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Re: [TheThinkTank] Addressing incidents from last year's BikeBike!
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Dave. It takes courage to do the sort of introspection you've clearly done, and courage to apologize the way you just have. I was not there when you stepped over the line, and I didn't even know you had until I read this post, but I was pleased that you wrote it and impressed that you had done so, also. Thank you. Everyone has someone they wish had written to them the way you have just written to this community; it is nice to read such an apology, just to know that people do face themselves and take responsibility sometimes. Many of us probably have someone we should go back and write to. The positive way I felt about you reading this made me want to call an old friend whose feelings I know I hurt. So, your letter was encouraging in two ways. Thanks for writing it. Sasha On Thu, 25 Sep 2008 12:53:51 -0400 Dave Caz <pwloffice(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >Hey all, > >My name is Dave, and I was asked to address a situation I created >at last year's bikebike before attending the current conference, >and after consideration, I wholeheartedly agree with the request >and apologize it was not done sooner. > >Last year, at the bikebike party, I drank quite heavily and >crossed major boundaries of people I never met. I created a very >uncomfortable situation for people just trying to have a good >time. I was responsible for making people feel threatened for >their safety and space they deserved. I apologize for turning a >people's night to celebrate into a bad memory for some. > >I can not say for sure what happened exactly, because I was too >intoxicated to recall a large portion of that night, but the >second hand accounts of my actions blew my mind. I have never >acted in such a horrific way, nor have EVER considered to do the >audacious things I did to people that eve. > >But I am responsible for my actions, drunk or not, and in no way >excuse what I did. I owed it to the people who worked so hard to >make bikebike! a success that year, to the visitors, conference >members and all in attendance, to manage myself in a respectful >manner, and I blew it. I am sorry. > >This year I promise to show the utmost control over my person as >to never ever ever ever make people feel the way I did. I >frequently dwell on the facts of what happened, and it is a burden >I will have to live with, but live with AND change from it to >never allow it to happen again. I will not be drinking >before/during/after anything going on in the next potential >FOREVER, and will also not be attending the celebration going on >this year or next. > >All I ask is that you take me for who I am, and not the monster I >was. I am truly sorry and understand that if I now have a bad >reputation with you, I earned every bit of it, but I am trying to >redeem myself. > >Sending this to 2 giant list-servs is not easy for me, but it is >something I am doing to come clean to everyone. Hoping that >people not expect a repeat from me, and encouraging others to >police their actions and not lose control as I did. Remember a >lot of people got their shit together and busted their collective >asses to make this awesome thing happen. > >If you wish to talk to me about this, please come find me and >we'll chat. >I'm trying to learn from this as best as possible. > > >Thanks to everyone for not blacklisting me and giving me a second >chance. >Again, I am truly sorry, and hope you can get past my past, as I >am trying to do the same. > >peace, >Milwaukee Dave. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Thethinktank mailing list >Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >To unsubscribe, send a blank email to leave- >TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org >To manage your subscription, plase visit: >http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjrymYACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRkicACeMD6fIe1J8ZLaxbHPwuB6yxCz6PYA mgPsrZG+7Z+mFhTOYDQZUQ7RGBwu =sVPk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question
by Bob Giordano 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

11-3 for free cycles missoula. works well, though we ususally stay open til 5pm informally. -Bob g. Jonathan Morrison wrote: > In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on > Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? -- Bob Giordano Free Cycles Missoula Shop: 732 S. 1st St. West, 541.7284 3PM-7PM Mon-Thurs & 11AM-3PM Sat Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation www.strans.org, mist(a)strans.org, 406-880-6834

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Election do's and don'ts for non-profits
by Urban Bike Project Wilmington, DE 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

