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rickshaw cart?
by adam schwartz 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

Here at the Renaissance Community Youth Bike Shop in the DC/MD area, we are looking to develop a mobile bike repair stand for events, farmers markets, festivals, etc.. Does anyone know where we can acquire a pedal rickshaw cart like found in most "developing" parts of the world. -- Adam Schwartz Program Coordinator, The Renaissance Youth Bike Shop Center For Educational Partnership 6200 Sheridan Street, Riverdale, MD adamgs(a)umd.edu (301) 405-3213

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Bike Theft and Selling Locks
by Graham 15 Sep '08

15 Sep '08

1. Are there any shops out there who buy locks in bulk and re-sell them? The rationale for doing this would be that providing a good-quality low-cost lock to people visiting the shop would reduce the likelihood of having their bike stolen. I see the rampant bike-theft here as one of the common reasons people stop cycling or don't want to invest time or money in their bike. My questions are, where do you get locks from, and how is the program run? Are their any other initiatives you take to reduce the problem of bike-theft? Graham @ The Bike-Dump in Winnipeg

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Bike coop
by Noah McColl 14 Sep '08

14 Sep '08

Hey Cris, Jessica Jeffers told me that you're running a bike coop in the Have'. I've been looking for an old refurbished commuter bike and was wondering if you had anything. I would also be interested in getting involved in the coop. Let me know what I can do, Noah

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Welcome to the "Thethinktank" mailing list
by Cristina.Cruz＠CityofOrlando.net 12 Sep '08

12 Sep '08

Please subscribe me to your newsletter. Thank you thethinktank-bounces(a)bikecollectives.org wrote on 09/12/2008 08:50:36 AM: > Welcome to the Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org mailing list! Welcome > to The Think Tank, the goal of this list is to discuss ways to improve > and encourage communication between existing and future community bike > shops. > > To post to this list, send your email to: > > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > General information about the mailing list is at: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org > > > If you ever want to unsubscribe or change your options (eg, switch to > or from digest mode, change your password, etc.), visit your > subscription page at: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank- > bikecollectives.org/cristina.cruz%40cityoforlando.net > > > You can also make such adjustments via email by sending a message to: > > Thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > with the word `help' in the subject or body (don't include the > quotes), and you will get back a message with instructions. > > You must know your password to change your options (including changing > the password, itself) or to unsubscribe. It is: > > geunorbe > > Normally, Mailman will remind you of your bikecollectives.org mailing > list passwords once every month, although you can disable this if you > prefer. This reminder will also include instructions on how to > unsubscribe or change your account options. There is also a button on > your options page that will email your current password to you.

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Help Whole Foods Keep Promise to Fundraise for Homeless Shelter Bike Shop
by rachael spiewak 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Dear friends and neighbors, On Wednesday, September 10, 2008, Whole Foods on Ponce canceled a 5% Day<http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/stores/poncedeleon/community-giving.php>* fundraiser to support an Earn-A-Bike program at Taskforce for the Homeless<http://www.homelesstaskforce.org/>because the Midtown Ponce Security Alliance <http://www.midtownponce.org/> threatened to boycott the store. Sopo Bicycle Cooperative <http://www.sopobikes.org> is a community partner in this project, along with Paideia High School and Americorps. We would like to offer some clarification about the project, and to ask you to support us by asking Whole Foods to reinstate its commitment to Taskforce by rescheduling 5% Day. The Taskforce Earn-A-Bike project was created by a Sopo intern from Paideia High School and an Americorps Volunteer at Taskforce who wanted to make independent transportation accessible for Taskforce Resident Volunteers (people who complete volunteer commitments at the shelter in order to reside there). We all came together to create an on-site bicycle repair shop that provides access to an environmentally responsible form of transportation as well as opportunities to learn marketable skills. Skill building and reliable transportation are necessary for everyday life, and will help our friends at Taskforce access jobs and independent living. Sopo and Taskforce for the Homeless are asking Ponce Whole Foods to reinstate its commitment to Taskforce by rescheduling 5% Day. You can help by calling or emailing: Lesley Sifford lesley.sifford(a)wholefoods.com 404-853-1681 Let's keep it positive. Ponce Whole Foods staff members selected this project to be the beneficiary of 5% Day. Let's be supportive and friendly as we work together to make sure Ponce Whole Foods follows through with its promise. *On a designated 5% day, 5% of store sales are set aside and donated to a local nonprofit. Sincerely, Rachael Spiewak, MSW Executive Director Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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Our Booth at Interbike 2008
by Jonathan Morrison 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Like last year the Bike Collective Network will have an advocacy booth at Interbike (www.interbike.com) from Sept 24th until Sept 26th. Yes, they scheduled Bike!Bike! on top of it this year. So if you are not planning on going to Bike!Bike! this is a great opportunity for grants, tools, parts, sponsorships, manufacturer seconds, networking, professional workshops that will put your head in a whirl for months, and not to mention tearing up the Vegas strip on a bike. So three things: 1) This booth is for all of us, and people with deep pockets ask where the closest community bike shop for a donation, it is helpful if we can give them your info. So please mail any materials you want handed out before Sept 22nd to: 2312 S. West Temple; Salt Lake City, UT 84115. If you have photo albums, they would be great and we will mail them back after the show. 2) We will be printing out copies of the Bike Collective Network Directory (not the wiki) to hand out, so please make sure you are listed. http://www.bikecollectives.org/component/option,com_sobi2/sobi2Task,addNew/ 3) If you are planning on going to Interbike, please contact me (off the list) so we can establish some volunteer shifts at the booth. If you are coming alone feel free to room and board with us, we usually get a bunch of rooms at Circus Circus and pack as many people in as possible. -- Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org Get Addicted to Crank! http://www.slcbikecollective.org/crank/ The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households.

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bike!bike! thursday
by allison karow 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

I can't tell from the bikebike website if there will be any events on Thursday during the day. Our shop is trying to decide when we will leave for san fran. Does anyone know yet how early we should get there, and how late we should stay on sunday? Thanks!

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think tank
by Ainsley Naylor 07 Sep '08

07 Sep '08

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Flying to Bike!Bike! and old schedule from 2007?
by Cris Shirley 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Hey! I'm really excited to go to bike!bike! this year but it's on the other side of the country for me, so i'd need to fly. Anyone have any suggestions for cheap flight to get there (i'll be flying out of JFK should I definitely flight to the san francisco airport? or is there a better one?) please lemme know! I also thought about flying standby with airtran ($99 one way, but no guarantee how long i'll wait and they first fly me to atlanta, i believe anyone know any other standby flight options?) but don't know people that have done it, anyone tried this before? ( http://www.airtranu.com/airtran_u.aspx#how) I assume I can get from the airport to the location by public transportation, but i haven't found anything on the website on how to do that, if anyone knows that'd be great to know how to do. Also, i'd really either like to see the work shops being offered this year, or at least see the workshops that were offered last year if anyone has that info, it'd be really helpful for me (especially if i'm going to ask another student organization to pay for me to go). I've been starting this bike collective in new haven, but we are in transition (new location) and should revise our operations significantly so i hear this would be a great thing to attend (right?) and that it'd be worth the money I spend rather than buying more tools for the collective. xoxo cris

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Re: [TheThinkTank] New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hurray for Plan B! Hurray for New Orleans! It is good to know that you are all alright. Please let everyone know if you need help. This may not be something you can turn your mind to just yet, but... Bill Quigley's "Katrina Pain Index" hit my inbox about seventeen times the week of the anniversary of Katrina. One of the alarming statistics contained in it was that 80% of the pre-Katrina public transit capacity has not been restored. I've cycled in New Orleans in your August heat, and it was a bit much for this Canadian girl-- give me an unplowed winter street any day! Those of you who cycle in that Southern humidity are tough! I've walked long distances in that humidity, too, and it made me so sad to think of people-- particularly old folks and little kids-- walking forever because there are no buses anymore. Fixing the public transit system is going to be a challenge for you all. That stat did make me wonder about whether or not you all or any one in your community had developed a more extensive alternative to the official New Orleans bike plan to help people who do not have cars. If not, do you know what your people and your city needs, can we set up a wiki and help you to develop a great one? Some of us are working with a wiki to design a bike plan for the Detroit-Windsor region, and that model is working well so far. We are developing a plan that contains both items that we, as citizens and denizens, are either already doing or can just start implementing all by ourselves, and things that we can take with us to meetings with all levels of government and with church groups and businesses, etc.. This ground up approach to city transportation plan design is kind of awesome so far; once our bike plan is a little father along, we will formally invite groups like Tansit Riders United, anti-poverty groups, women's groups, and others, to participate with us-- some of us already members of those groups, so those view points are already informally involved. If I can help New Orleans by helping with you develop that sort of plan, it would make me very happy-- so many of the people on this list have mad skills and lots of experience, but not much money to help you in other ways. Love to all of you and to your city-- have fun at Bike!Bike! Sasha On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:04:34 -0400 plan b NOLA Bike Project <nolabikeproject(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Hey y'all! > >Plan B is up and we hope to reopen tomorrow! Most of us were in >Jackson, Ms. >at Ethan Clark's family home when Gustav hit. Everyone is doing >well and >there doesn't seem to be any damage to Plan B, although I've only >been >around the exterior of the building; I hope to go in today. In my >hurry to >depart on Sunday I made Plan B my last stop to take important >papers, close >windows, remove money, etc. and I locked the building keys inside >the bike >shop. Oops! > >I'll post an update when I go in today but really, everything >should be >fine. That building's a fortress! > >There are a few of us that plan to head to Bike!Bike! so I'm >looking forward >to meeting you then. > >Thank y'all so much for your concern!!! > >All the best, >Victor Pizarro > >On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:58 PM, Jay Varner <jay(a)sopobikes.org> >wrote: > >> Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to >reach >> ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. >> >> In solidarity, >> Jay >> Sopo Bikes, Atlanta >> sopobikes.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkjBaUIACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl25wCeMx7z8wBj9PDz233vGiLGknWJqWQA oLaMXk0QQ7ghkFc98uAZyA/c/Q0V =ogzL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by Jay Varner 05 Sep '08

05 Sep '08

Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to reach ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. In solidarity, Jay Sopo Bikes, Atlanta sopobikes.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 04 Sep '08

