buying one because of labor issues and artisanship? Thanks, Gary E Burden

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Addressing incidents from last year's BikeBike!
by Dave Caz 25 Sep '08

25 Sep '08

Hey all, My name is Dave, and I was asked to address a situation I created at last year's bikebike before attending the current conference, and after consideration, I wholeheartedly agree with the request and apologize it was not done sooner. Last year, at the bikebike party, I drank quite heavily and crossed major boundaries of people I never met. I created a very uncomfortable situation for people just trying to have a good time. I was responsible for making people feel threatened for their safety and space they deserved. I apologize for turning a people's night to celebrate into a bad memory for some. I can not say for sure what happened exactly, because I was too intoxicated to recall a large portion of that night, but the second hand accounts of my actions blew my mind. I have never acted in such a horrific way, nor have EVER considered to do the audacious things I did to people that eve. But I am responsible for my actions, drunk or not, and in no way excuse what I did. I owed it to the people who worked so hard to make bikebike! a success that year, to the visitors, conference members and all in attendance, to manage myself in a respectful manner, and I blew it. I am sorry. This year I promise to show the utmost control over my person as to never ever ever ever make people feel the way I did. I frequently dwell on the facts of what happened, and it is a burden I will have to live with, but live with AND change from it to never allow it to happen again. I will not be drinking before/during/after anything going on in the next potential FOREVER, and will also not be attending the celebration going on this year or next. All I ask is that you take me for who I am, and not the monster I was. I am truly sorry and understand that if I now have a bad reputation with you, I earned every bit of it, but I am trying to redeem myself. Sending this to 2 giant list-servs is not easy for me, but it is something I am doing to come clean to everyone. Hoping that people not expect a repeat from me, and encouraging others to police their actions and not lose control as I did. Remember a lot of people got their shit together and busted their collective asses to make this awesome thing happen. If you wish to talk to me about this, please come find me and we'll chat. I'm trying to learn from this as best as possible. Thanks to everyone for not blacklisting me and giving me a second chance. Again, I am truly sorry, and hope you can get past my past, as I am trying to do the same. peace, Milwaukee Dave.

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BC in Wisconsin
by Julia Schnell 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

So I'm just starting out and wondered how you all went about finding a space for your bike collective. Thanks! Julia.

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Non Profit Fund Raising/Membership letters
by Rich Points 23 Sep '08

23 Sep '08

Hey All, So it's getting to be that time of year again when we ask our current members to re-up and solicit new ones. I wanted to ask how you guys are writing these letters and maybe post a few on the wiki. Fund raising is not as fun as bike riding :-( -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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Cycling back east after Bike Bike
by Stephanie Previc 22 Sep '08

22 Sep '08

Hey all! Looking forward to Bike Bike and another year of great ideas and great people. I am heading down to San Francisco by Greyhound, but I'm interested in finding other cyclists to join me in riding back east after the conference. I'm fairly flexible as to when I need to leave SFO, and I would be open to going straight back through Yosemite, or taking a more southerly route from Los Angeles or San Diego. I am hoping to ride all the way back to Florida, but if anyone is going as far a the eastern slope of the Rockies, it would be great to find riding partners across the more desolate, western stretch. Feel free to email or call if you're planning on doing something similar! (352) 219-3408 -Ani

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Bike for Environmental Awareness
by Jennifer Nordhem 20 Sep '08