For all those with 501(c)3 status, this election guide<http://www.bikeleague.org/programs/bikeadvocacy/election.php#nonprofits>from the League of American Bicyclists was just posted on Thunderhead listserv and I thought I'd share it with you all as well. Brian Windle P.S. For newer members of the list: check out the Bike Collective Wiki<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page>first before posting to the list, lot's of good information is just waiting for you there! Bike Collective Starter Kit<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Bike_Collective_Starter…> Shop Locations<http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Shop_Locations>(Finding space for your shop) -- Urban Bike Project of Wilmington -a 501(c)3 non-profit bike shop- 1908 N. Market Street (entrance is in the parking lot behind the building) Wilmington, DE 19801 Hours: Thursday 6:30-9:00 Saturday 1:00-4:00 Visit us online at http://urbanbikeproject.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question
by troy neiman 07 Oct '08

07 Oct '08

At bicas we are open from 12-6pm every sat. and have a build a bike class that is usually from 1-4pm that runs simultaneously to our open shop. This requires 4 staff for the shop and 2 teachers for the class. Saturday is with out a doubt our busiest day for shop use, community service, and work traders. Its almost always overwhelming for us but works really well for the general public. Troy @ BICAS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Morrison" <jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Saturday Hours Question > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 13:51:47 -0600 > > > In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on > Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? > > -- > Sincerely, > > Jonathan Morrison > Executive Director > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > 2312 S. West Temple > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > w: 801-328-2453 > c: 801-688-0183 > f: 801-466-3856 > www.slcbikecollective.org > > Get Addicted to Crank! > http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ > > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling > as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone > of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides > refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on > children and lower income households. > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to leave-TheThinkTank(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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A catchy name for "women's night"?
by Alex Rosenblatt 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Hey all, Alex here from Recycle Ithaca's Bicycles in Ithaca, NY. We're currently reorganizing and overhauling shop logistics and we're looking for a catchy name for our "women's night." We want to stray away from that name because the night is not exclusively women but instead a place where women and transpeople are the active shop leaders. Any names catchy or appropriate names that you use or come to mind? Thanks, Alex

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Bike Storage Racks and Other Solutions
by Sam Santos 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

I'm a member and volunteer at The Bike Project of Urbana-Champaign. Due to a recent donation of abandoned bikes from the local university, we are dealing with some space problems. Space has always been an issue, but this new donation makes it plainly obvious that we need to build something that will allow us to store bikes a bit better than our current non-solution of leaning them against each other. I'm certain other co-ops and collectives have run into this issue, and I would love to hear how you solved it. If you built some cool storage rack, shelf, hanging thing or whatever, I would be incredibly interested to hear about that. I would be even happier if you could describe how you built it or had pictures of the finished structure. No point in re-inventing the wheel here. If there is a great solution that can be built cheaply, I'm all for it. Thanks... and have fun at BikeBike. Wish I could be there as it sounds like an awesome time. --sam

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designer bike helmets
by adam schwartz 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

One of our ongoing challenges at the Renaissance Youth Bike Shop is getting kids to wear helmets. All participants in our programs are required to wear helmets, but influencing the youth culture is difficult, where helmets are considered even by most adults in our community, non-essential and un-cool. Our idea is to work with a local graffiti artist to create our own line of designer helmets. We would sell these helmets as a fundraiser, both in our shop and at our local bike shop. Has anyone any experience with customizing helmets or bikes? I am thinking the BMX style helmets would work best as a surface area to paint. Pictures to come. Also, see a pic of our recent mural installed at the shop, painted by students and their art teacher at nearby middle school. -- Adam Schwartz Program Coordinator, The Renaissance Youth Bike Shop Center For Educational Partnership 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD adamgs(a)umd.edu (301) 405-3213

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Saturday Hours Question
by Jonathan Morrison 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

In Salt Lake City we are looking into opening another open shop night on Saturday. For those of you that have Saturday hours, what are they? -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.