04 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Kyle McKinley, I love that I can open an e-mail and read that anyone is someone's "favorite living bicycle thinker". Thank you for having a catagory of "bicycle thinkers" in your head, for having favorites, and for having so many favorites that they must be subcatagorized into "living" and, presumably, "dead" 'bicycle thinkers'. Reading your post cheered me up and made me feel that the world is a good place. I think I'll go read Mr. Brandt on wheels right now. It just became the most important thing on my to-do list. Kudos to all Americans for your historic Presidential slate-- Obama-Biden, McKinney-Clemente, Nader-Gonzalez, even McCain-Palin, despite the shudder that one gives me--has everyone seen the photos of Barak Obama riding his bike around Chicago like a regular commuter cyclist? Sasha On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:48:30 -0400 kyle mckinley <bicirider(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Mr. Brandt is my favorite living bicycle thinker. His posting on >wheels >(fully catalogued on the web) make for incredibly interesting and >entertaining reading. Unlike most everyone else out there, Brandt >is a >engineer, with no links to the industry. He's exactly the kind of >grumpy old >codger that we need in this scene, and I've never known him to be >wrong. >Thanks for these reposts... His gruff responses make me laugh out >loud. >-kyle > > >On 8/6/08, Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> wrote: >> >> Speaking of Jobst, he has an FAQ on Sheldon's site: >> >> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html >> >> Lots of good reading (and opinions) there. >> >> Mark Rehder >> http://re-cycles.ca >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> > > > >-- >If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bicis -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAki59DwACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl0sACfeK2qRqONK7S6floCo+OhCrYjAMYA njJOkg1q8nCajAql7ZZqaSYTutwf =/gpi -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] New Orleans/Gulf Cost Folks OK?
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 02 Sep '08

02 Sep '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I second that; when things settle down, please let non-locals know how we can help. You are all in everyone's thoughts and prayers. Sasha On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 23:58:04 -0400 Jay Varner <jay(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: >Just checking in. I realize email might not be the best way to >reach >ya'll...but if you do get this, let us know if we can help. > >In solidarity, >Jay >Sopo Bikes, Atlanta >sopobikes.org >_______________________________________________ >Thethinktank mailing list >Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAki9EN8ACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlZLQCcCkqBsJV5AffBp3T/7Y7vvhNJnukA oLibxHQVqVz2E20MY7dG2LvRmEu3 =R+Tb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Frozen seatpost
by BovineOaks＠aol.com 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

Friends I have removed many seat posts that bike shops could not get out, I have tried many chemicals, saw blades, oxy/acetyl torch. I have witnessed frame builders and frame painters melt them out with torches. If you get lucky and have very little corrosion you can put a bike upside down in a bench vice clamping on the seat post. If you have lots of corrosion that extends 4 to 6 inches down the seat post, Chemistry will not eat down 4 inches in less than a year. I have only seen the erosion of a few millimeters of the oxidation with chemical remedies. This will work if you are lucky and have very little corrosion. When you are not lucky then a long saw blade used mindfully will cause the least amount of damage to the bike frame. If you are going to repaint the bike then using an oxy/acetyl torch will melt the aluminum seat post out of STEEL BIKE FRAMES ONLY. The heat will destroy the paint and the torch is placed inside the seat post not outside on the frame seat tube. If too much heat is used the seat tube will crack or the seat stays will become unbrazed. Great care is needed and a bunch of skill if you are to use a torch. Cold works best if the seat post is not inside the seat tube. When they are bound together tightly they are hard to cool at different rates. When they are cooled at the same rate they stay bound together. Once again if there is very little corrosion binding the two together, cooling may work. The saw works the best for the least amount of damage to the frame. It is slow going and hard work, but it works every time. Christopher Wallace Chicago **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt
by Andrew Bushaw 31 Aug '08

31 Aug '08

I have run into this a few times with aluminum seatposts/steel frames. I've tried the ammonium route before but found it much to stinky/messy and didn't get results. I have had success with a sheldon method of taking a longish hacksaw blade and cutting a vertical slit in the seatpost from the inside, stopping once you get near the frame. Then I grabbed onto it with a monkey wrench and it just sort of collapsed into itself as I twisted it. Very, very time intensive but effective. I've also heard the CO2 heating/cooling trick works as well. -Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt > (Rigel Christian) > 2. Re: Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt > (Arlen Cooke) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:33:09 -0700 > From: "Rigel Christian" <rigelc(a)gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by > Jobst Brandt > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: > <d47aa47d0808302133h343be5bcm4f56b1b27876d95b(a)mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > the people on the framebuilders list suggest two things when everything else > has failed: > > 1) ammonia > 2) lye (red devil has been removed from the market because of meth hysteria, > but drano works - anything with sodium hydroxide as the primary ingredient) > > these work for aluminum-seatpost-with-steel-frame only, AFAIK. the latter > will actually eat away at the seatpost itself (and produce probably-nasty > fumes). the former stinks really bad. > > i have never tried either of these, but they seem reasonable from a chemical > standpoint. > > On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 9:08 PM, Ethan <elabowitz(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >> For a seatpost (or any aluminum part that fits into a steel tube), I would >> think one would prefer to cool down the offending aluminum seatpost rather >> than heat the (painted steel) seat tube. >> >> Cool seatpost = smaller seatpost, ya? >> >> I hear this can be done with a CO2 cartridge, but I've never had to try it. >> >> Ethan >> Richmond, VA >> -- >> http://bikebuilding.blogspot.com >> >> >> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 11:42 PM, joshua muir <muirjoshua(a)gmail.com>wrote: >> >> >>> I didn't see anything abut heat in there- I have had a fair bit of success >>> heatng stuck joints, and pulling stuck aluminum stems and seat posts. >>> >>> just don't overheat (or use the auluminum parts again). >>> >>> josh >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Aug 30, 2008 at 6:30 PM, <dragonfly(a)mac.hush.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >>>> Hash: SHA1 >>>> >>>> >>>> Kyle McKinley, I love that I can open an e-mail and read that >>>> anyone is someone's "favorite living bicycle thinker". >>>> >>>> Thank you for having a catagory of "bicycle thinkers" in your >>>> head, for having favorites, and for having so many favorites that >>>> they must be subcatagorized into "living" and, presumably, "dead" >>>> 'bicycle thinkers'. >>>> >>>> Reading your post cheered me up and made me feel that the world >>>> is a good place. >>>> >>>> I think I'll go read Mr. Brandt on wheels right now. It just >>>> became the most important thing on my to-do list. >>>> >>>> Kudos to all Americans for your historic Presidential slate-- >>>> Obama-Biden, McKinney-Clemente, Nader-Gonzalez, even McCain-Palin, >>>> despite the shudder that one gives me--has everyone seen the photos >>>> of Barak Obama riding his bike around Chicago like a regular >>>> commuter cyclist? >>>> >>>> Sasha >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:48:30 -0400 kyle mckinley >>>> <bicirider(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Mr. Brandt is my favorite living bicycle thinker. His posting on >>>>> wheels >>>>> (fully catalogued on the web) make for incredibly interesting and >>>>> entertaining reading. Unlike most everyone else out there, Brandt >>>>> is a >>>>> engineer, with no links to the industry. He's exactly the kind of >>>>> grumpy old >>>>> codger that we need in this scene, and I've never known him to be >>>>> wrong. >>>>> Thanks for these reposts... His gruff responses make me laugh out >>>>> loud. >>>>> -kyle >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 8/6/08, Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Speaking of Jobst, he has an FAQ on Sheldon's site: >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.sheldonbrown.com/brandt/index.html >>>>>> >>>>>> Lots of good reading (and opinions) there. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark Rehder >>>>>> http://re-cycles.ca >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Thethinktank mailing list >>>>>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>>>>> >>>>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >>>>>> >>>>> bikecollectives.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> If an Easyrider rides easy, then a bicirider rides bicis >>>>> >>>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify >>>> Charset: UTF8 >>>> Version: Hush 3.0 >>>> >>>> wkYEARECAAYFAki59DwACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRl0sACfeK2qRqONK7S6floCo+OhCrYjAMYA >>>> njJOkg1q8nCajAql7ZZqaSYTutwf >>>> =/gpi >>>> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Thethinktank mailing list >>>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>>> >>>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>>> >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Joshua Muir >>> joshua(a)santacruzhub.org >>> >>> Frances Cycles -- francescycles.com >>> Handbuilt cycling framesets >>> Touring, Track, Road,Cross, and Cycletrucks for hauling any distance >>> >>> >>> The Bicycle Church Collective >>> Community Self-Service Cycle Repair >>> 3pm to 7pm everyday except Sunday >>> 703 Pacific Ave (enter on Spruce St) >>> Santa Cruz, CA 95060 >>> (831) 425-2453 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> >> >

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Frozen seatpost - stem removal tips by Jobst Brandt
by Tim Potter 30 Aug '08

