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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 169, Issue 4
by Tegan Moss [B!KE] 13 Oct '20

13 Oct '20

We do not use waivers--our insurance company does not pressure us to because they do not stand up in court. Personally, I also feel they are quite problematic because they make people believe they do not have rights when they actually do. It is the legal equivalent of gas lighting. Here in Canada we are a lot less litigious than folks in the US so I think its also seen as less of an issue. We do have Directors and Officers insurance. Its pretty affordable for the protections it offers. Our insurance for liability and D&O is around $2,500 annually. On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 4:03 PM < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services (Ron G) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ron G <pedalmore(a)gmail.com> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:49:48 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair > Services > Howdy-- > > (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I'll gladly take corrections from any > sharper legal minds. Kevin Dwyer?) > > We are a DIY shop, and we have insurance. Our insurance does cover > repairs, which is appropriate since our DIY comes with assistance, which > often looks like doing repairs. I think insurance is important for any > organization offering to help with bikes. One loose quick release could > lead to big expenses. > > It's tempting to believe that since our organizations tend to have limited > assets we're immune to lawsuits, that there's just nothing there to sue > for. The problem is lawsuits will find other targets, like staff or > volunteers with money or property. If they're lucky they'll be covered by > homeowner's or other insurance, but not necessarily. So you could be > opening your staff, board, or volunteers to liability. > > We'd also like to think that our friends and guests aren't the suing > types. But people don't sue because they're jerks (okay, some do), but > because they're desperate. They sue because our health care system sucks, > and they'll be bankrupted by bills, > > And it's not hard to demonstrate in court that we are trusted resources > who should know better than allow someone to install their own front wheel > without making sure they understand how to use that quick release, the part > responsible for more lawsuits than any other component. > > On this topic, I'm wondering a couple of things. We have a ponderous > waiver for people to fill out, and I'd like to trim it down. > > Do most community shops use waivers, and is there any template? > > And, maybe more to the point, have any of you ever been sued, and, if so, > did a waiver help at all? > > Happy Trails, > Ron Georg > Shop Czar > Corvallis Bicycle Collective > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > -- Executive Director B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 293 George St, Peterborough ON (705) 775-7227 communitybikeshop.org she/her

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 169, Issue 5
by Adam / Phoenix Mitchell 12 Oct '20

12 Oct '20

Two questions for y'all along the insurance thread: How did you determine that your insurance *does* indeed cover DIY repairs? Seems like a lot of legalese in our General Liability Insurance that is pretty incomprehensible. Also, for those with a Board, do you have Directors & Officers Insurance? I'd be interested to see more waivers... Cheers! Phoenix Freeride Montpelier On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 12:22 AM < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Insurance and Waivers (Nicole Muratore) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Nicole Muratore <nicole(a)bikesaviours.org> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 12:42:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance and Waivers > When our shop suspended DIY repair to patrons as a result of the > lockdowns, I checked to see that our insurance covered not only DIY repairs > but also staff-made repairs and it does. Our liability has never been > challenged, though I wouldn't mind paring down our waiver, too. I've > attached ours and am interested in seeing others. > > Cheers, > *Nicole Muratore, Shop Manager* > Bike Saviours Bicycle Collective > (602) 429-9369 | bikesaviours.org | @bikesaviours > > > On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:03 PM < > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > >> Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to >> thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services (Ron G) >> >> >> >> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >> From: Ron G <pedalmore(a)gmail.com> >> To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> Cc: >> Bcc: >> Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:49:48 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair >> Services >> Howdy-- >> >> (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I'll gladly take corrections from any >> sharper legal minds. Kevin Dwyer?) >> >> We are a DIY shop, and we have insurance. Our insurance does cover >> repairs, which is appropriate since our DIY comes with assistance, which >> often looks like doing repairs. I think insurance is important for any >> organization offering to help with bikes. One loose quick release could >> lead to big expenses. >> >> It's tempting to believe that since our organizations tend to have >> limited assets we're immune to lawsuits, that there's just nothing there to >> sue for. The problem is lawsuits will find other targets, like staff or >> volunteers with money or property. If they're lucky they'll be covered by >> homeowner's or other insurance, but not necessarily. So you could be >> opening your staff, board, or volunteers to liability. >> >> We'd also like to think that our friends and guests aren't the suing >> types. But people don't sue because they're jerks (okay, some do), but >> because they're desperate. They sue because our health care system sucks, >> and they'll be bankrupted by bills, >> >> And it's not hard to demonstrate in court that we are trusted resources >> who should know better than allow someone to install their own front wheel >> without making sure they understand how to use that quick release, the part >> responsible for more lawsuits than any other component. >> >> On this topic, I'm wondering a couple of things. We have a ponderous >> waiver for people to fill out, and I'd like to trim it down. >> >> Do most community shops use waivers, and is there any template? >> >> And, maybe more to the point, have any of you ever been sued, and, if so, >> did a waiver help at all? >> >> Happy Trails, >> Ron Georg >> Shop Czar >> Corvallis Bicycle Collective >> _______________________________________________ >> Thethinktank mailing list >> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >> > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance and Waivers
by Nicole Muratore 11 Oct '20