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bulk universal derailleur cables
by rachael spiewak 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Does anyone have a preferred brand or source for a filebox of universal (double ended) derailleur cables. We're *this close* to having a distributor account, which will probably solve the problem, but in the meantime, our people, they need to shift gears. One source we use sends them individually bagged, which is dumb (we reuse the bags, of course, but we don't need that many). JensonUSA and BikepartsUSA are lacking in photos and descriptions, and when I call them, they give me different information from the people at Pyramid and Jagwire. I'm starting to think that the world is consipring against DIY bike repair, also made evident by the complete elusiveness of Park Tool FR-2 in this town. One retailer asked why in the world we might need that tool...it's for OLD bikes. Well you see, sir... Anyway, any info on a filebox of 2-ended shifter cables would be marvelous. -rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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drugs, alcohol and our mission
by John Boyer 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

Now I realize this is not going to win alot of people over but here goes anyways! I am strongly opposed to a slack, go with the flow, biochemical personality run environment for our cause. Let me explain, My collective exploded recently due directly and indirectly to a paranoid environment that split the group into 2 groups and cost us alot of time finance and momentum. "the new reality crew"" banded together with a constant flow of weed use and subsequent paranoia. The following attacks on those that didnt party literally spun off alot of good people. The few that questioned the devisiveness of this""know best" group were then railroaded out by smear campaigns induced by the amount of weed smoked on a daily basis. I truly feel we will never overcome the barriers ahead of us if we create a place where drug use is the common denominator in the collective movement. This call out is not an anti drug message. Im the first to open a bottle of wine after a long day of riding and wrenching. Its just a call out that we can do better when we are all rooted in the reality that we have a lot of work ahead of us. Here in the States the car rules right now and we will have to do a better job united and communicating effectively to change our reality to a bike friendly world. Be steadfast in creating an environment friendly to all walks of life and ability and we all win. Thanks for your time reading this.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 26, Issue 8
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 06 Oct '08

06 Oct '08

I think this is an issue of not having a clear vision and agreed upon boundaries on the get go. I brought this up at the Consensus workshop at BikeBike and no one heard me. If the collective is the goal then members should be meticulous and thorough creating clear consensus to establish a vision that eliminates these issues prior to schisms and splits. It takes time given the structure of decision making. There is no short cuts. In an entity that is a decentralized collective the process takes as long as it takes for all to be heard, understand and all to make a choice. No one said it was easy. I wish you well and applaud your sharing a real issue. On Mon, Oct 6, 2008 at 1:10 AM, <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org>wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. drugs, alcohol and our mission (John Boyer) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2008 00:10:02 -0700 (PDT) > From: John Boyer <worldbfree2b(a)yahoo.com> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] drugs, alcohol and our mission > To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <221816.14863.qm(a)web52811.mail.re2.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Now I realize this is not going to win alot of people over but here goes > anyways!?I am strongly opposed to a slack, go with the flow, biochemical > personality run?environment for our cause.? Let me explain,? My collective > exploded recently?due directly and indirectly?to a paranoid environment that > split the group into 2 groups and cost us alot of time finance and > momentum.? "the new reality crew"" banded together with a constant flow of > weed use and subsequent paranoia.? The following attacks on those that didnt > party literally spun off alot of good people. The few that questioned the > devisiveness of this""know best" group were then railroaded out by smear > campaigns induced by the amount of weed smoked on a?daily basis.??I truly > feel we will never? overcome the?barriers ahead of us if we create a place > where drug use is?the common denominator in the collective movement. > > ? This call out is not an anti drug message. Im the first to?open a bottle > of wine after a long day of riding and wrenching.? Its just?a call out that > we can do better when we are all rooted in the reality that we have a lot of > work ahead of us.??Here in the?States the car rules right now?and we will > have to do a better job united and communicating effectively?to change > our?reality to a bike friendly world. > > Be?steadfast in creating an environment friendly to all walks of life and > ability?and we all win. > > Thanks for your time reading this.?????? >

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bike bike
by tom emm 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of pizza in the city by the bay?