20 Sep '08

Please send this on to any of your friends, post on your blog or MySpace, etc. We can make this huge! This stuff is important! Love, Jen Next Saturday, September 27th, 1Sky.org , GreenJobsNow.com , and WeCanSolveit.org are hosting a rally and bike ride to bring awareness to the need for more green jobs! Below are details about the event and what the organization is going to accomplish. Please read and come out to show your support next week! The rally is at 10am, speakers at 11am and the ride to Washington Park is at 12pm. Bring your friends! Bring your parents! Bring your boss! We need as many people there as possible! Come and show your support for the environment and the need for green jobs! Check it out before going to the Track Shack Grand Opening! trackshackdenver.com If you believe in the following message come: Urge our elected officials to invest in creating millions of green jobs and a Clean Energy Corps. We can't drill and burn our way out of the current crisis. We can invest and invent our way out. We can create new pathways out of poverty and curb global warming at the same time. We will do this by retooling our factories, rebuilding our communities, and repowering America with 100% clean and renewable electricity. It's time to build an inclusive green economy strong enough to lift people out of poverty. There are events going on all over Denver (Highlands, 5 points, Cheesman Park), see the whole list here: http://events.greenjobsnow.com/events/search So what are we supporting exactly? The following text is care of BikeDenver.org ---- The 1Sky campaign (www.1Sky.org) is a new national campaign that pressures the presidential candidates to take bold federal action on global warming. Our goal is to make global warming a priority and get real solutions passed. America needs solutions based on science and justice that match the scale of the problem of climate change. The 1Sky platform includes global warming emission reductions 25-40% by 2020 and 80% by 2050, a moratorium on new coal fired power plants and investment in clean and renewable technology, and the creation of 5 million new green jobs as pathways out of poverty. Transportation amounts to almost a third of global warming emissions, and supporting bikes and cyclists to make riding safe and easy is the easiest way to start reducing those emissions! To jumpstart this campaign, there is a National Day of Action for Green Jobs. As part of the campaign, we’re going to make the National Day of Action for Green Jobs a success. Below are the details for the event. We need everyone to get involved come to these event in order to send a clear message to our leaders in Washington. The Rally starts at 10 and needs to be a visible presence of 100 people from diverse communities in order to get the media’s attention. We’ll have action booths, sign-in photo petitions, and letter writing. At 11 we’ll have three short speakers and media coverage, and at 11:30 we’ll head off to Washington Park on the Cherry Creek path and bike around Washington Park. It’s really important to have people from the ride also at the rally in order to get the visibility of how many people are involved, so please come for both! *What: Green Jobs Rally and Ride When: Saturday, September 27th at 10am Starts: The Alliance Center, 1536 Wynkoop, Denver To: Washington Park Who: www.GreenJobsNow.com* Climate change affects us all in some way, whether it be the health of our communities, the enjoyment of our wilderness, or the simple belief that Americans deserve an equitable and sustainable future. We need Green Jobs in order to transform us into the new green economy. Please RSVP to eleanor(a)greencorps.org or call at 773-750-7845 so we can know how many to expect. We hope to see you there! Eleanor Green Corps Field Organizer eleanor(a)greencorps.org 773-750-7845

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Fwd: [BikeBike08] Transportation to/from Denver
by Ann Altstatt 19 Sep '08

19 Sep '08

---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: <burdenistic(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Sep 19, 2008 at 12:01 AM Subject: [BikeBike08] Transportation to/from Denver To: bikebike08(a)groups.google.com To whom it may concern @ Bike!Bike! Hello loving bike people, My name is Gary Burden. I have a very small indie shop in my warehouse/house in Denver. I am interested in attending your event, however I need a ride to/from Denver to San Francisco. If you know of anyone participating in your event coming from close to my area (Denver, Boulder) to the event: I can pay for 1/2 of the gas and share in the driving duties as well. I will need space for; me, a small bag and one bike. I give you permission to forward this email and my telephone number, 720 219 0954 to the applicable party(ies). I am excited to participate and volunteer. I am willing to bring two portable repair stands and my tools for the purpose of doing repairs if that would help. Thanks so much, Gary E Burden Denver City Bikes 720 219 0954 --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BikeBike08" group. To post to this group, send email to bikebike08(a)googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bikebike08-unsubscribe(a)googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bikebike08?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---

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BikeBike Workshop Call Out
by Ann Altstatt 18 Sep '08