11 Oct '20

When our shop suspended DIY repair to patrons as a result of the lockdowns, I checked to see that our insurance covered not only DIY repairs but also staff-made repairs and it does. Our liability has never been challenged, though I wouldn't mind paring down our waiver, too. I've attached ours and am interested in seeing others. Cheers, *Nicole Muratore, Shop Manager* Bike Saviours Bicycle Collective (602) 429-9369 | bikesaviours.org | @bikesaviours On Sat, Oct 10, 2020 at 1:03 PM < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services (Ron G) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ron G <pedalmore(a)gmail.com> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2020 14:49:48 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair > Services > Howdy-- > > (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I'll gladly take corrections from any > sharper legal minds. Kevin Dwyer?) > > We are a DIY shop, and we have insurance. Our insurance does cover > repairs, which is appropriate since our DIY comes with assistance, which > often looks like doing repairs. I think insurance is important for any > organization offering to help with bikes. One loose quick release could > lead to big expenses. > > It's tempting to believe that since our organizations tend to have limited > assets we're immune to lawsuits, that there's just nothing there to sue > for. The problem is lawsuits will find other targets, like staff or > volunteers with money or property. If they're lucky they'll be covered by > homeowner's or other insurance, but not necessarily. So you could be > opening your staff, board, or volunteers to liability. > > We'd also like to think that our friends and guests aren't the suing > types. But people don't sue because they're jerks (okay, some do), but > because they're desperate. They sue because our health care system sucks, > and they'll be bankrupted by bills, > > And it's not hard to demonstrate in court that we are trusted resources > who should know better than allow someone to install their own front wheel > without making sure they understand how to use that quick release, the part > responsible for more lawsuits than any other component. > > On this topic, I'm wondering a couple of things. We have a ponderous > waiver for people to fill out, and I'd like to trim it down. > > Do most community shops use waivers, and is there any template? > > And, maybe more to the point, have any of you ever been sued, and, if so, > did a waiver help at all? > > Happy Trails, > Ron Georg > Shop Czar > Corvallis Bicycle Collective > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services
by Ron G 09 Oct '20

