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Your opinion please....
by Ellen Willis-Conger 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition has 3 different sites/shops. We are going to upgrade our POS system to work better with our Quickbooks online in order to make life easier and more accurate for all! Do you have experience with how the following POS systems interface with Quickbooks? Please share your opinion and experience with support !! 1) Primaseller 2) Shopkeep 3) Lightspeed Thank you!! Ellen -- Ellen Willis-Conger *Associate Director* Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition p: 805.845.8955 w: sbbike.org e: ellen(a)sbbike.org <https://www.facebook.com/sbbikes/> <https://www.instagram.com/sbbike.s/>

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 149, Issue 4
by Robert Rands 05 Feb '19

05 Feb '19

Saying a chain has "stretched" is a colloquialism meaning it is worn out as that is how one measures its state of use. ~Robert . -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 2/5/19, <thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 149, Issue 4 To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Date: Tuesday, February 5, 2019, 4:04 PM Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 2. Re: Do I have this wrong? (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 3. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 4. Free knowledge (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 5. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Jim Bledsoe) 6. Socratic Moment (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 7. Both Body and bike benefit (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 8. Trump and Science (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 9. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Katie Vogel) 10. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Godwin !) 11. Re: Both Body and bike benefit (Ainsley Naylor) 12. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Lauren Warbeck) 13. Re: Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (Caleb Evenson) 14. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Kevin Dwyer) 15. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Anibal Davila) 16. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Judith Feist) 17. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Jeffery Getten) 18. Re: Do I have this wrong? (Josh Bisker) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:16:22 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: <20190204141622.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.116eeff094.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" So, in the question of wheel truing, I am wondering why you don't allow for rims becoming deformed. As a learned mechanic you know of the procedures Barnett has for unbending a rim, or you know how to replace a rim or even sell a customer an undamaged wheel to replace the damaged one. Unless you promote that a damage wheel will be just as safe for the cyclist to use as one that is not damaged. As a mechanic: when you sign off that the work is compleated your actions say that the bike is up to standards and safe.A court of law does not recognize ( as safe as it can be) as a legal defination. On your own bike you can work on a bent wheel, On a customers bike, you take on a world of liability if you do not complete a repair to the safest standard, The action of presenting damaged product as safe can harm both you and your business, Your presentation implies that rims maintain perfection except in cases where spoke tension temporarily interferes. In other words, it's obvious that while some spokes may become loose through repetitive stress, since the web of spokes share a single load, others will become tighter as the rim deforms. Since little can be done in the average shop to re-perfect the bare rim once deformed, the tighter spokes must maintain some amount of increased tension to keep this now-deformed rim true. I'm not going to present any test that I've developed to "prove" this process, I'm actually posting this response because I find it kind of offensive that you keep posting here essentially as a salesperson. When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Do you ever tighten a bolt too tightly or without enough clamping force because you do not measure torque? If a bolt broke or slipped would you be liable? Do you like feeling grind in your hubs or see that your cones are pitted in bikes with quick release levers but seldom see cone damaged in bolt on hubs? Do your daily commuter customers complain that there brakes are rubbing and your truing work only lasts for part of a season and not years? Do cyclist ever complain about a click in the pedal area? Are these the bizarrely out of scope ideas you speak of? Your posts smell like bait. They are bait, Designed to get you to think. If you can not come up with an answer then as a group you can either come up with tests or 100% beliefs. The beliefs are dark ages showing its head in 2019. No one is lifted up in knowledge base or skill with belief. My knowledge is for sale, only because it has value, I also see that your community based bicycle organizations have value. You work hard and do great things, I have worked hard and I make great materials. Your moneys are tight and I am willing to greatly discount my work to help make your programs more profitable, improve quality, reduce liability, and more. Nicholas, if you see me as having no value to this group, ban me! If you think I work for free, Bite me! I want to lift up organizations that are open to improving the experience of cyclist and their businesses. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. Ok I am a bot, you caught me cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:24:53 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: <20190204142453.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.c9f0c2d38e.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I only have knowledge --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free? When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -- Kevin Dwyer Salt Lake City, UT 801.647.0797 IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) 647-0797, and return the original message to me at the above address via email. Thank you. ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 14:40:51 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: <20190204144051.