30 Aug '08

Folks, My head mechanic has fwd'd me the following collection of posts from one of the top bike mechanics/ authors in the country (Jobst is the author of "The Bicycle Wheel" considered the bible of everything you ever wanted to know about bike wheels). Apparently my advice doesn't apply to any aluminum parts (seatposts/ stems). Reading thru these posts is very enlightening and should be required reading if you're a mechanic or shop estimator dealing with customers. Tim ----------------- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: stem stuck... please help! Date: 3 Sep 1998 15:46:27 GMT Jim Robin writes: > My Bianchi's handlebar stem is stuck inside the fork steerer tube. > The stem is a standard aluminum quill-type (TTT Synthesis). I > loosened the quill hex bolt and sprayed WD-40 in hopes of freeing it > up, but no luck. If you have loosened the bolt and driven the expander cone out of engagement with the bottom of the stem, the stem should be rotatable with moderate force. If this is not the case, then you have a corroded frozen stem. Many forks have been damaged by twisting the bars forcefully in an attempt to free the stem. Don't do it. A skilled mechanic can drill out the stem until it is a thin shell, then with a grinder. break through one side of the shell to extract the stem. Because aluminum expands with corrosion, you cannot loosen a frozen stem by force. Get it removed by a competent shop. Frame builders do this regularly. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Frozen Stem Date: 7 Nov 1998 20:22:20 GMT Tom Gargulak writes: > My aluminum handlebar stem is frozen into my steel frame due to > corrosion. We tried penetrating oil and force. Any tips or a FAQ? The advice to: "Twist, twist, twist. It will eventually break free." Is not good. THe result of this method is often fork failure unless you use a 2x4 through the crown of the fork, and then success is rare. There are no solvents for the aluminum oxide that has expanded with more force than you can imagine. Steel tube swimming pool railings often expand by 1/8 inch from aluminum plugs in the ends that leaked. The best solution is to saw off the stem, drill out to as close to the steer tube as possible and use a Dremel tool to grind it through on one side. The local frame builder has a collection of these shells in a heap. The cause of these failures is that the stem is only anchored at the bottom and works from side to side in use at the top, where a meniscus of sweat or sweat loaded rain water waits to enter. Even the rubber seals in some head bearing lock nuts are usually not good enough to block intrusion. I have a stem with an extension protruding above the lock nut with a clamp on it. By this method the stem is held top and bottom and a fill of grease on installation does the trick as it does on seat posts. It's the motion that kills the stem. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc Subject: Re: stuck seatpost dilema Date: 11 Jan 2000 15:52:27 GMT Doug VanGoethem writes: > I have a 10 year old steel frame bike that I still use for commuting > and such. I was going to let someone else ride it and found the > seatpost was firmly stuck. It's not a surprise when I think about > it because it has to have been at least 3 years since I moved it > last and who knows if I had any grease on it then. [...] > So what's the deal? Is this just the worst stuck seatpost in history? Your tale of woe is not unusual and the advice you found in earlier writings is mostly malarkey, invented by readers who are hypothesizing or who had seat posts that were basically a tight fit but not corroded in place. When aluminum (seatpost or bar stem) oxidizes from water intrusion, it has both galvanic activity and a captive electrolyte (water) source. Aluminum oxide formed is porous and hard and takes up about twice the volume of the metal from which it is made. This is a press fit with molecular interlocking that cannot be separated by force and cannot be dissolved by chemical action in any reasonable time without immersion in a hot bath. Even that is doubtful because the area of attack is small and depth great. The practical way for removing such corroded parts is to saw them off and bore them out, first with a drill if wall thickness is too great (bar stem), and then with a Dremel tool. For prevention of this effect, make sure the seat post is sealed with stiff grease or paint. Bar stems are always vulnerable if they are not double clamped because they pump water by a varying gap when you wrench on the bars. Road bikes traditionally have an expander that arrests the bottom of the stem while the top is free to move laterally in the upper end of the steer tube. Only stems clamped at the upper end can be effectively sealed. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.misc Subject: Re: stuck seatpost dilema Date: 12 Jan 2000 02:09:06 GMT Mike Jacoubowsky writes: >> Your tale of woe is not unusual and the advice you found in earlier >> writings is mostly malarkey, invented by readers who are >> hypothesizing or who had seat posts that were basically a tight fit >> but not corroded in place... > I don't know if you're just trying to be contrary or mean or > whatever, but not all of the advice in the other posts was > "malarkey" (of course, you did say "mostly"...). You are correct in > your technical assessment of what causes the problem, but you are > incorrect to *assume* that the problem has progressed to the point > where the methods suggested wouldn't work. Ice water, LPS-4, WD-40 or vinegar are all theoretical methods. I have seen these attempted by people who believed in them without success. After the aluminum part was removed by drill and grind, the interface showed no sign of penetration in spite of laborious applications of said elixirs. On the other hand, I have seen forks ruined by twisting on handlebars in an attempt to remove a frozen stem. This is the more common result when a stem has corroded. > Have I seen a stuck stem which I could *not* remove using the means > I described? Absolutely. Probably three of them in 20+ years. > Have I successfully removed a great many others that people had > given up on? Yes! As I said, the ones that came out were not a result of mystical fluids but rather brute force. I didn't notice what method you claim worked for you. I also have removed stuck parts, but it wasn't with liquid nitrogen, ice or WD-40. These methods are holding out false hope for people who are not going to get served any better than by trying force up to a safe limit and then grinding the part out. > I don't know if you're just trying to be contrary or mean or > whatever, but not all of the advice in the other posts was... I think holding out false hopes is far more unkind than to tell the reader the truth. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: stuck seatpost dilema Date: 11 Jan 2000 19:03:21 GMT Matt O'Toole writes: > What about headsets with O-ring seals around the top to prevent > water from seeping between the stem and steerer? Do they not work? They haven't for me even with plenty of grease. My steer tube extends through the top nut with a stainless steel clamp. This no longer pumps and doesn't corrode, but then I'm using a steel stem now. The decapitated aluminum ones are hanging on the wall. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 27 Apr 2001 16:51:59 GMT Tim McNamara writes: > In a roundabout way I am asking whether steel stems are less likely > to get stuck in the steerer than alloy stems because of the galvanic > corrosion issue? In which case I lucked out... As I mentioned, steel stems do not get stuck and that is why that stem attachment was accepted in its day. The onset of aluminum stems caused the frozen stem syndrome. Creaking stem has always been a problem and the top clamp was devised to get rid of that. Let's not get the cause and effect sequences mixed. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 27 Apr 2001 18:11:39 GMT Jon Isaacs writes: >> That was before they thought of the O-ring Band-Aid that did no >> good. Pumping from side to side, the O-ring reduced water >> intrusion only slightly over no O-ring. > I cannot say whether or not the O-ring seals are properly designed > in the head set in question, however it is certainly possible to > design an O-ring seal which will work under such conditions. At the risk of being excessively repetitive, O-rings don't work well in lateral displacement, a mode in which they pump. Shimano and Campagnolo lock nuts with O-rings did not prevent water intrusion although their existence should make it obvious that there is a problem, something manufacturers don't mention. See, for instance, introduction of Campagnolo's "differential" brake. What a sham. > However, I suggest that if someone is really concerned with this > problem, a gator made with carefully applied Scotch 33 tape or > better yet an old inner tube and some zip ties would make a > sufficient seal. That might be a clumsy temporary fix but the design of this interface is basically flawed and the advent of aluminum stems brought it to it's knees for those of us who ride a lot. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 24 Apr 2001 01:15:59 GMT Mike Latondresse writes: > I won't say I have commuted to work by bike for 10+ years in > Vancouver BC where it sometimes rains in the winter and have never > had a stuck stem. I repeat that a minimum of preventive eminence is > all that it takes so negligence, not shit, is the issue. Of your 8 > points in support of this over-the-horizon advantage, number 1 seems > to be mainly a problem dogging you and some of your friends and not > the common experience of this group, and the other 7 are somewhat > dubious to me as a rider. For example who cares about a > Road/MTB/tandem standard, road riders? Oh! So what do you propose one should do, take the stem out every couple of weeks in the winter and minister to it? I can assure you that I lost a stem on a trip in the alps in less than three weeks, climbing in the rain often. When I came home, the stem was solid. I had installed it with grease before the trip. I don't understand what you and those of your ilk get out of defending poor designs on bicycles other than that you have a religious belief that if the bicycle gods made it it must be right. Therefore, anyone who has problems is a sinner to be roundly chastised. There's more to bicycling than commuting in the rain. It might just be that your experience is so narrow that you cannot visualize any other form of use. That would be the kinder assessment of your accusations. If that is not the case then you are guilty of greater social faux pas, namely righteous pomposity. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 25 Apr 2001 17:42:31 GMT Jay Beattie writes: > Everybody knows that stem-stick can happen, but after only three > weeks for Jobst's and one week for Johan? I wonder whether there is > some other environmental factor at play, such as salt or something > else that speeds corrosion. Hold it! I thought this thread was about riding bicycles, riding that for active bicyclists involves enough sweat to cover the front of the bicycle with salt crystals. Maybe some riders never ride harder than what their mascara will sustain without running, but for those who still have a little youth, that doesn't work. I know of one local rider who was saved by titanium because everything else turned to rust and aluminum oxide under his nose. > Ordinary rain certainly isn't the kiss of death because I ride in > the rain on an every-other-day basis during the winter and spring, > do little maintenance (shame on me) and rarely get significant > sticking. The rain serves to wash the salt into the places where it can do some "good". Climbing hills in the rain can do both. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 25 Apr 2001 17:30:22 GMT Lincoln Dickerson writes: > I am not sure where to interject this idea into this thread but this > seems as good a place as any. The O-ring idea gave me a thought and > maybe it is not mechanically sound either but here goes. > Would it be possible to use a boot like on a CV-Joint? So that the clamp > would keep the water from traveling down the stem and causing it to get > inside. > This of course would not be necessary for everyone because many people > don't have any problem but for those that do would it work? This ignores the basic problem, which is, that this is a mechanically flawed joint. Forget about the water intrusion. Stems break off and creak because they are attached only at the bottom end, being free to fret and gnaw at the top of the steer tube. I have cracked off stems and had ones with wear grooves at the steer tube exit. This is not a new problem but with the advent of the aluminum stem it got more evident. In the days of yore, track bicycles had an expander at the bottom and a clamped steer tube at the top so the stems wouldn't yaw in the steer tube. I have such a clamp on my fork and it does the job. No water will go in there just as no water goes down my seat tube because it is not a dynamic joint anymore. A little grease on installation takes care of it. > Maybe we could figure out which stem and frame combinations have the > most trouble. Or those with a particular riding style or environmental > or terrain issue. > What do you think? > I am not sure this would be any better looking than a threadless stem > but maybe it would save a lot of effort and stems. Threadless stems are made in different sizes and can be made as neat and clean as any. They probably won't look like a 1980's Cinelli stem but that is purely fashion. I prefer function. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 26 Apr 2001 01:07:37 GMT Richard Ney writes: >> In the days of yore, track bicycles had an expander at the bottom >> and a clamped steer tube at the top so the stems wouldn't yaw in >> the steer tube. I have such a clamp on my fork and it does the >> job. > Are you saying that you have clamped a short section of steerer tube > around the stem above the headset? Yes. > I'm unclear about what you've done here. You described it. >> No water will go in there just as no water goes down my seat tube >> because it [the stem] is no longer a dynamic joint. > How is the seat-tube/seat-post not a dynamic joint anymore? What did you > do? The seat post is static. It is the stem that becomes static with a top clamp. If you look at the interface, you will find a nice meniscus of dust encrusted grease with no witness crack from motion in contrast to a typical quill stem, or pedal for that matter that always fret and pump. We've been through the pedal being a dynamic joint recently. That's why we have a left hand thread on the left pedal and why cranks break predominately there. It is a dynamic joint. Seat posts are static joints on most bicycle because they have a good clamp and contact diameter, as is noticeable when installing the post in the frame. Stems visibly move when handlebar forces are applied. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:49:43 GMT Richard Ney writes: >>>> In the days of yore, track bicycles had an expander at the bottom >>>> and a clamped steer tube at the top so the stems wouldn't yaw in >>>> the steer tube. I have such a clamp on my fork and it does the >>>> job. >>> Are you saying that you have clamped a short section of steerer tube >>> around the stem above the headset? >> Yes. >>> I'm unclear about what you've done here. >> You described it. > How do you actually secure the steerer section to the stem? What > sort of clamp are you using? An unthreaded and split length of steer tube extends beyond the conventional head bearing lock nut and a stainless steel clamp locks it. It is so inconspicuous that no one notices it. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 26 Apr 2001 20:56:18 GMT Dave vt? writes: >> An unthreaded and split length of steer tube extends beyond the >> conventional head bearing lock nut and a stainless steel clamp locks >> it. >> Just sketch yourself a picture of what I just described. It can't be >> that difficult. The extension is smaller in diameter than the thread. > You are right, it's not difficult. Your last sentence confirmed my > suspicions. > I can imagine that the cost of machining this steerer must be much > higher than the standard steerer; that's probably why it's not in > widespread use. It's an answer to a question that is not asked very > often. We found it easier to turn the thread off than to make a clamp with threads. It costs nothing extra when the bicycle is being made. The same lathe operation that cuts the thread also turns the extended end. The whole frame is unavailable on the market, however, Cinelli track frames came standard with this design. This is not my invention. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 26 Apr 2001 21:06:53 GMT Scott Hendricks writes: > The reason folks are having a hard time imagining what you describe, > Jobst, is that many newer headset these days have lock nuts that > CANNOT be screwed down past the end of the steerer tube. I have a > bike w/ a sealed Ultegra headset, and the lock nut bottoms out on > the end of the steerer, and has a seal that is supposed to contact > the stem quill. So? You chuck it in the lathe and cut a clearance bore so the thread can pass through. This is a custom operation so don't restrict yourself to off the shelf thinking. > Older headsets had lock nuts that could easily be screwed down > beyond the end of the steerer. That was before they thought of the O-ring Band-Aid that did no good. Pumping from side to side, the O-ring reduced water intrusion only slightly over no O-ring. Jobst Brandt <jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- From: jbrandt(a)hpl.hp.com (Jobst Brandt) Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Threaded vs. threadless Date: 26 Apr 2001 15:54:43 GMT Robin Hubert writes: >> Threadless stems are made in different sizes and can be made as >> neat and clean as any. They probably won't look like a 1980's >> Cinelli stem but that is purely fashion. I prefer function. > So, the question begs, Mr. Brandt, do you use a threadless system? I think you can deduce the answer from what I have written. My solution is older than the threadless headset. 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Check out my Facebook profile
by Vyki Englert 24 Aug '08