09 Oct '20

Howdy-- (Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer. I'll gladly take corrections from any sharper legal minds. Kevin Dwyer?) We are a DIY shop, and we have insurance. Our insurance does cover repairs, which is appropriate since our DIY comes with assistance, which often looks like doing repairs. I think insurance is important for any organization offering to help with bikes. One loose quick release could lead to big expenses. It's tempting to believe that since our organizations tend to have limited assets we're immune to lawsuits, that there's just nothing there to sue for. The problem is lawsuits will find other targets, like staff or volunteers with money or property. If they're lucky they'll be covered by homeowner's or other insurance, but not necessarily. So you could be opening your staff, board, or volunteers to liability. We'd also like to think that our friends and guests aren't the suing types. But people don't sue because they're jerks (okay, some do), but because they're desperate. They sue because our health care system sucks, and they'll be bankrupted by bills, And it's not hard to demonstrate in court that we are trusted resources who should know better than allow someone to install their own front wheel without making sure they understand how to use that quick release, the part responsible for more lawsuits than any other component. On this topic, I'm wondering a couple of things. We have a ponderous waiver for people to fill out, and I'd like to trim it down. Do most community shops use waivers, and is there any template? And, maybe more to the point, have any of you ever been sued, and, if so, did a waiver help at all? Happy Trails, Ron Georg Shop Czar Corvallis Bicycle Collective

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 169, Issue 2
by Lawrence Mohammed 08 Oct '20

08 Oct '20

Hi Aaron, not sure what it's like Stateside, but in the UK, I'm pretty sure insurance is essential even if just recommending repairs and alterations to people working on their own bikes, not just providing these yourselves. There are ways to get around insurance but it's usually frowned upon from what I gather. Whilst many insurers here can offer coverage, a few (such as Butterworth Spengler) specialise in cycling and can thus provide comprehensive quotes, are familiar with risks and if anything does go wrong, they're probably better placed to support. We offer popup-servicing to local corporate clients as well as training and servicing in our workshop within a gift economy (essentially on a 'pay what you can' basis) and we need a minimum of £5Million Public Liability and Products insurance for this. I hand built our premises, turning a shipping container into a solar powered, insulated timber framed workshop and due to this, I think we pay a bit more (it's pretty odd and anything odd = uncertainty = risk = ££ / $$ it seems). Also, because it's in a high risk area. We have very comprehensive Risk Assessments, Method Statements and loads of policies - but this doesn't seem to have dropped out insurance premium...useful though ;) Not sure whether this info is helpful but do message me if I can be of assistance. Happy to share anything that may be useful and wishing you and the collective all the very best in these challenging times! In service, *Lawrence Mohammed* CEO and Founder Pro Bike Service C.I.C. *+44 (0)77 222 58587* *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>* /::Olympic Park Site:: Pro Bike Service C.I.C. Multi-Storey Car Park, Lesney Avenue Queen Elizabeth Olympic Park London E20 3BS *map location <https://what3words.com/upset.habit.funds>* / On 08/10/2020 21:03, thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services (Aaron Shaw) > 2. Re: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 165, Issue 5 > (Adam / Phoenix Mitchell) > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.…

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Insurance for Collectives Offering Repair Services
by Aaron Shaw 08 Oct '20

08 Oct '20

Hey Bike-tankers, Many collectives seem to be offering repair services during Covid-times to help keep the lights on. Some non-profit shops have been offering repair services <https://freewheelbikes.org/service-and-repair/> for a while. There has been some mention of repair liability insurance and I would like to know more. Our shop is considering offering repair services, and I am wondering...Is it a good idea? Do we need insurance? Where can we find insurance? How much does it cost? Those types of things... Thanks in advance! Aaron

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 165, Issue 5
by Adam / Phoenix Mitchell 08 Oct '20