18 Sep '08

Dear Bikey Ones, This year's Bike!Bike! conference in San Francisco is right around the corner! As one of the folks dealing with workshops and registration, I am sending this long email to let you know how exciting this event is going to be. . . oh yeah, and we still need your help to make it even better! We have an exciting list of workshops on the schedule, but we would still like to offer even more options. *Here is a list of workshop topics which already have been proposed:* - Becoming incorporated/tax stuff (Ed France, Bici Centro, Santa Barbara) - Free Hub Membership Tracker (Alon, Bike Kitchen, San Francisco) - University Bike Co-ops Forum (Ildiko, CCSF, Daniel, UCSC Bike Co-op, Davis Bike Church, etc.) - Productive Paperwork (Casey, Fargo Moorhead Community Bike Project) - Working with the City to get space (Nathan, Austin Yellow Bikes) - Mobile bike shops (Sachi, Austin Yellow Bikes) - Starting a Community Bike Shop (RaRa, Portland Bike Farm) - How do you organize your space? (everyone bring a picture of their shop - "this is what we do with fenders", etc.) - Tour of Box Dog Bikes/For-Profit Co-ops (Dan, Box Dog Bikes) - Volunteer Retention Forum (Ed of SB, etc.) - Starting a Bike Share Program (Lynda from Queens) - Cut the Red Tape: Navigating the "Shared Governance" System in Colleges (Ryan, Cabrillo Bike Coop) - Bike Trailer Building (Aron, East Bay) - Chloroplast pannier building (Sachi, Austin Yellow Bikes) - Lowbagger bike touring (Quentin, Bike Church Santa Cruz) - Planning a Bike Tour: SF to Santa Cruz (Josh, SC Bike Church) - Wheel building (Ellie, Bike Church Santa Cruz, and Daniel, UCSC Bike Co-op) - Frame construction/repair (Josh, Bike Church Santa Cruz) - Youth-based earn-a-bike programs (Community Cycles, Boulder) - Bicycle Touring for Social Change/Fostering Sustainable Communities (Nora Dye and "Within Reach" folks) - Understanding bicycle-focused international development work: Case studies in Nepal and Namibia (Mario, SF Bike Kitchen/Wrench Nepal) - International Bike Projects: Tanzinia (David, Neighborhood Works, Philly) - Adult Education (Ed France, Bici Centro, Santa Barbara) - Youth programming funding (Free Ride, Pittsburg) - Youth forum (John from Sacramento, Jami from Pittsburg, Justin from Chicago, etc.) - Envisioning the Future of Bicycle-based Urbanism (Jonathan, Davis Bike Church) - Up the Punks: counter-cultural roots in the era of "green capitalism" (Kyle, Bicas/Bike Church) - Forming a Community Bike Coalition (Daniel, New Haven Bike Collective) - Non-Violent Communication (Ani, the Kickstand, Gainsville) - How To Set-Up Ladies/Trans Shop time (Alissa, Bike Saviours, Tempe Arizona) - Round Table discussion on gender issues in shops/projects (Chole from Bike Church Philly and Kanako from Bike n' Bike, Olympia) - Forum on project demographics - Who are We Serving (Ami from SF Bike Kitchen, Emilyn from Bike Church Santa Cruz, etc.) - Being a guy ally/supporting women/trans/queer folk (Ian and Quentin from Bike Church Santa Cruz, etc.) *And here is our wish list of topics we'd still like to see covered:* - co-op and collective structures- grant funding how to's and pros/cons - cutting threads/taps and dies - bike fit - welding/choppers - lights/generators - basic bike systems - bearings, wheels, cables, etc. - how to set up classes/classes vs. open shop time - political advocacy - getting bike lanes, working with local gov't, etc - safe routes to schools programs - working with schools, bike shops in schools - panel on racism in projects - working with a language barrier - how to be a white ally - how diverse is our staff/volunteers, how to attract diverse staff/volunteers -your great and novel workshop idea you see missing, there are so many possibilities. . . * We also are very interested in finding folks interested in helping with existing forums/workshops on:* youth in bike shops race and racism shop demographics/who are we serving? volunteer retention how to be a guy ally If you would be interested in facilitating or collaborating on any of these topics, please do let us know! Here's who to contact: Emilyn, Ian and Ann (emilynrose(a)yahoo.com, ian.paleale(a)gmail.com, annaltstatt(a)gmail.com) Thanks and I look forward to seeing everyone soon! Ann Altstatt The Bicycle Church Tool Cooperative Santa Cruz, CA

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Campus bike programmer's 1st Conference
by Tim Potter 17 Sep '08

17 Sep '08

I know this comes close on the heels of the Bike!Bike! conference, but please consider our 1st conference hosted by UC Davis, CA, this Nov. 1 -2: <http://www.bikes.msu.edu/ubikes/> http://www.bikes.msu.edu/ubikes/ You can also just join our listserv if you're unable to attend to connect with other campus bike programmers around N. America; we've got about 75 on our list at this point. Hope the Bike!Bike! conference goes great; wish I could be there. Tim ******************** Tim Potter Coordinator MSU Bikes Service Center B10 Bessey Hall/ Michigan St. University Along the N. River Trail, 300 ft. west of Farm Ln. Bridge E. Lansing, MI 48824-1033 Ph: 517/432-3400 Fax: 517/432-2743 Email: <mailto:bikes@msu.edu> bikes(a)msu.edu Web: <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\tbpotter\Application%20Data\Microsoft \Signatures\www.bikes.msu.edu> www.bikes.msu.edu Home Dept: <file:///C:\Documents%20and%20Settings\tbpotter\Application%20Data\Microsoft \Signatures\www.transportation.pp.msu.edu> www.transportation.pp.msu.edu