24 Aug '08

I set up a Facebook profile where I can post my pictures, videos and events and I want to add you as a friend so you can see it. First, you need to join Facebook! Once you join, you can also create your own profile. Thanks, Vyki Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/p.php?i=201407367&k=Y3B5XWRYQVZM5F1CSB2XP4&r&v=2 ___________________ This e-mail may contain promotional materials. If you do not wish to receive future commercial mailings from Facebook, please click on the link below. Facebook's offices are located at 156 University Ave., Palo Alto, CA 94301. http://www.facebook.com/o.php?u=1443204419&k=dbb4a3

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non-program traffic during specific programs?
by veganboyjosh＠gmail.com 22 Aug '08

22 Aug '08

Howdy all. I'm wondering how some of you handle people regular, off the street/new volunteers traffic in your shops while there's a program going on. For example, our youth EAB class is going on, and someone rides by the shop, sees bikes on stands, and walks up with questions about our organization, what we are/do, etc. Or someone comes up with a broken brake cable/flat tire/etc. Do you turn them away and focus on the program going on? Do you allow the instructor/facilitators to become distracted and possibly involved in some convoluted thing that's gonna take a lot more work than was first thought? I feel bad when I'm in the middle of a class of kids, and someone comes up who's super excited about our mission and shop, and wants to chat and get into it with me about stuff completely unrelated to the ongoing youth class, and I can't give them the attention they deserve. Any thoughts? Policies about such? thanks! josh. Community Cycles.

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bike!bike! mailings
by Ann Altstatt 19 Aug '08

19 Aug '08

dear all, exciting news! information and registration packets for this falls' bike!bike! in san francisco will be in the mail shortly. to this end, if you wish to receive a packet and your projects address is not in the wiki directory or the boop (or is out of date, etc.. . .), please send me your address information. looking forward to seeing folks in september! thanks and thanks, ann altstatt (of bike church, santa cruz)

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call for bike curriculums in school districts?
by veganboyjosh＠gmail.com 12 Aug '08

12 Aug '08

Hey ThinkTankers, Raise your hand if you're excited about bikebike!... *raises hand* I'm working with a few other volunteers and a Boulder Valley School District staff member on getting together some kind of bike related curriculum into PE classes for Spring 09. We have some interested PE teachers, and they basically have some freedom to use whatever curriculum they feel best achieves/measures certain benchmarks for the students' progress. (Things like "can exercise at a moderate pace for 20 minutes or longer", "can balance appropriately", etc.) We are in touch with several Safe Routes to Schools people from across the country, as they seem to be very involved in most of the in-school curricula that we've come across. I'm interested in any of your experience(s) with this, either as a volunteer involved in a in-school program, or as a member of a bike collective doing work in schools. Who funds your programs? What is involved? What is the staff/volunteer/instructor load like? Do you have multiple schools that participate? We have some very lofty (albeit awesome) goals, and I'd like to temper these with some experience and realistic expectations. Right now, we're aiming the class at 6th grade students. If anyone is interested in hosting a similar program in their own location, please get in touch offlist, and I'll put together something to share. Thanks for any input. josh brown. community cycles, boulder, co

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Bicycle Commuter Collective
by Joe A 10 Aug '08

10 Aug '08

I have an idea for an intentional community/housing collective that I figured would be appropriate to first convey here and elicit what other cyclists think of the idea. It is my impression that there are a great many potential bicycle commuters within our population who do not pursue such a livelihood because they are not adequately supported in the beginning. Therefore, I would like to propose a community that would be known as the Cyclist Nursery or the Bird's Nest that would function as something of a halfway house that would be open to new residents who would like to pursue the goal of becoming a bicycle commuter and encourage them to later make space for new cyclist seedlings after a number of months or as soon as they feel comfortable. There are two main areas that I feel new cyclists need notable support: safety and sustenance. As for safety, there is not much that we can do to change the presence of dangers on the road, but it would be prudent to offer a living example of how to mitigate and minimize them through safe riding practices. This would relate to the service provided by the founders, their proteges and other experienced cyclists to accompany new commuters on their regular route to work or school to familiarize them with the most calm and flat paths, point out things/actions to avoid, and a general feeling of being supported in their endeavor. The other means of support would be the important pursuit of creating sustenance composed only of whole, nutritious foods for every meal. This is not very difficult, but vitally important for the levels of energy and awareness required by regular bicycle commuters. The creation of such meals would be a staple of creative pass-time and mutual support that would help to provide a sense of solidarity among the residents. It would not be a requirement that everyone be equally involved in such shared duties due to varied obligations, but monetary support would be expected in lieu collaborative labor for food expenses and time. So, I would like to hear what the greater bike community thinks of this proposal, any questions that have arisen and also where I might seek additional feedback, guidance, fellow investors.

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Austin Yellow Bike's most recent human-powered Move
by yellow bike 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Hi, all. I'm forwarding links to a new documentary of Austin Yellow Bike Project's most recent (June 21st, 2008) human-powered move. This time we moved our big 4500 sq.ft. headquarters into storage trailers on the site of what will be our new, improved headquarters<http://www.austinyellowbike.org/webberville_shop.htm>, which we hope to have completed by Spring 2009. If you'd like to help make this happen, please come by our small satellite shop at 1720 East 12th St during open hours <http://www.austinyellowbike.org/schedule.htm>, or if you'd like to donate some cash to the cause, you can do so on our website<http://www.austinyellowbike.org/webberville_shop.htm>. Feel free to forward this message freely to other folks who may be interested. BIG thanks to Shane Greb, from our local PBS affiliate (KLRU) for initiating and producing this piece. OK so the link to the docubloggers site is: http://www.klru.org/docubloggers/?p=367 and just plain old youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GgXSH1jHwI Also, if you haven't seen the video of the first human-powered move, which our friend Megan Rucker made, here it is: http://www.vimeo.com/137808?pg=embed&sec=137808 Thanks for watching! Jennifer Schaffer <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GgXSH1jHwI>

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stuck seat post tip
by Bob Giordano 06 Aug '08

06 Aug '08

a vise is good for stuck seat posts. flip over the bike, insert seat post into vise, tighten -but not too much to crush post-, move bike frame back and forth gently and smoothly while pulling up. be very careful to use smooth motions and 2 or 3 people as to not tweak frame. any other 'stuck seat post' tips? -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula

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removing self from list
by Food Guy 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

Hello, As helpful as this group has been, can you please tell me how I might remove myself from this list? MMoore

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Community Bike Sharing at Bike Bike
by Joe A 03 Aug '08

03 Aug '08

We should start a thread on the possibility of holding a community bike sharing forum at Bike Bike this year. I searched the history of messages and did not find any substantial discussion on the subject. I am part of a new group at City College of San Francisco known as the Green Corps working to integrate the bicycle more completely with the campus. As part of this work, we are holding a class starting this fall known as Alternative Transportation: Bicycles that will give the students an overview of bicycle mechanics, safety and policy and provide them with hands-on experience working in the campus shop known as the Bikery. Given such a well-staffed shop of people, this kind of program seems to have much potential to carefully put together a good number of bikes from donated parts and frames. As such we need to think about how these bikes can be put to use, and it seems natural to loan them out to students who would like to try commuting to school via bike. Hence an accelerated birth rate of bicycle commuters is in order. Thinking along these lines, I attended the recent bike sharing conference here in San Francisco. We heard from many people there about the preexisting options San Francisco has for the implementation of a bike sharing network. We also touched on concern for having diversity within the system as San Francisco actually realistically only has one primarily-city-funded option with the obligation to give the owner of the City's transit shelters, Clear Channel, the first right to refusal of a contract. It was specifically noted that most of these suggested preexisting systems, specifically exemplified by some major cities in Europe, are fleets composed of a monoculture of cruiser-type bikes. This would limit their use to the flat lands such as the Mission and Market corridors. Their limitations would also necessitate the wide-spread use of automobiles for the regular replenishment of bikes taken on one-way trips down from higher ground. In addition, a limited term-of-service duration and the impossibility of long-term loaning would not reach the widest possible population. It would be a shame to not consider alternatives now and end up feeling stuck with a dominant system of monocultured bicycles. The time is ripe to move with a purpose of preempting market dominance and that is where consideration of a long-overdue community bike sharing network comes into play. There are undoubtedly a lot of obstacles to overcome, especially the disabling reality of theft and liability and also consideration of location. Liability is perhaps the tallest hurdle to leap, especially in this notoriously litigious state of California. On this matter we have consulted Bill Burton of Arcata Library Bikes, the largest bike sharing network in the country, who has been at the forefront of setting a precedent for the viability of insuring bicycle sharing. And there is word of a possibility of support from his organization for the development of such a system. Visit his website here (http://arcata.com/greenbikes/) and of particular interest is his book Anybody's Library Bike, which is a guide for setting up such a community bike sharing system. There is also the question of where such bike sharing stations can be maintained and the Green Corps hopes to have City College help lead the way. The Green Corps has ensured space for the Bike Bike conference at CCSF's downtown campus and as such would like to seek and provide enthusiastic support for the development of such important community-supported infrastructure. Let us get inspired to meet and discuss where we've been, what we've learned as well as the possibilities and challenges ahead. Joe Abrams a proud member of the CCSF Green Corps