08 Oct '20

Hey all, I've got a question about the hanging of bikes on the rail. Did you use box rail hangers or some other unique setup? All I can see are big washers and a hook. Thanks! Freeride Montpelier On Mon, Jun 8, 2020 at 4:11 PM < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Bike Storage Optimization (Wade Rubinstein) > 2. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (Daniel Byrd) > 3. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (Wade Rubinstein) > 4. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (BikeConcord) > 5. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (Cyclista Nicholas) > 6. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (BikeConcord) > 7. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (BikeConcord) > 8. Re: Bike Storage Optimization (Peaches) > 9. thanks y'all (Angel York) > 10. Re: Online Collaborative Workshop on Safe & Effective Shop > Operations (Amanda Chilson) > 11. Is TheThinkTank searchable? (Thomas Butler) > 12. Is TheThinkTank searchable? (cyclista(a)inventati.org) > 13. Re: Is TheThinkTank searchable? (Godwin !) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 16:13:31 -0400 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike > collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained > access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to > help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the > capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. > I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. > > Any suggestions for how to organize this space? > [image: Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg] > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:17:20 -0600 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Hello! > > We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a way to > maximize space for very cheap. > Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike > Library. > I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking briefly > will probably help too > Very exciting! > > Daniel Byrd > Executive Director of Kids on Bikes > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > >> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike >> collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained >> access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to >> help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the >> capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. >> I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. >> >> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? >> [image: Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg] >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 16:48:40 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Daniel, > > This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. > Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to the > coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into > the container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you have > images of the inside layout? > > > > Wade > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a way >> to maximize space for very cheap. >> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike >> Library. >> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking briefly >> will probably help too >> Very exciting! >> >> Daniel Byrd >> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike >>> collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained >>> access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to >>> help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the >>> capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. >>> I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. >>> >>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? >>> [image: Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg] >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >>> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: BikeConcord <Smitty(a)bikeconcord.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 16:23:13 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > The key is good insulation. Which you can’t see in this photo. > > > On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > > > Daniel, > > This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. > Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to the > coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into > the container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you have > images of the inside layout? > > > > Wade > > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> wrote: > >> Hello! >> >> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a way >> to maximize space for very cheap. >> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike >> Library. >> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking briefly >> will probably help too >> Very exciting! >> >> Daniel Byrd >> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes >> >> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> >> wrote: >> >>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike >>> collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained >>> access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to >>> help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the >>> capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. >>> I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. >>> >>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? >>> <Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >>> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista(a)inventati.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 08 Jun 2020 02:33:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Here's some not-great images of the way we maximize storage for bikes. > Basically, vertically, using a hook on the wall for the front wheel. It > helps to have some kind of cradles for the wheels/tires to fit into, but > you don't have to. > > It's best to stagger them (as in the outdoor picture), one up, the next > down, the next up, and so on. The spacing is about 11" vertically > between the lower bike and the higher one, and 12" horizontally, bike to > bike. This spacing and staggering should give enough room for the > handlebars not to tangle too much and the cranks not to either. > > ~cyclista Nicholas > > > On 2020-06-07 23:23, BikeConcord wrote: > > The key is good insulation. Which you can’t see in this photo. > > > > > > > >> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> Daniel, > >> > >> This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. > >> Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to > >> the coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into > >> the container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you > >> have images of the inside layout? > >> > >> > >> > >> Wade > >> > >>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> > >>> wrote: > >>> Hello! > >>> > >>> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a > >>> way to maximize space for very cheap. > >>> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike > >>> Library. > >>> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking > >>> briefly will probably help too > >>> Very exciting! > >>> > >>> Daniel Byrd > >>> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes > >>> > >>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein > >>>> <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> wrote: > >>>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike > >>>> collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently > >>>> gained access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W > >>>> x 7.4' H) to help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want > >>>> to maximize the capacity of the container, while allowing for easy > >>>> access to the bikes. I'm sure others have solved this optimization > >>>> problem. > >>>> > >>>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? > >>>> <Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg> > >>>> > >>>> ____________________________________ > >>>> > >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>>> > >>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > >>>> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>>> > >>> ____________________________________ > >>> > >>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>> > >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > >>> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>> > >> ____________________________________ > >> > >> The ThinkTank mailing List > >> > >> Unsubscribe from this list here: > >> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >> > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: BikeConcord <Smitty(a)bikeconcord.