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[Updated Invitation] Bike Collective Network Booth at Interbike @ Wed Sep 24 – Fri Sep 26, 2008 (The Think Tank)
by Jonathan Morrison 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Details for the following event have changed: Title: Bike Collective Network Booth at Interbike Time: Wed Sep 24 – Fri Sep 26, 2008 (Timezone: Mountain Time) Where: Sands Expo Center Calendar: The Think Tank Description: Read this: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=prlHsC-DLLuQ_ogqq3iszfg&hl=en You can view this event at http://www.google.com/calendar/event?action=VIEW&eid=ZTFtZm5iaGlvcThyMmVvdW… You are receiving this courtesy email at the account thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org because you are an attendee of this event. To stop receiving future notifications for this event, decline this event. Alternatively you can sign up for a Google account at http://www.google.com/calendar/ and control your notification settings for your entire calendar.

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off mailing list, please
by julie vincent 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

Hi there, Although your discussions are politically interesting, the sheer amount of random people emailing me is clogging up my inbox. Please remove my name from your mailing list. I do not even live in the US and a large majority of the topics you discuss have nothing to do with me or anyone in my region or country... I was just looking for bike info relating to Burningman, that's all. Clearly I don't belong here! Thanks for understanding and good luck with it all. YOu're doing a good thing. Sincerely, Julie Vincent __________________________________________________________________ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com

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8000 miles pedaling for the dignity of the immigrant
by Erik D Stockmeier 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

The following is a post from the blog of Flor Crisostomo, an undocumented worker who has taken sanctuary in a Chicago church for the past several months and has been blogging on her experiences... thought it might be of interest to some of us! The blog is interesting on its own (outside of bikes) and each post is translated into english. http://floresiste.wordpress.com/ Mario Castellon, ¡si se puede! Mario, 8000 miles pedaling for the dignity of the immigrant On Wednesday September 2 at 8 o'clock in the morning we received a visit from a thin, tired, and bearded youth. The only thing that he brings is a bicycle with a few flags, loaded with a small carrier of clothes and spare bike parts. What I noticed in his tired face was a big grin of tranquility, peace and a tremendous humility, which these days almost nobody carries. His name is Mario Castellón, and he has traveled more than 8,000 miles by bicycle since May 31, 2008. His starting point was his home country, El Salvador. His purpose is to help the pro-immigrant fight, bringing the message to the world and the communities through which he passes. Mario wants to bring attention to the importance and significance of more than 12 million undocumented immigrants in the long-awaited IMMIGRATION REFORM. After welcoming him with a cup of Mayan coffee and Mexican bread, talking for a couple of hours, I started to get to know him a little more. He is a very nice person, with immense faith that leads him to believe the situation will change. He told me of such strong experiences that he has gone through, starting in Guatemala when some police wanted to rob him thinking he brought dollars. After, in Mexico he saw the treatment of the undocumented Central Americans. At the arrival of the United States border he saw companions trying to cross to this country in half-dead conditions. Already, in this place he saw the good and bad of those that understand his message and also that of the xenophobes that still think we live in the time of Hitler or of the KKK. He has slept underneath bridges and in parks, but he says, "everything is worth it, to bring this message to the government of our countries of the support and commitment that we need of the North American government." We know that it is election time and the press does not cover this type of news. He and I know what we face and what the yellow press wants. He and I understand that the work that we do is so that our message reaches where it has to go, and little by little we are getting there. We both know that the young and the new North America is desperate with a spirit very full of Faith and Dignity. To him, like me, we have united in the same cause and we are representing it in the form we think is correct. For so many reasons he deserves more than my respect. We hope that he will bring a little attention, that they will give him a hand with the rest of his journey; Tennesse, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, Utah, Nevada, California, Arizona, New Mexico, San Antonio to the finish where he lives in Dallas, Texas. Thank you Maria, may God bless and protect you. You, like I, together with the 12 million of us that we know ¡¡¡SI SE PUEDEEE!!! *FLOResiste is writen by Flor Crisóstomo. Blog translation is done by Dalia Rubiano Yeddia, Eva Nagao, Willy Barreno, Jesus Carlin and Jhonathan F. Gómez. Design and updates by Willy Barreno, Jesus Carlin and Jhonathan F. Gómez. Edited by **Jhonathan F. Gómez.*

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Theft and Selling Locks
by Sandra Medd 16 Sep '08