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Tools for starters
by Ariel raymon 02 Aug '08

02 Aug '08

Hey everyone, Ariel from bikefarm here. We're starting to make our space into a shop, and are looking at the tools we need to purchase. Suggestions on bare minimum tools for a funcitoning shop would be really helpful, as we'll be making a large order from the UBI distributors in a month or so. Also, Are there grants for things like this? Thanks, Ariel

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bike-powered farm equipment
by freeridemp＠riseup.net 27 Jul '08

27 Jul '08

hey gorgeous bike advocates and enthusiasts, a friend and i were kicking around ideas for bike-powered farm machinery yesterday. any resources y'all can send my way would be much appreciated. of course i'll share any promising results. all the best, colin gunn freeride montpelier www.freeridemontpelier.org

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Advice on teaching URBAN RIDING to WOMEN?
by Claire Stoscheck 25 Jul '08

25 Jul '08

Hello thinktankers! I´m right now in Quito, Ecuador with a cool project called Todas en Bici which is promoting biking as transportation for women in the city. We are holding workshops teaching adult women to bike... and we have a group now that already has balance and can basically bike. What we need are tips on how to teach more advanced techniques like breaking, turns, shifting, hand signals, and other tecniques to sucessfully bike in the city. If you have any ideas or know of any already made manuals or the sort, please let me know! Also, please submit to the next issue of the feminist bike zine DAMES ON FRAMES based out of Minneapolis, MN! Articles, stories, photos, drawings, whatever...it all goes! About GENDER, EQUALITY, ACESSIBILITY AND BIKES. Send your submissions (by August 7) to: damesonframes(a)gmail.com THANKS! Claire Stoscheck On 7/21/08, rachael spiewak <rachael(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: > > hi, everyone. > > just wanted to pass along a guide to basic repairs illustrated by one of > our volunteers (it also includes a few pages about bike anatomy from the > BICAS manual): > http://sopobikes.org/static/basicsmanual.pdf > > enjoy! > > rachael > > -- > Sopo Bicycle Cooperative > 404-425-9989 > www.sopobikes.org > * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * > Hours of operation: > Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm > Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > >

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new co-op
by Angelo Coletta 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Hello Our organizational meeting was held 8 July. Filing for non-profit corporation is in process with the State of Ohio. Our name is now "Summit Cycling Center" contact address is Attn Angelo L. Coletta 45 Catherdal Lane #602 Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio 44223 Please place us on the list. Angelo

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Re: [TheThinkTank] collectives in DC?
by Jessica McPherson 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Chain Reaction did shut down. The larger project it was a part of, the Shaw Ecovillage, lost funding or something like that and closed its doors. Jessica ----- Original Message ---- From: Sandy Robson <sandyrobson(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 1:26:36 PM Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] collectives in DC? There's one in Mt Ranier just outside the DC line and then there's the Velocipede Bike Project in downtown Baltimore. I've heard that Chain Reaction was shut down? Is this true? On 7/22/08, Froilan Landeros <froilanderos(a)gmail.com> wrote: aren't there a couple in Baltimore? On Tue, Jul 22, 2008 at 11:50 AM, Ann Altstatt <annaltstatt(a)gmail.com> wrote: i don't know think that they are a coop or collective, but the only community bike project i've heard of so far in DC is Chain Reaction Youth Bike Shop 1416 North Capitol Street, NW Washington DC 20002 202.265.2019 On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 10:58 AM, ReCycles Bike CoOp <lrbikecoop(a)gmail.com> wrote: > I have had a volunteer move out to the Wash DC area and he is wondering > about any bike coops or collectives in that area. Any contacts i could give > him? > > Thanks, > > Danielle > coordinator, reCycles bike CoOp > little rock, arkansas > > _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… -- froilan landeros _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… -- Macalester College 1600 Grand Ave St Paul, MN 55105 US Cell 410 206 7826 MSN jindabad(a)hotmail.com

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Bike Party Theme ideas
by Andalusia Knoll 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

Hey Ya'll Free Ride! in Pittsburgh is planning a big fundraiser for our youth earn a bike programs and we need a theme for the party (which, for those of you who know me, is also my "im leaving pittsburgh and beloved free ride party".) Any ideas for themes? We know our SpandeXXX party from last year's bike bike was a major hit, but we feel a little unwholesome having a scandalous party for our youth programs. Please write with any awesome theme ideas or fun party game suggestions- bike wheel bowling, huffy tosses etc. Thanks, Andalusia

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collectives in DC?
by ReCycles Bike CoOp 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

I have had a volunteer move out to the Wash DC area and he is wondering about any bike coops or collectives in that area. Any contacts i could give him? Thanks, Danielle coordinator, reCycles bike CoOp little rock, arkansas