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 22:19:51 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Here is how we hang them in our storage container. Remove pedals and turn > handle bars. > > > > > On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista(a)inventati.org> > wrote: > > > > Here's some not-great images of the way we maximize storage for bikes. > Basically, vertically, using a hook on the wall for the front wheel. It > helps to have some kind of cradles for the wheels/tires to fit into, but > you don't have to. > > > > It's best to stagger them (as in the outdoor picture), one up, the next > down, the next up, and so on. The spacing is about 11" vertically between > the lower bike and the higher one, and 12" horizontally, bike to bike. This > spacing and staggering should give enough room for the handlebars not to > tangle too much and the cranks not to either. > > > > ~cyclista Nicholas > > > > > >> On 2020-06-07 23:23, BikeConcord wrote: > >> The key is good insulation. Which you can’t see in this photo. > >>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Daniel, > >>> This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. > Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to the > coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into the > container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you have > images of the inside layout? > >>> Wade > >>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> > wrote: > >>>> Hello! > >>>> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a > way to maximize space for very cheap. > >>>> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike > Library. > >>>> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking > briefly will probably help too > >>>> Very exciting! > >>>> Daniel Byrd > >>>> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes > >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > >>>>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike > collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained > access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to > help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the > capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. > I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. > >>>>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? > >>>>> <Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg> > >>>>> ____________________________________ > >>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>>> ____________________________________ > >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>> ____________________________________ > >>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >> ____________________________________ > >> The ThinkTank mailing List > >> Unsubscribe from this list here: > >> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > <67747905_2654432187955317_2310442493985947648_o_2654432184621984.jpg> > > <350597931008_o_2277749708956902.png> > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: BikeConcord <Smitty(a)bikeconcord.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 22:27:21 -0700 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > Here is how we store bikes that are currently being worked on. If you > would like info on insulation, i can dig that up. > > > > On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista(a)inventati.org> > wrote: > > > > Here's some not-great images of the way we maximize storage for bikes. > Basically, vertically, using a hook on the wall for the front wheel. It > helps to have some kind of cradles for the wheels/tires to fit into, but > you don't have to. > > > > It's best to stagger them (as in the outdoor picture), one up, the next > down, the next up, and so on. The spacing is about 11" vertically between > the lower bike and the higher one, and 12" horizontally, bike to bike. This > spacing and staggering should give enough room for the handlebars not to > tangle too much and the cranks not to either. > > > > ~cyclista Nicholas > > > > > >> On 2020-06-07 23:23, BikeConcord wrote: > >> The key is good insulation. Which you can’t see in this photo. > >>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > >>> > >>> Daniel, > >>> This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. > Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to the > coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into the > container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you have > images of the inside layout? > >>> Wade > >>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> > wrote: > >>>> Hello! > >>>> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a > way to maximize space for very cheap. > >>>> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on bike > Library. > >>>> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking > briefly will probably help too > >>>> Very exciting! > >>>> Daniel Byrd > >>>> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes > >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> > wrote: > >>>>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike > collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained > access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to > help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the > capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. > I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. > >>>>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? > >>>>> <Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg> > >>>>> ____________________________________ > >>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>>> ____________________________________ > >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >>> ____________________________________ > >>> The ThinkTank mailing List > >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > >> ____________________________________ > >> The ThinkTank mailing List > >> Unsubscribe from this list here: > >> > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > <67747905_2654432187955317_2310442493985947648_o_2654432184621984.jpg> > > <350597931008_o_2277749708956902.png> > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Peaches <steve(a)compersia.community> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 08:27:21 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Bike Storage Optimization > I built a hybrid storage/workshop one out on the cheap for my community. > Sold it for more than we paid! > > https://photos.app.goo.gl/z5QGiQY1Mqq4Yx448 > > That's electrical conduit as the rack "rail". Major issue - only half the > population has the upper body strength to lift their bicycle and hang it > daily. Bikes on the left all the way down and a walking area on the right > worked out for some. > > Steve > > > > > On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 1:28 AM BikeConcord <Smitty(a)bikeconcord.org> wrote: > >> Here is how we store bikes that are currently being worked on. If you >> would like info on insulation, i can dig that up. >> >> >> > On Jun 7, 2020, at 7:34 PM, Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista(a)inventati.org> >> wrote: >> > >> > Here's some not-great images of the way