16 Sep '08

hi I am also looking for low cost or donation bike locks. The youth in my area (west end/central) need locks. We are willing to purchase, but because we need so many, they would have to be cheap. any ideas?Sam @ spence neighbourhood youth outreach> Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 09:54:18 -0500> From: graham.stewart(a)winply.ca> To: Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Theft and Selling Locks> > 1. Are there any shops out there who buy locks in bulk and re-sell > them? The rationale for doing this would be that providing a > good-quality low-cost lock to people visiting the shop would reduce the > likelihood of having their bike stolen. I see the rampant bike-theft > here as one of the common reasons people stop cycling or don't want to > invest time or money in their bike.> > My questions are, where do you get locks from, and how is the program > run? Are their any other initiatives you take to reduce the problem of > bike-theft?> > Graham @> The Bike-Dump in Winnipeg> > _______________________________________________> Thethinktank mailing list> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… _________________________________________________________________

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Running your bike collective website on Joomla!
by Rich Points 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Bike Collectives, Just wanted to shoot this note out before Bike Bike that I'll be presenting a workshop called "Getting the most out of your website with Joomla and a custom bike collective database". The system I'm working on, along with Jonathan from Salt Lake, can be easily shared between sites. The only requirement is that you be using the current version of Joomla!. I'm writing to encourage you to move your sites to Joomla! as it is a powerful tool even without the Bike Collective Database. Find out more about Joomla! http://joomla.org If you won't be able to attend Bike Bike but are interested in the Bike Collective Database let me know and I'll send you my notes. Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Theft and Selling Locks
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Matt. I would not worry too much about the potential that you will turn your EAB kids into bike theives if you explain good and bad locking jobs to them. If they are at your bike shop, watching older people provide loving mentorship and lots of free labour and enthusiasm to encourage something they love, they are getting quite the innoculation against growing up to become theives. They see people working hard to fix and care for their bikes, and they meet a lot of the bike-dependant people in their community, and they know that people can recognize each other's bikes. They know and understand the value of a bike, a value that is deeper and stranger and more about love and freedom than it is just about the monetary value of that bike. I know a good locking job from a bad one, and so do the people on this list. I've never stolen a bike, and that probably hold true for (almost?) everyone on this list. We don't steal not because we don't know how, but because we are people of (reasonably?) good character. The kids who come into places like their community bike shop are putting themselves into situations where they hang out with good adults (or ordinary adults behaving well). This, rather than any technical ignorance, is why they likely will not steal bikes. They are, or are becoming, good people. Your walking tours sound great. What a good idea. They work so hard for their bikes, it sucks when those bikes get stolen. Sasha On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:04:38 -0400 veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com wrote: >not to hijack the sourcing locks question, but does anyone include >in their >curriculum/EAB/youth classes some kind of locking information? i >know >there's the video of the guy in NYC grading lock jobs on the >street, and in >one of our classes here (community cycles in boulder, co), we >start the >class with a walk around the neighborhood, to point out some of >the lock >jobs that are less than stellar. > >it's a weird balance, because in order to teach someone good lock >technique, >it's easiest to show them examples of how not to do it, which is >basically >teaching them to think like a bike thief...how to do this without >actually >encouraging them to become bike thieves? it's not a major concern, >but one >that came up while we discussed the issue. does anyone else have >experience >with this? > > > >On Mon, Sep 15, 2008 at 8:57 AM, Matt <mattface(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> We sell inexpensive U-locks. THey are not top quality, but they >are more >> than adequate for the type of theft we have here, and they are >relatively >> affordable. >> >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2008, at 10:54 AM, Graham wrote: >> >> 1. Are there any shops out there who buy locks in bulk and re- >sell them? >>> The rationale for doing this would be that providing a good- >quality >>> low-cost lock to people visiting the shop would reduce the >likelihood of >>> having their bike stolen. I see the rampant bike-theft here as >one of the >>> common reasons people stop cycling or don't want to invest time >or money in >>> their bike. >>> >>> My questions are, where do you get locks from, and how is the >program run? >>> Are their any other initiatives you take to reduce the problem >of >>> bike-theft? >>> >>> Graham @ >>> The Bike-Dump in Winnipeg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjOsSQACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlMNgCgia0xaX0+0yqxTL+sCBreQhJrMpMA njAx5BMIMmRovIBPSqFmtgexViLJ =Ge8L -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] rickshaw cart?