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Fwd: Toronto Cylclists Union Newsletter July 2008
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, All. Although I don't live in Toronto right now, it is my home town, so I signed up. They sent me a newsletter today, and I wanted to pass it on to encourage and perhaps inspire everyone, particularly those in less bike friendly places-- it took thirty years to get to this in Toronto. I'm going to see if we can do the same thing here in Windsor- Detroit. Please note the reference to Momentun Magazine, and go check out their web site. They do profiles of the cycling culture in North American cities. You all could totally write articles about your city for them. Sasha - ----- Forwarded message from Toronto Cyclists Union <info(a)bikeunion.to> ----- LAUNCH INTO TORONTO'S FIRST OFFICIAL CYCLISTS UNION The Toronto Cyclists Union launched on May 20, 2008, with a public press conference at the Peace Garden in Nathan Phillips Square in Toronto. Speaking guests included Mayor David Miller, City Councilor Adrian Heaps, Metrolinx Chair Rob MacIsaac, Walk & Bike for Life Executive Director Gil Peñalosa and CultureLink Executive Director Ibrahim Absiye. The advantage to the Toronto Cyclists Union, and for cyclists in general, is the power in numbers: the more names and emails we have of individuals in the bike union, the stronger we become when working with politicians and other interested parties in the city. There's a lot of cyclists here in Toronto, ready to get involved in making this a better city to bike in - we intend to make that known, and to help make it happen. We've made the membership cost low enough to allow everyone to join, and it's now easier than ever with a direct credit card processing system. Take advantage of the bike union's lock removal program, social events, rides and parties, and other unique services. Visit bikeunion.to often to connect to the ideas, plans and actions of other cyclists. As we grow and gain momentum, so too will your member benefits. Join Toronto's first member-funded, city-wide bicycle advocacy group today at bikeunion.to New bike union makes the news Since our launch in May, the Toronto Cyclists Union has made headlines across the city. As the new representative voice of hundreds of cyclists we have already begun to establish ourselves as an important source regarding cycling issues and have been sought after for comment by most local media outlets, as well as others beyond the GTA. The more frequent recent media attention paid to cycling issues is a reflection of the growing momentum and interest in all forms of cycling, and commuting in particular. Our voice can now regularly be found in the Toronto Star, Globe and Mail, National Post, CBC radio & television, Global News, CFRB, 680 News, CIUT, Toronto Sun, Eye Weekly, NOW Magazine, Toronto Social Justice Magazine, the Christian Science Monitor, and at least a dozen cycling and non cycling related blogs. Recent coverage can be viewed here Advocacy in action In June, we met with city staff and politicians to push for increasing the number of bike lanes in our city and a full implementation of the Bike Plan. Some highlights of recent advocacy on behalf of cyclists include: o Speaking to councillors, and making deputations at a Public Works and Infrastructure Committee meeting regarding the cycling facilities on Annette Street o Being invited as a special stakeholder by Metrolinx as they prepare a sustainable GTA- wide transportation strategy o Attending public consultations for Don Mills LRT o Speaking at the Etobicoke Community Council Meeting regarding the redesign of the South Kingsway/Queensway Interchange o Engaging in discussions with Toronto Police Services to clarify procedures of the recent Bicycle Safety Blitz Visit bikeunion.to to find out more about our successful events and the Paint the Plan campaign. Everyday activism The Toronto Cyclists Union is currently implementing a Ward Advocacy Program whose mandate is to mobilize local cyclists in all wards of Toronto, from Etobicoke and Parkdale to Riverdale and Scarborough. Councillors need to hear from local cyclists about the issues in their neighbourhoods. The first campaign strives to hold the city accountable to the Bike Plan. There are several ways that you, as an individual, can get involved: o Do you think that the city of Toronto needs an major East-West bike route? Write a letter to your councillor. o When you're shopping on one of the major East-West streets, such as Bloor, you can also let the merchants know that you arrived by bike. o Not quite ready to write your councillor? Know who your councillor is and pick up the phone to let them know you are choosing a cleaner and healthier mode of transportation. Do you believe in strength in numbers? Join the bike union! Pee-wee takes Bloor St. What happens when you get a crowd of indie artists, one talented comedian, several Toronto Cyclists Union volunteers and an Iconic bicycle film? The Pee-wee Herman Picture Show, brain-child of Dave Meslin, the founder of the Toronto Cyclists Union, drew an enthusiastic crowd of 1500 people at the Bloor Cinema. You may have seen the cover of the Eye Magazine with Lex Vaughn, leading up to the show, gleefully sitting a top the red bike in a classic Pee-wee-Style Tux. We waited with anticipation, wondering if it would live up to the expectations of the crowds that snaked down the block outside. Cyclists rode up to the Bloor Cinema in droves and volunteers eagerly parked bikes to the happy tunes of Guh. As the theater seats filled with excited bike fans, it all came together. The film screened as some of our favorite local celebrities entertained on stage. Fans sat in awe, some wore costumes, some joined in shouting out favorite lines, some had the pleasure of seeing the film for the first time - in its new-found glory. Then somehow, the cast and crew, perhaps functioning solely on adrenaline, did it all over again for a second, equally popular screening. Best of all, the production of the Pee-wee Herman Picture Show highlights what can happen when people come together for the love of bicycles. We have many people to thank for this extremely successful fund raiser: Cast, crew, those who worked to get props and costumes together, valet bike parking attendants, staff at the Bloor Cinema, local businesses who helped to sell advanced tickets, and front of house volunteers. The uniquely Toronto Pee-wee Herman Picture Show could not have been staged without any one of these folks. Thank you! What a great way to launch. This amazing night left members of the Toronto Cyclists Union executive team saying, in the words of Kevin Morton (an actor in Pee-wee) "I am always ready! I have been ready since first call! I am ready! Roll!" Bells ring on a beautiful day on Bloor On Sunday, May 25th, the Toronto Cyclists Union co-sponsored Bells on Bloor. Fifteen hundred cyclists rode safely along Bloor Street, to highlight the need for a continuous bike lane on Bloor Street and Danforth. With children, parents, and seniors singing, ringing bells and laughing, it was a true pedal-powered celebration – and the largest gathering for safe cycling in Toronto's history. Although it was a joyful celebration - cycling on Bloor should not just be a Sunday activity done with a police escort – it should be an everyday event so that our city can start reducing the number of deaths from smog, climate change, and collisions. This east-west roadway is an ideal place for a bike lane, precisely the conclusion made in a report for the City of Toronto's Planning and Development Dept. in Feb. 1992! Bloor Street is long, flat, and free of streetcar tracks; therefore it's easy to redesign, given a little paint and political will. Indeed it's already a favored cycling route – 14% of the vehicles are the two-wheeled variety. (Unfortunately, Bloor is also one of Toronto's highest car-bike collision corridors.) Bloor Street hosts the subway, which makes Bloor a logical place for a bike lane since there is less need for car transport along this mass transit corridor. Bikes and bike lanes also have the potential to deliver far more shoppers to Bloor St. businesses. More bike lanes, which require a mere 150 centimetres on the side of a road, would produce more bike riders. A 1998 Environics poll found that 70 per cent of Canadians would bike to work for distances that took less than 30 minutes if they had a dedicated bike lane. And where bike lanes have been created in Toronto, the number of cyclists increased by up to 42 per cent, presumably because of the huge untapped potential of Toronto's 950,000 adults who ride a bike. Photos of the event can be viewed here. The ultimate urban cycling competition comes to Toronto Over 40 people attended a BBQ and social ride on June 15th to cheer on the "fastest, bestest messengers on the planet" at the Cycle Messenger World Championships. Despite intermittent rain showers, the event was a great success. Surrounded by trees, water and wildlife at Hanlan's point, the car- free community on Toronto Islands that hosted the competition, messengers from around the world challenged themselves via a variety of events designed to test both their physical and mental limits. The showcase event included hours of grueling navigation through multiple checkpoints, where racers had to determine the fastest and most efficient route to collect and drop packages. The championships are designed to replicate the real-life, high- intensity world of the urban messenger, with some spectator- friendly ramps, stairs and jumps added in. The Toronto Cyclists Union's very own Craig Barnes had his own personal success at this year's championships, placing an impressive 20th. The bike union would like to extend a big congratulations to the event organizers and TOBMA for staging this world-class event. For more information about the competition, visit the CMWC site. Vancouver cyclists trek to Toronto to share their documentary They've visited 22 countries and have traveled thousands of kilometres by bike - and they even have a documentary film to prove it. But Vancouverites Gwendal Castellan and Tania Lo had never been to Toronto... until last month. The pair made the trek to Toronto on behalf of Momentum Magazine for the Cycle Messenger World Championships. During their visit, Gwendal and Tania teamed up with the Bike Union to present a special screening of their documentary film, Long Road North, to an engaged crowd of Toronto cyclists. The film highlights their spectacular 19 month cycling journey from Patagonia to the Canadian Arctic. For more information about the film, visit: http://bikeunion.to/sites/tcu/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=184&q id=550 Having traveled to over 22 countries by bike, Gwendal and Tania are accustomed to finding the bike community in each city, town or village and exploring away. So during their visit to Toronto, they wrangled some bikes and went to town. "When people from around the world come and visit, it's a great opportunity to see your own town through a fresh set of eyes. These eyes noticed that Toronto has a flourishing urban cycling culture that has strong roots to grow from," she says. Tania identified some favourite features of Toronto: 401 Richmond, home of Martin Heath's Cine Cycle and Janet Bike Girl's studio, two of the city's gems; the Toronto Cyclists Union's current home, the dynamic Centre for Social Innovation (a concept she'd like to bring back to Vancouver); and the Toronto Islands, an oasis in the city where she witnessed the shining spirits of messengers from around the world. Gwendal and Tania thank Heather McDonald, Rick Conroy, Herb Van den dool, Martin Neale, Martin Heath and Janet Attard for being exceptional ambassadors of Toronto. Featured volunteer Lucy Perri is very proud to call Scarborough home. Despite living out of the downtown Toronto core, Lucy is one of the Toronto Cyclists Union's most dedicated and remarkable volunteers. Lucy is the secretary of the Toronto Cyclist Union Board of Directors. She also stepped up to emcee the Union launch in May, drove the "broom truck" (the support vehicle) for the recent Waterfront Trail Ride, helped out with tables at Pee-wee, and promoted the Toronto Cyclists Union at an event in Scarborough. What's more, Lucy regularly cycles downtown from Scarborough for meetings. Lucy is a great ambassador: she is a CanBIKE instructor and long- time cycling enthusiast. She is a member of the Touring Concept Cycling Group, based in Whitby. Lucy is also a member of the Outing Club of East York, for which she was a cycling coordinator for five years. Her favourite place to ride her bike is the trail in Thompson Park, located at Lawrence and Brimley. Lucy's energy and passion for cycling is contagious - thanks for all you do Lucy. If you're interested in helping the Toronto Cyclists Union grow and succeed, visit http://bikeunion.to/sites/tcu/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=188&q id=550 What's new in New York? Toronto gets a visit from Transportation Alternatives. On July 24th at the Centre for Social Innovation, the Toronto Cyclists Union and Toronto Coalition for Active Transportation will co-host an evening of film and discussion with Noah Budnick, the Deputy Director of Transportation Alternatives in New York. Noah is responsible for TA's campaigns to improve and increase walking, biking and transit in NYC. He's also engaged in efforts to win congestion pricing, complete streets and increase federal transportation funding. The evening promises to help illuminate solutions to some of the major challenges facing Toronto cyclists. Chris Carlsson, the man who helped launch Critical Mass, visits Toronto The legendary Chris Carlsson will be in town Sept 5 to 9, 2008. Stay tuned to bikeunion.to for further details about speaking engagements and the Toronto launch of his new book Nowtopia. Chris Carlsson, executive director of the multimedia history project Shaping San Francisco, is a writer, publisher, editor, and community organizer. For the last twenty-five years his activities have focused on the underlying themes of horizontal communications, organic communities and public space. He was one of the founders, editors and frequent contributors to the ground- breaking San Francisco magazine Processed World. He also helped launch the monthly bike-ins known as Critical Mass that have spread to five continents and over 300 cities. He has edited four books, "Bad Attitude: The Processed World Anthology" (Verso: 1990), "Reclaiming San Francisco: History, Politics, Culture" (City Lights: 1998, co-edited with James Brook and Nancy J. Peters), "Critical Mass: Bicycling's Defiant Celebration" (AK Press: 2002), "The Political Edge" (City Lights Foundation: 2004). He published his first novel, "After The Deluge," in 2004, a story of post- economic San Francisco in the year 2157 (Full Enjoyment Books: 2004). Carlsson makes his living as a book designer, editor, and typesetter. He is a member of Media Workers Union Local 100 in San Francisco. He is also recent past board president of CounterPULSE, a San Francisco- based arts organization, where he has been producing a series of public talks since January 2006. Check his website for updates on this and links to his blog and other activities: www.chriscarlsson.com Visit: http://bikeunion.to/sites/tcu/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=199&q id=550 To forward this mailing to friends or colleagues, click here: http://bikeunion.to/index.php?q=civicrm/mailing/forward&reset=1&jid= 38&qid=550&h=656203b52310aa78e880054b50e96f1effdce485 To unsubscribe from this newsletter, send email to the this address: unsubscribe.1.38.550.656203b52310aa78e880054b50e96f1effdce485(a)mail.b ikeunion.to or click here: http://bikeunion.to/index.php?q=civicrm/mailing/unsubscribe&reset=1& jid=38&qid=550&h=656203b52310aa78e880054b50e96f1effdce485 To never receive email from Toronto Cyclists Union, send email to this address: optOut.1.38.550.656203b52310aa78e880054b50e96f1effdce485(a)mail.bikeun ion.to or click here: http://bikeunion.to/index.php?q=civicrm/mailing/optout&reset=1&jid=3 8&qid=550&h=656203b52310aa78e880054b50e96f1effdce485. This mailing is from Toronto Cyclists Union. Mailing Address: @ Centre for Social Innovation 215 Spadina Ave, Suite 400 Toronto, M5T 2C7 To contact us call 416.273.7562 Or send a mail to info(a)bikeunion.to -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkiHacUACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRmpqQCfVW8F6haQRQ+Yl4IBM6wJJNkivFYA oJ8CNVX7WqwR1GvIpidusWzSb9WO =1GVe -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Recovered Bikes Find Rightful Owners
by tom emm 23 Jul '08

23 Jul '08

On Wed, Jul 23, 2008 at 10:30 AM, <tom48236(a)gmail.com> wrote: > tom48236(a)gmail.com has sent you a link! > > Title: Recovered Bikes Find Rightful Owners > Link: > http://blogto.com/city/2008/07/recovered_bikes_find_rightful_owners/ > > ---------- > This link was sent to you by a friend, and we do not opt you or your friend into receiving any additional mailings from blogTO. We hate spam too. > > Thank you, > > blogTO - Toronto blog > http://www.blogto.com >

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Re: [TheThinkTank] repair basics illustrations for you!
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 22 Jul '08