we maximize storage for bikes. >> Basically, vertically, using a hook on the wall for the front wheel. It >> helps to have some kind of cradles for the wheels/tires to fit into, but >> you don't have to. >> > >> > It's best to stagger them (as in the outdoor picture), one up, the next >> down, the next up, and so on. The spacing is about 11" vertically between >> the lower bike and the higher one, and 12" horizontally, bike to bike. This >> spacing and staggering should give enough room for the handlebars not to >> tangle too much and the cranks not to either. >> > >> > ~cyclista Nicholas >> > >> > >> >> On 2020-06-07 23:23, BikeConcord wrote: >> >> The key is good insulation. Which you can’t see in this photo. >> >>>> On Jun 7, 2020, at 1:49 PM, Wade Rubinstein <wade(a)bikeconnector.org> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Daniel, >> >>> This is amazing! What a great service you provide to the community. >> Currently, our workshop is located in a school, which is closed due to the >> coronavirus. My hope was to move the workshop and storage into the >> container. I played the video. It was a nice overview. Do you have >> images of the inside layout? >> >>> Wade >> >>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 4:17 PM Daniel Byrd <daniel(a)kidsonbikes.net> >> wrote: >> >>>> Hello! >> >>>> We have 14 of these containers for our programs and we have found a >> way to maximize space for very cheap. >> >>>> Www.kidsonbikes.net and go to "what we do" tab, then a video on >> bike Library. >> >>>> I can send you photos of exactly how to set stuff up too- talking >> briefly will probably help too >> >>>> Very exciting! >> >>>> Daniel Byrd >> >>>> Executive Director of Kids on Bikes >> >>>>> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 2:13 PM Wade Rubinstein < >> wade(a)bikeconnector.org> wrote: >> >>>>> Hi. I am a member of The Bike Connector, an earn-a-bike and bike >> collective program in Lowell, Massachusetts, USA. We recently gained >> access to container (12m L x 2.3m W x 2.26m H; 40' L x 7.6' W x 7.4' H) to >> help manage our inventory of bikes and parts. I want to maximize the >> capacity of the container, while allowing for easy access to the bikes. >> I'm sure others have solved this optimization problem. >> >>>>> Any suggestions for how to organize this space? >> >>>>> <Bike Connector Dumpster Day Empty Container Almost 6-4-20.jpg> >> >>>>> ____________________________________ >> >>>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >>>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >>>> ____________________________________ >> >>>> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >>>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >>> ____________________________________ >> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> >> >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> > <67747905_2654432187955317_2310442493985947648_o_2654432184621984.jpg> >> > <350597931008_o_2277749708956902.png> >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > >> > Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> > >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Angel York <aniola(a)gmail.com> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 09:07:02 -0700 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] thanks y'all > I'm guessing some of you had something to do with this: > > https://www.bicycleretailer.com/industry-news/2020/06/07/bikes-front-lines > > <3 > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Amanda Chilson <achilson(a)nbccoalition.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 13:02:45 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Online Collaborative Workshop on Safe & > Effective Shop Operations > Hi Robert, > Thank you for organizing this. I would love to attend. > > > Amanda Chilson > Health and Wellness Coordinator > Northern Berkshire Community Coalition > 61 Main St. Suite 218 > North Adams, MA 01247 > 413-663-7588 Ext. 16 > www.nbccoalition.org > > > > > > > > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 5:44 PM Robert Grossman <rgrossman7(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> I wanted to invite the bike collective community to a collaborative >> online workshop to make a bit more sense of operating safely & effectively >> both in the short and long terms, volunteer management, and shop's capacity >> for providing services. >> >> Day: Friday June 12 >> Time: 3pm Central Time >> >> This will be a three-part structured workshop where participants will be >> paired up with each other and begin to chart the trends they are seeing. We >> will then look at these as a group. The second part will be working >> together in small groups to sort out what services you feel are critical to >> address, the activities to make them happen, and what the cultural aspects >> for each will be. The final part will be individual or by shop, by focusing >> on who it is you are serving, what you are offering them, the opportunities >> there, and the risks involved. >> >> I realize that some shops have already figured this stuff out, but I know >> there are several that are still struggling with it. This is to help them. >> It would be great to have participants who can share how they have worked >> things out. >> >> It is a 45 minute long workshop. We will be using Zoom for meeting >> together and Freehand by Invision to collaborate. I built this workshop in >> grad school and this is the first time doing it digitally. I plan to record >> it so I can see what works and what doesn't. Please go easy me :p >> >> >> Email me directly if you are interested and I will send you the invites. >> >> >> -- >> Robert Grossman >> www.robertgrossmandesign.com >> https://twitter.com/rgrossmandesign >> https://www.linkedin.com/in/robertgrossman7 >> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/rgrossman7> >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/robkeebler/albums >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Thomas Butler <thomas.unavailable(a)gmail.com> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:32:04 -0500 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Is TheThinkTank searchable? > I'm used to being able to search email listservs' archives, but it seems > like I can't and I'm relegated to asking a question that may have been > previously answered? > > Thomas Butler > he | they > Austin's Yellow Bike Project > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "cyclista(a)inventati.org" <cyclista(a)inventati.org> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 19:50:39 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Is TheThinkTank searchable? > Yes, it is. But I can't remember the location. You'll just need to search > for "thinktank" "archives" online. > > It really should be posted wherever the signup page is. > > ~cyclista Nicholas > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Godwin !" <goodgodwin(a)hotmail.com> > To: "thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org" < > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 19:53:20 +0000 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Is TheThinkTank searchable? > You can find a link on the bikecollectives.org site, near the bottom, it > says "View the archives", here's the link: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org/. > From there you will be able to search. > > godwin > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> on > behalf of cyclista(a)inventati.org <cyclista(a)inventati.org> > *Sent:* June 8, 2020 12:50 PM > *To:* thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org < > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > *Subject:* [TheThinkTank] Is TheThinkTank searchable? > > Yes, it is. But I can't remember the location. You'll just need to search > for "thinktank" "archives" online. > > It really should be posted wherever the signup page is. > > ~cyclista Nicholas > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Starting a bike coop in the Philippines
by John Klock 04 Oct '20