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Everyone. I'm still in that weird time-warped world of new parenthood, so I have not mananged to post our pictures and specs for the mobile bike shop we made earlier this spring and summer. We did not use a rickshaw cart. We made a bike trailer, and we used rubbermaid tubs containing smaller tubs, all nicely labelled with the contents-- contents labelled in English, French, and Cree. We strap the tubs to the trailer. I'm told that it is working pretty well. Now that it is up on reserve, I haven't seen it in months. But I'm told it is working. One tub is getting pretty dirty, but we designed it so that the really messy stuff would mostly mess up only one tub. We have a laminated checklist on the inside lid of each tub, and a master list, also laminated, to help with restocking the shop. (Yes, folks, we needed to leave some space for PAPERWORK even in our mobile shop--volunteer hour binder, manuals, etc.) (Ideally, we would have a different way of coping with the bike stand; it is OK, but it could be better. We'll keep thinking about that.) If the tubs needed to be moved to another type of vehicle-- car, truck, train, bus, snowmobile, boat, etc.-- that would work, too. Doing it in tubs does localize and simplify cleaning tasks. It is also easier to store the mobile shop at someone's house or at a shop, etc., as you can reconfigure how all the tubs are stacked depending on what space you have available, and if the trailer is relatively flat. It is going to be hard for you to store a rickshaw-shop, but it will look so pretty-- please send pictures. The trailer cost under $100 to make. The tubs, some of them we had in our houses, some we bought. It was a reasonably economical way of doing everything. Filling it with tools and supplies was the expensive part-- we put ads requesting unused tools or small donations to buy tools in lots of places-- free weeklies, neighbourhood papers, and lots of church newsletters and school newsletters, posted our needs on boards at local co-ops and grocery stores, at Mountain Equipment Co- op and other sporting goods stores-- they were helpful. People were generous to us; we were lucky. If we had not had so much loving help from so many people, it would have cost us much more. We made a book to go inside the mobile shop listing who gave us what, so that we could remember their contribution. I added writing thank you notes to them to the list of baby- related thank you notes I am still writing, three months (! Outrageous! I'm suprised people are still talking to me!)) later. I had more help with the bike thank-yous, so they are done already. We did send pictures of the bike shop to everyone who had helped us, so that they could use it for their own promotional purposes, or just to make them happy. My best wishes to you. Good luck. I am excited by all these mobile shops that people are making! We put a great first aid kit-- kindly donated by the good people at St. John's Ambulance-- in ours so it could also be used at races, should anyone up there decide to have races. Apparently that is going over well. My best to all of you Sasha On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 12:04:57 -0400 Erik Ryberg <ryberg(a)seanet.com> wrote: >Maryland is a long way away from Mexico, but I have bought two >Mexican >cargo trikes in Nogales, Mexico (right over the border from me) >for >$220.00 each (yes that is two hundred and twenty dollars) and >ridden >them off the shop floor and back into the U.S.. Here's the link: > >http://www.bicicletasmercurio.com.mx/carga.htm > >They aren't super high quality but they are definitely good >enough! > >Erik > >Matt wrote: >> I have Haley Trike which I think is quite well suited to the >task of >> carrying tools for a mobile bike shop. They are built to order, >and you >> can order them with many custom box options, and the optional >umbrella >> holder can actually hold a post for a bike stand provided it's >the right >> diameter. if you have a bike stand you would like to use, give >Stephen >> the post diameter, and I'm sure he could add a mount for it for >a >> reasonable price. http://www.haleytrikes.com/options.html >> >> Matt >> >> >> On Sep 15, 2008, at 11:00 AM, adam schwartz wrote: >> >>> Here at the Renaissance Community Youth Bike Shop in the DC/MD >area, >>> we are looking to develop a mobile bike repair stand for >events, >>> farmers markets, festivals, etc.. Does anyone know where we >can >>> acquire a pedal rickshaw cart like found in most "developing" >parts of >>> the world. >>> >>> -- >>> Adam Schwartz >>> Program Coordinator, The Renaissance Youth Bike Shop >>> Center For Educational Partnership >>> 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD >>> adamgs(a)umd.edu <mailto:adamgs@umd.edu> >>> (301) 405-3213 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> >> >> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org > > >-- >Erik B. Ryberg >Attorney at Law >445 West Simpson Street >Tucson, AZ 85701 >phone: (520) 622-3333 >fax: (520) 792-6677 >_______________________________________________ >Thethinktank mailing list >Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjOrUQACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlDWgCgjjcAAvwM8hRhQtYhj8gCUb/rH34A n3Bt0ncDfBWZYos2JmB9yz7fQ0AL =Xf2X -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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