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Unsubscibe
by wind＠riseup.net 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

Please unsubscribe me from the list. thanx Justin

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Cranksgiving
by Patrick VDT 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

We have found Cranksgiving to be a great project. Cranksgiving equals Teaching the kids about giving back to the community. Volunteers get a chance to relax and have fun Chance to show the shop off to people who otherwise would not stop by. Lots of media PR Another Interaction with other Non-profits So we have multiple routes for different abilities and separate out the race portion to a completely different day, this allows everyone to come hang out, not just the urban hipsters. http://www.flickr.com/photos/77602109@N00/sets/72157603248547348/ This year we are going to have 300 riders = about 4800 food items P Http://www.stlbikeworks.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2008 17:58:17 -0700 From: bikedadlien(a)yahoo.com To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Hello Patrick: Welcome aboard. Checked out your website and it looks great!!! I like the idea of Cranksgiving. Way cool. Bruce -- Hello from Stl, just signed up for the list and looking forward to meeting everyone Http://www.stlbikeworks.com Patrick Van Der Tuin See how Windows Mobile brings your life together—at home, work, or on the go. See Now _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… _________________________________________________________________ Want to do more with Windows Live? Learn “10 hidden secrets” from Jamie. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5…

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Last call for bikebike Tshirts
by troy neiman 04 Oct '08

04 Oct '08

We are going to do a small run of bikebike t-shirts for anyone that is interested. They will be 2 color prints on new, 100% cotton, USA union made shirts and mailed to you at a cost of $18. Available in black, red, or grey. If you are interested please e-mail Dwight directly at orders(a)peacesupplies.org no later that Oct. 10th with the size and color that you would like. Printed by Peace Supplies in Tucson, AZ lots of other great bike swag available at peacesupplies.org love peace and bicycle grease troy@bicas -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Starting a coop bike shop
by Tony DiLorenzo 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

I'm considering starting a coop shop here in San Diego. Is there a document out there that gives steps on how to get one setup? Thanks -- Tony DiLorenzo Executive Director Forward Motion Foundation 858-345-2327 www.forwardmotionfoundation.org

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meeting protocal and questions about programming
by maintenence collective 03 Oct '08

03 Oct '08

Hey from Bike Farm in PDX, We recently had our first meeting back from Bike!bike! and it was incredibly successful. At meetings we usually allow beer-drinking, and its not a huge deal, though has been in the past. This last meeting I noticed someone passing around a pipe. Though that doesn't bother me as an individual, it was slightly distracting and could be a little off-putting to new volunteers (we had 4 newbies at the meeting). What do other shops have as policies surrounding illegal substances..... what about legal substances? Also, we're doing some winter programming and came up with a "winter weatherization class". Does anyone have a ciriculum for this sort of thing.. (ie. best types of tires in the rain, fenders, lights, how to be safe in crappy weather etc). Any other one-to two day classes would be helpful.... and does anyone know of a particular company who might donate, like 30 fenders to us? thanks for all your help!, RaRa

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 26, Issue 3
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 02 Oct '08

02 Oct '08

BikeBike, Was fabulous and real! I am teeming with ideas and energy from being there. I applaud the organizers who worked their asses off to make it great on a very human level; people who are doers and clear thinkers! Bravo to you all! The world improves one bike at a time! Cheers, Gary On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 4:49 PM, <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org>wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. bike bike (tom emm) > 2. Re: bike bike (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) > 3. Re: bike bike - Advocacy (Rich Points) > 4. Re: meeting protocal and questions about programming > (Macho Philipovich) > 5. Re: bike bike (Forrest Cutrer) > 6. Re: bike bike (Bruce Lien) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 16:30:41 -0400 > From: "tom emm" <tom48236(a)gmail.com> > Subject: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <ff627a300810021330l3fe419f7sfcba97eae7d783a(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > pizza in the city by the bay? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2008 14:36:55 -0600 > From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike bike > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <53e5a1720810021336j324ed48dt15f48fffc3e382c3(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > i dunno about the rest of you, but i'm still waiting for my voice to get > back from san francisco... > > in the best way possible, of course. > > josh. > > > On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 2:30 PM, tom emm <tom48236(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > Nary a word on the recent bike convention held in san francisco. > > Somebody please say something, Like can you get a decent slice of > > pizza in the city by the bay? > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > >

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Starting your own?
by Mark Rehder 01 Oct '08

01 Oct '08

I was asked off-list for advice in getting a bike collective started and keeping it going, and after sending I thought it might be helpful to post it to the list. Mark +++++++++++ Getting one started can be tough. Our shop had some problems getting going, and a similar shop opened this year in another part of town and we've been helping them keep their spirits up while they struggle. The big challenges are: - finding an affordable space (you'll need lots of room for all the bikes and parts) - ability to pay rent while getting things ramped up and income happening - getting insurance For our shop, we started out in donated spaces, but those got taken away as the landlords found paying tenants. After losing our second such space we realized we needed to pay rent and stay in the same location, otherwise it's hard to attract volunteers and customers when they can't trust that you'll stay open. But then the money thing comes in. And landlords don't always like to rent to one person for some vague bicycle collective. We lucked out by approaching a public interest research group (PIRG) on one of the campuses here and became one of their working groups. So they signed the lease for us, and after much wrangling let us have our own bank account. Affiliating with them turned us into a legal entity, so we could get both that bank account as well as insurance. But we still needed some funding to tide us over. We filed a grant application with a local funding org. and were able to get a two-year operating grant, with the provision that we be self-sustaining at the end of the two years. Once again being part of the PIRG made this happen, as there was no way the funder would just give our little collective money without someone taking legal responsibility. So the PIRG got the money and disbursed it to us at regular intervals. In the end it worked out great for us. The PIRG more or less left us alone, especially once they saw how hard we worked, and that we had achieved the self-sustainability within the first year (that made the 2nd year's grant money just extra cash in the band for us). We're still affiliated with them, and have not had to ask anyone for money since that first grant (grant applications, and then the follow- up reports, are a big pain in the butt). We've built up (and maintain) a year's operating expense in the bank in case anything goes wrong, and in terms of our various numbers we've grown each year. One thing we had to do with the grant was track some numbers, since they'd want to see some "results". So we kept track of the number of bikes sold and recycled (scrapped), number of people served, volunteer hours, that sort of thing. And we kept that up after the grant was done, and this has been very useful in helping us identify how the shop gets used. Each year a report is produced and we see how the numbers may have changed, specially if we'd implemented a policy or changed an old one. For instance in 2004 we had approx. 630 people use our shop, and we processed about 150 bikes. In 2005 we moved to a larger room in the same building and those numbers jumped to 1000 and 200 respectively, and by 2007 it was 1500 and 400! If nothing else it showed us that we were on the right track with our operations. About our shop: - We have only one paid person (me) and at that I only get a monthly honourarium (and I worked as Director for four years on a volunteer basis before requesting it). - We sell two different levels of bikes. Fully overhauled, from around $100 to $200, and As Is, meaning safety checked and all systems working but not rebuilt, for $40 and up. Bare frames for projects go from free on up. - Most parts aside from wheels are $1 to $10, but of course the really nice goodies (and we don't get a lot of those) are kept in a locked display case and priced accordingly. My personal opinion is that you should somehow find some funding to get you started, but avoid it after that if at all possible. This way you don't have to answer to anyone beyond your landlord. If you wish to run programs that cannot be self-sustaining just keep in mind that time and energy will have to be spent finding the ongoing funding and maintaining it, and you'll be at the whims of the funding orgs. If you start making a profit (your income exceeds your expenses) then perhaps that would be a good time to look into such projects.