22 Jul '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello, Everyone. Thank you, Rachael. I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts over the past couple of months. My daughter, Anna, was born on May 29th. I had her at home at my mother's house in Toronto, helped by midwives, one of whom has known me since I was around seven years old. My mum cut the cord, so three generations of the women of our family were involved in that act. Since then, we've all been getting used to our new lives, so other things have fallen by the wayside. However, we did manage to put together a bike-shop-in-a-box for my friend's First Nation community-- it all fits onto a bike trailer we made for it! I'd like to thank everyone who posted suggestions and help about that project. Thank you. I reread everything you wrote to me, and also many of the other good posts about tools and equipment that people have shared on this list serve. You are all wonderful people and I love learning from you. I'm disorganized right now, so you'd have to be patient while I farted around getting it to you, but I would be happy to send info about our portable shop to those who'd like it. I have new questions for all of you now: I'm sure many of you are in families of commuter cyclists-- how young were your children when you started putting them in bike trailers or into one of those little seats? Did you ride with them during their first winter of life, or did you wait until they were a little bigger for all-season communter cycling? Do any of you get asked for help figuring out how to be bike dependant with little kids when you are at your shops? Thank you all again. I've included a couple pictures of my kid, just because I'm besotted with her. I hope you are all having a wonderful summer. Sasha On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:16:59 -0400 rachael spiewak <rachael(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: >hi, everyone. > >just wanted to pass along a guide to basic repairs illustrated by >one of our >volunteers (it also includes a few pages about bike anatomy from >the BICAS >manual): >http://sopobikes.org/static/basicsmanual.pdf > >enjoy! > >rachael > >-- >Sopo Bicycle Cooperative >404-425-9989 >www.sopobikes.org >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >Hours of operation: >Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm >Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkiE6xMACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRk4WACeOTlFyq9/uiBPhb5pTL/wM+5q/ywA niniyOMw0qGTYiKy6c0VOKOkBgtK =DiHr -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Re: [TheThinkTank] repair basics illustrations for you!
by dragonfly＠mac.hush.com 22 Jul '08

22 Jul '08

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, Geoffrey B-- I came in to visit you all at Bike Pirates this winter when I was home for an appointment. Next time I'm home, I'll come and see you guys. It would be great if we could create more portable shops and improve our designs. Thanks for wanting to help get bikes and bike shops to First Nations communities. Are any Toronto people you know planning to go to bike!bike!? Sasha On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 12:53:03 -0400 Geoffrey B <vous.je(a)gmail.com> wrote: >Please get in contact with us at Bike PIrates in Toronto ...we >having been >using the mobile shop concept for about a year now, its far from >perfect and >love some insight. I personally would love to send parts and tools >to native >communities. > > > >On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 4:01 PM, <dragonfly(a)mac.hush.com> wrote: > >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA1 >> >> >> Hello, Everyone. >> >> Thank you, Rachael. >> >> I have enjoyed reading everyone's posts over the past couple >> of months. >> >> My daughter, Anna, was born on May 29th. I had her at home >at >> my mother's house in Toronto, helped by midwives, one of whom >has >> known me since I was around seven years old. >> >> My mum cut the cord, so three generations of the women of >our >> family were involved in that act. >> >> Since then, we've all been getting used to our new lives, so >> other things have fallen by the wayside. >> >> However, we did manage to put together a bike-shop-in-a-box >> for my friend's First Nation community-- it all fits onto a bike >> trailer we made for it! >> >> I'd like to thank everyone who posted suggestions and help >> about that project. Thank you. >> >> I reread everything you wrote to me, and also many of the >> other good posts about tools and equipment that people have >shared >> on this list serve. You are all wonderful people and I love >> learning from you. >> >> I'm disorganized right now, so you'd have to be patient >while >> I farted around getting it to you, but I would be happy to send >> info about our portable shop to those who'd like it. >> >> I have new questions for all of you now: >> >> I'm sure many of you are in families of commuter cyclists-- >> how young were your children when you started putting them in >bike >> trailers or into one of those little seats? >> >> Did you ride with them during their first winter of life, >or >> did you wait until they were a little bigger for all-season >> communter cycling? >> >> Do any of you get asked for help figuring out how to be >bike >> dependant with little kids when you are at your shops? >> >> Thank you all again. >> >> I've included a couple pictures of my kid, just because I'm >> besotted with her. >> >> I hope you are all having a wonderful summer. >> >> Sasha >> >> >> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:16:59 -0400 rachael spiewak >> <rachael(a)sopobikes.org> wrote: >> >hi, everyone. >> > >> >just wanted to pass along a guide to basic repairs illustrated >by >> >one of our >> >volunteers (it also includes a few pages about bike anatomy >from >> >the BICAS >> >manual): >> >http://sopobikes.org/static/basicsmanual.pdf >> > >> >enjoy! >> > >> >rachael >> > >> >-- >> >Sopo Bicycle Cooperative >> >404-425-9989 >> >www.sopobikes.org >> >* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * >> >Hours of operation: >> >Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm >> >Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Note: This signature can be verified at >https://www.hushtools.com/verify >> Charset: UTF8 >> Version: Hush 3.0 >> >> >wkYEARECAAYFAkiE6xMACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRk4WACeOTlFyq9/uiBPhb5pTL/wM+5q/yw >A >> niniyOMw0qGTYiKy6c0VOKOkBgtK >> =DiHr >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank- >bikecollectives.org >> >> > > >-- >"Be the change you would like to see in the world." - Gandhi -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify Charset: UTF8 Version: Hush 3.0 wkYEARECAAYFAkiGKFAACgkQ5O7ahKJmrRlJLACeLyrfzS036Xi9iUhtJeGIb8JukOUA n0lxbSzbNRVAnw0gNa2eh1ev8vlW =ix0w -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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People interested in New Hampshire collective
by Colleen Mahoney 22 Jul '08

22 Jul '08

I'm looking for people interested in forming a New Hampshire bike collective, in the greater Manchester area. The idea is nascent but the need is there. To the best of my knowledge to closest bike collectives are in Boston but there is a lot of potential to start something both good and fun here. Drop a line to the ThinkTank if interested. There is currently no specific time frame and I'm more interested in substance than speed. Looking forward to hearing from ... well ... anyone. Eric Baxter Colleen & Eric Baxter mahoneco(a)earthlink.net

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repair basics illustrations for you!
by rachael spiewak 21 Jul '08

21 Jul '08

hi, everyone. just wanted to pass along a guide to basic repairs illustrated by one of our volunteers (it also includes a few pages about bike anatomy from the BICAS manual): http://sopobikes.org/static/basicsmanual.pdf enjoy! rachael -- Sopo Bicycle Cooperative 404-425-9989 www.sopobikes.org * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Hours of operation: Tues, Wed, & Thurs 7 pm - 10 pm Sat & Sun 2 pm - 6 pm

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13
by Tina Bechler 15 Jul '08

15 Jul '08

We would love to attend if we can find the time and the funds, please send registration to the contact information listed below....and thanks for organizing! Tina Bechler Program Director Bike Works 3709 S. Ferdinand St. Seattle, WA. 98118 206-725-9408 www.bikeworks.org "Building sustainable communities by educating youth and promoting bicycling." -----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces(a)bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:51 AM To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 13 Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: bike!bike! mailings (dave bauer) 2. Re: bike!bike! 08 - ride from SF to LA? (joshua muir) 3. Re: bike!bike! mailings (Community Bicycle Shop Omaha) 4. Re: bike!bike! mailings (Urban Bike Project Wilmington, DE) 5. Re: bike!bike! mailings - Is the wiki being updated with this info? (Rich Points) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 14:35:52 -0600 From: "dave bauer" <davebauer5(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike!bike! mailings To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> Message-ID: <8abdd4af0807141335t62aa57c9j65c745830832340b(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Contact information for Recycle Bicycles is below. Thanks! -- dave bauer 7196 s. poplar st. centennial, co 80112 usa h/w: 303.788.0672 c: 303.748.3541 davebauer5(a)gmail.com recyclebicycles.net ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:59:00 -0700 From: "joshua muir" <muirjoshua(a)gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] bike!bike! 08 - ride from SF to LA? To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org>, bluefews(a)gmail.com Message-ID: <8ab5b3a80807141659j3a46b019gc45563cb92f8a083(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There's been talk of at least a big group ride SF to Santa Cruz. and that is also around the time of the yet unscheduled bike church bike tour (traditionally through Big Sur, which is still on fire). But LA. . . ? probably not headed that way personally. josh On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 1:11 PM, allison karow <bike.saviours(a)gmail.com> wrote: > hi all- > is anyone interested in riding from SF to LA after bike!bike! ? or from LA > to phoenix? > respond or write to me at bluefews(a)gmail.com for details. > > -allison > bike saviours > tempe, az > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg > > -- Joshua Muir joshua(a)santacruzhub.org Frances Cycles -- francescycles.com Handbuilt cycling framesets Touring, Track, Road,Cross, and Cycletrucks for hauling any distance The Bicycle Church Collective Community Self-Service Cycle Repair 3pm to 7pm everyday except Sunday 703 Pacific Ave (enter on Spruce St) Santa Cruz, CA 95060 (831) 425-2453

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bike!bike! 08 - ride from SF to LA?
by allison karow 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

hi all- is anyone interested in riding from SF to LA after bike!bike! ? or from LA to phoenix? respond or write to me at bluefews(a)gmail.com for details. -allison bike saviours tempe, az

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Re: [TheThinkTank] bike!bike! mailings
by dave bauer 14 Jul '08

14 Jul '08

Contact information for Recycle Bicycles is below. Thanks! -- dave bauer 7196 s. poplar st. centennial, co 80112 usa h/w: 303.788.0672 c: 303.748.3541 davebauer5(a)gmail.com recyclebicycles.net

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Recycle-a-bike ladies repair night video
by elizabeth press 12 Jul '08

12 Jul '08

I thought this video might interest some of you: Continuing with our NYC bike month <http://bikemonthnyc.org/index.php>coverage, last week I had the chance to shoot at Recycle-A-Bicycle<http://www.recycleabicycle.org/>in DUMBO, Brooklyn. Recycle-A-Bicycle takes donated bicycles, repairs them and reintroduces them to the community through earn-a-bike programs in schools and sales from their non-profit retail locations. Although their work mainly focuses on environmental education and job training programs for New York City youth, they also host repair classes for people of all ages. Every Tuesday evening after the shop closes, Susan Lindell teaches bike mechanics 101 to women. Check out this video on Ladies Repair Night. http://www.streetfilms.org/archives/rab-ladies-repair/ best, Elizabeth streetfilms.org

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Volunteer Coordination....is hard
by Rich Points 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