04 Oct '20

I would like to get a bike coop started in the Philippines. I wanted to inquire about tools cost to start and then ask about what might be some initial problems getting this going. Lastly, I wanted to combine this with bicycle advocacy. Thanks, John [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-anima…]<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…> Virus-free. www.avast.com<https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campai…>

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Response to Dennis re Earn-a-Bike
by Mildred Locke 22 Sep '20

22 Sep '20

Hi Dennis, We run an Earn-a-Bike programme at the Bristol Bike Project so I might be able to help out. What exactly do you need and what is it for? Are you looking to set one up? I could forward our annual impact report if it's helpful. We manage to run our programme without funding because we use donated bikes and secondhand parts, volunteer time, and charge £20 at the end for a lock and lights, which covers our costs. Of course if you wanted to do the whole thing for free then you would need some funding but we don't have any funding docs that would be useful. Let me know if you'd like to discuss more. Here's the link to our 2019 impact report: https://thebristolbikeproject.org/2020/05/07/proudly-presenting-our-latest-… All the best, Mildred 21 Sep 2020 21:04:06 thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Build a bike program design? (Dennis Wollersheim) > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Build a bike program design?
by Dennis Wollersheim 20 Sep '20

20 Sep '20

Hi All Does anyone have any grant application docs / program reports / documentation from their build-a-bike programs? We have some post-covid grants coming out trying to promote physical activity and social engagement among young people, it seems like build-a-bike would fit the bill. Thanks Dennis Secretary, The Bike Shed Melbourne Australia -- -- ------------------------------------------- Dennis Wollersheim -------------------------------------------

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