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie
by troy neiman 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but worth tracking it down. Troy @ BICAS > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 > > > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. > Steve Davis > Seven Hills School > 700 Hoover Lane > Nevada City, CA 95959 > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 > > > > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: > > > 1. E.T. all throughout. > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, > > she's like 13 years old > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was promiscuous > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the > > bike bloomers! > > 6. I second 2 seconds. > > > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, > > wish I was there!! > > > > XX > > Kimchi > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! > > > > > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt <annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Thethinktank mailing list > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- Kim Jensen > > > > Studio > > la (213) 482 76 62 > > www.fleurstudio.com > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Be Yourself @ mail.com! Choose From 200+ Email Addresses Get a Free Account at www.mail.com

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Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie (cedric@holycitybikecoop.org)
by Holy City Bike Co-op 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Speaking of movies on bikes, I'm thinking more and more about bicycles as a way to provide a broader message. As a mode of transportation that respects its environment (both physical and human), they are ideal catalysts for social change. And that is probably why bike co-ops make sense. Anyhow, it's been wonderfully informative to follow the list. I look forward in further participation as we grow. We also anticipate the Bike Bike Southeast! to be wonderful. Maybe we could volunteer to teach a mechanic's class, or something like that (brakes, chain, tires)? Bikes! Cedric cedric(a)holycitybikecoop.org --- On Tue, 9/30/08, thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> wrote: From: thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org <thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org> Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 25, Issue 26 To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Date: Tuesday, September 30, 2008, 4:01 PM Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: favorite bike movie (veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com) 2. Re: favorite bike movie (rachael spiewak) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 12:36:16 -0600 From: veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Message-ID: <53e5a1720809301136ob88fdah74942bb5e7cbdb48(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" is anyone else interested in trading--ahem--sharing movies with the group? most of the ones i've got are more mainstream--breaking away, american flyers, triplets, etc--but i'd be into expanding our library for movie nights and such. strictly for "educational" purposes, of course. i guess email me off the list if you're interested. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:30 PM, Boson Au <boson.au(a)gmail.com> wrote: > oh man a bike ride => bike movie night sounds awesome... I wanna run this > by some peeps here and make it happen. > > > On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:21 PM, <veganboyjosh(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> speaking of so bad they're good horror movies with bikes, "blood trails"<http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0805185/>is pretty awful. the description totally oversells it, but it's got a great >> scene with the villian killing someone by table topping his sprocket into >> someone's neck. you know, cos everyone rides a bike with razor sharp >> chainwheels. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 12:14 PM, troy neiman <troyneiman(a)myself.com>wrote: >> >>> We do a community bike ride and a bike-in movie every month at BICAS in >>> Tucson. We are always looking for fun movies with bike scenes and themes. >>> >>> You can check out this site for bike movies and other sites for reviews >>> http://www.massbike.org/info/movies.htm >>> >>> more obscure and I am guessing not on this list is a film called BLOOD >>> CAR. It came out about a year or two ago and is an excellent Horror film >>> spoof with some of the best bike scenes ever including a kindergarten >>> teacher splattered in blood and bicycling with hatchet in hand chasing a car >>> full of government spies. You probably will not find it at blockbuster but >>> worth tracking it down. >>> >>> Troy @ BICAS >>> > ----- Original Message ----- >>> > From: Davis_S <steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us> >>> > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> >>> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] favorite bike movie >>> > Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:36:44 -0700 >>> > >>> > >>> > I am surprised no one has mentioned the movie Breaking Away-great >>> > movie about adolescence and the power of bikes. >>> > Steve Davis >>> > Seven Hills School >>> > 700 Hoover Lane >>> > Nevada City, CA 95959 >>> > steve.davis(a)ncsd.k12.ca.us >>> > 530-265-1840 ext. 8143 >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On Sep 30, 2008, at 8:59 AM, Kim Jensen wrote: >>> > >>> > > 1. E.T. all throughout. >>> > > 2. Intro scene to Donny Darko >>> > > 3. Bike parts in Goonies. >>> > > 4. BMX bandits - if you're like what is that... you must see right >>> > > away- Nicole Kidman is rocking BMX and flatlander stunts and more, >>> > > she's like 13 years old >>> > > 5. Some dutch film, forgot the name- but the main girl was >>> promiscuous >>> > > and had a lil gold windmill attached to her handlebars.... and the >>> > > bike bloomers! >>> > > 6. I second 2 seconds. >>> > > >>> > > This was a fun break from the norm, great to see people excited in >>> > > response. To all you riding from Bike Bike to S.C. ride on, be safe, >>> > > wish I was there!! >>> > > >>> > > XX >>> > > Kimchi >>> > > Bicycle Kitchen - LA baby! >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > On Mon, Sep 29, 2008 at 2:40 PM, Ann Altstatt < >>> annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> > >> hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie? >>> > >> >>> > >> _______________________________________________ >>> > >> Thethinktank mailing list >>> > >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > -- Kim Jensen >>> > > >>> > > Studio >>> > > la (213) 482 76 62 >>> > > www.fleurstudio.com >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > Thethinktank mailing list >>> > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >>> > >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Be Yourself @ mail.com! >>> Choose From 200+ Email Addresses >>> Get a Free Account at www.mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >

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Thanks
by burdenistic＠gmail.com 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Kitchen and Bike Church and all involved, Thank you for all of your hard work. I am inspired by your efforts and feel very fortunate to have been able to participate in Bike!Bike! I met a ton of great people with clear minds energetically involved in creating a better world through cycling and service. As a new person to decentralized cycling collectives and community cycling initiatives I have come away filled with ideas and energy. I laud all of your hard work and long hours creating a very successful conference and I hope to return next year with experiences to share with all of my own success from following the example you all have set! Thank-you, Gary Burden Participant

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Thank You Bike Kitchen and Church
by Rich Points 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

Bike Bike Hosts, I just wanted to thank everyone who helped make bike bike happen this year. Your efforts are appreciated. It's invaluable to be able to meet and talk shop with other coops/collectives/non-profits. Looking forward to next year in Minneapolis! Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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favorite bike movie
by Ann Altstatt 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

hey everybody, what's your favorite bicycle related movie?

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speaking of bikebike southeast!
by rachael spiewak 30 Sep '08

30 Sep '08

GET EXCITED! *Go here for more info:* southeast.bikebike.org You can *sign up for the mailing list* there. Of course, EVERYONE is invited to participate. By design, we want to meet the needs of folks developing shops in the South, but don't let that stop you from being a part of the fun! * Just added to the workshop possibilities list: * - How to work with the media, facilitated by Jamie Gumbrecht, Atlanta-Journal Constitution Reporter and friend of Sopo - Assertiveness for community bike shop folks: How to advocate for your safe space, approach foundations, and otherwise say what you gotta say - Grantseeking at the Foundation Center (a free library of foundation/grant information...gonna see if they'll do something special for us). - Community bike shops in marginalized communities (hopefully one of our teens will give a talk about developing a shop in his refugee community). *What you can do to help: * - Find more people who need to get involved. Any rumblings about new shops around your neck of the woods? Sign those people up to come! Let's really reach out to anyone who wants to get in on the community bike shop game. - Holler at us off of this mailing list so we don't clutter it up. Let us know if you're game! - Make swag. We can email you the graphic if you'd like to screen some shirts or patches. - Suggest workshop topics and/or volunteer to facilitate!!! If you know lots, great! If you know not lots and you want to change that, even better! - If you are traveling by car or if you have hauling capabilities, consider bringing a loaner bike or two with you. We can't keep loaners in stock around here. - Likewise, if you would like to solicit food donations and you can haul it over here, that would be great. We're going to work with our local FnB chapter, but the food donation climate around here is a bit hostile and we don't want to take away from the good work they're struggling to do. - Throw yourself a fundraiser party to come up with whatever travel money you might need. Your pals, Sopo -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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