Wah That said we're trying to use our volunteers better at Community Cycles. Late last winter we put up a volunteer form on our website http://communitycycles.org/get-involved/volunteer.html Since then we've had 73 people fill it out, of those I'd say less than five of them have plugged in once or twice at the shop or anywhere else. I know things would go a lot smoother if we had a volunteer coordinator to help oversee this. We're still looking for this person so in the meantime the staff and a few volunteers do what they can to keep up. We've checked out this http://communitycycles.org/get-involved/volunteer.html which is great advice but making it happen is another thing. We're going to have a retreat soon to discuss volunteering at Community Cycles. I have some specific things I'd like to explore during this retreat but wanted to start here with the Think Tank first. * How do we improve the quality and experience of the EAB program? * How can we instill ownership/responsibility in our volunteers? * How do we engage new volunteers? * How do we plug people into specific time slots? * How can we use volunteers to relieve stress on staff? * How do we best develop and implement an effective volunteer handbook? I could go on but those are the kinds of things we're trying to figure out. So I ask the Think Tank what your experiences have been with volunteering and volunteers. Thanks Peace -- Rich Points Community Cycles Director http://CommunityCycles.org Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org 720-565-6019

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New Space?
by Geoffrey B 11 Jul '08

11 Jul '08

Hello All Bike Pirates in Toronto has come across a problem. We are looking for a new space and was wondering if any organizations out there have any lists of things to look for in a new space for a volunteer cooperative DIY bike space. We have so many volunteers and no way to communicate out problem. We have always had storage issues. Our fine issue is with operating time, once we were restricted by our landlord to two days and now are free to open whenever. Every insight will help and thank you for all. Geoffrey Toronto, Canada www.bikepirates.com -- "Be the change you would like to see in the world." - Gandhi

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Come work with bikes in Kathmandu!
by Mario Bruzzone 10 Jul '08

10 Jul '08

Hello from Kathmandu! This email goes out to a wide variety of community bike programs and other community organizations working with marginalized and disempowered youth. Now firmly off the ground, Wrench Nepal is looking for new volunteers! Wrench Nepal <http://www.wrenchnepal.org> (www.wrenchnepal.org) teaches bike repair to some of the most disadvantaged kids in the Kathmandu Valley, by partnering with local, Nepali-run NGOs. Of our current partners, one NGO rehabilitates former child laborers, mostly from the carpet industry, and girls who are the victims of trafficking; the other provides schooling and opportunity for the children of the incarcerated, who (in true Dickensian fashion) would otherwise be in prison with their parents, despite committing no crime. For a variety of reasons, these kids are caught in a trap of poverty that we are trying to free them from. And you can be part, however large you choose to make it, of that change. You'll be arriving at a really exciting time for the program--a time when we embark on extending and expanding on the basic bike repair skills that the kids have learned in the trainings we've taught so far. This can be in the old, retail repair shop, might be making bike-machines a la Mayapedal, or something else--anything else--that you're excited about. Or even all three! We're hoping to get at least one person out here as soon as possible, and at least two within the next two months. In addition, anyone who comes before September can stay at my apartment until then for free--bed and all. Yeah, it's a bribe, but we're not above that. You should have: - Working knowledge of basic bike mechanics - Good communication and organizing skills - Willingness to live in a foreign environment and work with people from a very different culture Wrench Nepal continues as an all-volunteer program, but the cost of living is very low here, with rent in a comfortable place at times as little as $50 per month--my own rent is about $68, about $74 with utilities, and I didn't look very hard. Volunteers can also pursue part-time paid work to support themselves while here. We have an application available online at www.wrenchnepal.org/wrench_test2. If you prefer, you can also send a brief resume to me at mario(a)wrenchnepal.org. (No penalisation for either, of course!) Make sure to highlight your experience working with bicycles and working in community organizing positions. Thanks, and I hope to hear from you very soon! I encourage you to forward or re-post this message anywhere you feel is appropriate. Mario Bruzzone Wrench Nepal mario(a)wrenchnepal.org

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Cell phone use in the shop
by Urban Bike Project Wilmington, DE 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Does anyone have a firm policy or best practice regarding cell phone use in your shop space? To be honest, most of the time it is not a big deal, but it kinda sucks when a volunteer's time is being wasted waiting for someone to finsish a conversation or there are people waiting to use a stand. That and it adds to general confusion in the shop when you have a "cell phone wanderer" just meandering about. Wondering how you all handle it/don't handle it, Thanks, Brian -- Urban Bike Project of Wilmington -a 501(c)3 non-profit bike shop- 1908 N. Market Street (entrance is in the parking lot behind the building) Wilmington, DE 19801 Hours: Thursday 6:30-9:00 Saturday 1:00-4:00 Visit us online at http://urbanbikeproject.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop.
by Andrew Bushaw 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

Thanks for all the input! I certainly didn't mean to sound derogatory towards hipsters nor fixed gear bikes as I probably could qualify as either depending on what bike I choose to ride on any given day! I should put this question into context a little more. We are not currently open on saturdays and these folks have mentioned that is generally when they have time to wrench on their bikes. They aren't really interested in having the shop open because generally when we are open to the public, we are so swamped with EAB and folks stopping by for one-off repairs we there just aren't enough shop resources for them to get into completely overhauling their bikes at a leisurely pace. Basically they want to "rent" the shop on saturday's for their own use. I suppose that rent could be paid with volunteer hours during other open shifts or cash donations to the shop. Ideally some of these folks would come in and help out on other days and become collective members, wanting more responsibility. The other option I'm hearing from folks off list would be to make it an official open shift minus EAB or earning volunteer credit (Since those require a bit of admin/assistance) and just open for folks who are confident enough to work on their own bikes. -Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5
by Wanda Pelegrina 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

As already mentioned, it's a perfect opportunity to make "them" part of "us". If they become members of your collective and at least one of them gets "training" needed, to open/run/close shop, then it's def a win/win. Your shop gains members, support, etc and your hipsters gets their fixies and a chance to be part of something great. Let them know what your requirements are and if they're really into it, there should be no problem. If it's not gonna cause huge uproar in the shop, create more work or costs for the collective/ members/organizers, then never turn down any "them" (aka, potential "us") that wanna play in the shop...esp. if you have the capacity. 1da Wanda Pelegrina Caldas Wanda(a)CommunityCycles.org CommunityCycles.org > From: thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 23, Issue 5 > To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > Date: Wed, 9 Jul 2008 09:34:15 -0700 > > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Non-collective Members opening the shop. (plan_9(a)riseup.net) > 2. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points) > 3. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Rich Points) > 4. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Wilbur Ince) > 5. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (yellow bike) > 6. Re: Non-collective Members opening the shop. (Matt) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 08:51:27 -0700 > From: plan_9(a)riseup.net > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <20080709085127.ota77a09440wg08c(a)swift.riseup.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; DelSp="Yes"; > format="flowed" > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > Thanks, > Andrew > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 > From: Rich Points <rich(a)richpoints.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Cc: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <4874E065.1080300(a)richpoints.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Make them members, expand your capacity. > > R > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > -- > Rich Points > Community Cycles Director > http://CommunityCycles.org > Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org > 720-565-6019 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 09:59:33 -0600 > From: Rich Points <rich(a)richpoints.com> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Cc: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Message-ID: <4874E065.1080300(a)richpoints.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Make them members, expand your capacity. > > R > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > -- > Rich Points > Community Cycles Director > http://CommunityCycles.org > Rich(a)CommunityCycles.org > 720-565-6019 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 09 Jul 2008 11:08:45 -0500 > From: Wilbur Ince <Wilbur(a)Wilbur.us> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Non-collective Members opening the shop. > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> > Message-ID: <4874E28D.9060401(a)Wilbur.us> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"; Format="flowed" > > There's something there for you and something there for them, so find > the middle ground. As Rich said, you have a chance at new collective > members. If you have nights available, by all means, give them a > night. They are interested in the shop time, so I bet you can get them > to meet your conditions - like keeping shop clean - greeting people who > stop by - opening their sessions to drop-ins, etc. Could be a great > win-win. > > Wilbur Ince > Sibley Bike Depot > Saint Paul, MN > > > > plan_9(a)riseup.net wrote: > > We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, > > hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day > > when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and > > modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and > > autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that > > are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already > > open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside > > of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. > > Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop > > available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We > > have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, > > etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do > > any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure > > that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random > > folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective > > member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? > > Thanks, > > Andrew > > FM Community Bicycle Workshop > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > >

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Non-collective Members opening the shop.
by plan_9＠riseup.net 09 Jul '08

09 Jul '08

We have recently been approached by, for no better descriptor, hipsters, asking if they could have a "fixed gear/SS" day on a day when we are not open. They are interested in doing tune-ups and modifications on their own bikes and are somewhat competent and autonomous mechanics. We don't really have any collective members that are willing or able to staff another shift beyond what we are already open. We know some of these folks pretty well on a personal, outside of the shop level, but not too many have been active volunteers. Basically we trust some of them and would like to make the shop available to them but am not sure as to how to do it equitably. We have opened the shop to special groups before (at-risk youth groups, etc) but always staffed by a willing and able collective member. Do any shops make exceptions for folks like this? How do you make sure that things are getting paid for, tools being used properly, random folks stopping by being respected, etc. without having a collective member in the place? Any problems from shops that have done this? Thanks, Andrew FM Community Bicycle Workshop

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bike thieves in the shop?
by veganboyjosh＠gmail.com 07 Jul '08

07 Jul '08

I'd like to throw something out to the group for your opinions. Do any of you have a specific policy about what to do when a known bike thief comes in the shop? Do you turn him/her away? Last year, we had an incident with a youth EAB'er, who was caught taking bikes. He's since been implicated but not charged or confirmed as being involved in another bike theft, altho that one is not related to our shop, other than we're friends with the victim, and used some of our resources with a local low-income neighborhood to track down the location of this latest theft, leading to the recovery of said stolen bikes. Since this last incident, the individual was spotted in our shop by a staff member who was around during last year's debacle. Someone swiftly took him aside, and told him that he needs to leave, that he's not welcome in our shop. I'm not sure how i personally feel about this. I mean, bike thieves are pretty low, and as such I don't want to encourage them...teaching them wrenching skills that they will potentially use on stolen bikes makes my stomach turn... Being the community shop that we are, i'm wondering if we can't use our position to turn some of these kids around. By bringing him in and welcoming him, do we not stand a chance of befriending him and breaking down the barrier between us, so that he comes to value our bikes (shop's and staff's, and by extension, the general public) by being exposed to what bikes mean to the people in our shop. in theory, come to see the shop as a resource for knowledge, skills, and cheap parts that takes some investment on his part, instead of just a pool of resources for him to pilfer on a whim. I'm interested in the groups thoughts, policies, experiences. I also know that bike theft is something that hits close to home for a lot (or all) of us on this list, and would ask that we keep this discussion on the topic of "to welcome or not in the shop", and not get too distracted with how painfully bike thieves should be tortured. Thanks.

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