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.0871adb936.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It is funny you mention my friend Sheldon, I was talking with him on the phone about some of these subjects 6 days before he died. He was sick for a long time, but he did not know he was going to die that soon. He loved his opinions on all types of bike subjects, and was surprized by the science and six sigma continuous improvement process that was happening in bike education. --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? From: "Jean-François Caron" <jfcaron3(a)gmail.com> Date: 2/4/19 7:37 am To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> It reminded me of ShelBroCo April Fool's pages. e.g.: https://www.sheldonbrown.com/power-wheel.html Jean-François On Feb 4, 2019, at 06:13 , Dennis Wollersheim <dewoller(a)gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for that Nicholas. Christopher's original post disturbed me, but as I am a relative newbie, I did not want to call him out. You did the right thing, in a very respectful fashion. Warmly Dennis On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 7:32 PM Cyclista Nicholas <cyclista(a)inventati.org> wrote: So, in the question of wheel truing, I am wondering why you don't allow for rims becoming deformed. Your presentation implies that rims maintain perfection except in cases where spoke tension temporarily interferes. In other words, it's obvious that while some spokes may become loose through repetitive stress, since the web of spokes share a single load, others will become tighter as the rim deforms. Since little can be done in the average shop to re-perfect the bare rim once deformed, the tighter spokes must maintain some amount of increased tension to keep this now-deformed rim true. I'm not going to present any test that I've developed to "prove" this process, I'm actually posting this response because I find it kind of offensive that you keep posting here essentially as a salesperson. When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -- -- ------------------------------------------- Dennis Wollersheim ------------------------------------------- ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 16:17:00 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] Free knowledge Message-ID: <20190204161700.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.cfeaa07637.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" All the points you raise have answers in mechanical engineering and bicycle mechanics. To pick one: the compression of a closed quick release does change the adjustment of hub bearings, easily demonstrated. Various techniques exist to correct the hub bearings adjustment for this. Barnett publishes a technique, a bit fussy, but it works. The technique he demonstrated to me was flawed. I show him the flaw in logic and he dismissed it. He put pressure on the end of an axle on one side of a hub and pressure on the lock nut on the other side of the hub. There is never any pressure on the end of a skewered axle. The clamping force is only on the lock nuts against the dropout surfaces. His test had two variables instead of one. Does the axle compress under quick release loads or do the threads flex. One test will not answer two variables. Two test are needed to test two variables. Yet only one test is valid. Since a QR can never press against the end of an axle and still have clamping force on a lock nut against the dropout, pressing against the end of the axle test is inva lid. John' s testing wanted to find a specific amount that a hub could be adjusted from the standard bench adjustment to the on the bike correction for quick release forces. He came to realize that the variables in axle materials and quick release materials and construction were to great for a unified answer. I solved for his issues and his beliefs dismissed my solution. I demonstrated a perfect adjustment for the added load of a quick release in less than 30 seconds. Once I did six adjustment in 10 seconds. My special tools cost $6 from a frame builder. Special tools do exist, but unnecessary. Most mechanics learn in school or from someone like me, People are asking me for free instruction, is your knowledge free? if not why are you advertising here also? and most develop their preferred method. Chains don't stretch. At 2000 pound of force chains do stretch, True: on a bike they only wear. Cables do. At 550 pounds of force derailleur cables stretch, but the plastic shift lever mount will fail at 200 pounds of force, at 800 pounds of force brake cables stretch. sadly a rim side wall brake surface will start to fail at 160 pounds of force. Numbers don't lie and are verifiable. (Very different structures.) Spokes remain elastic. Spoke elbows deform from the original 90 degrees to the best pull angle, effectively making spokes longer once. On aluminum hubs the elbow indents the hub flange hole making the spoke effectively longer once. Neither of these changes the elastic properties of the spoke, but they do make the spoke effectively longer once and drop the tension of the wheel, allowing for greater tension ranges in spokes, creating early fatigue and spoke failure. Also reducing the efficiency of the wheel to accelerate as looser spokes need to be tensioned by the force from the chain before they move the cyclist forward, and the wheel has more side to side movement with looser spokes making control and braking less than optimal. May I suggest that these complete thoughts are not currently put together cohesively by engineering books which I have intensely studied, or bicycle best practices knowledge bases. or by you. May I suggest familiarizing yourself with current best practice (rather than the noise that gets written on the web). I suggest Sharp for the basic mechanical engineering My experiments with the wheel in both practice and with finite element analysis and computational fluid dynamic program ANAYS. have shown insight intto the wheel and how to do wheel work 20 faster for better result. and Barnett for current mechanic best practice. As a BBI certified master tech, I can point out many flaws to Barnett's best practices. From making mechanics less profitable with slow procedures that are not valid in their testing. To just plain bad science understanding. Get back to me if you have questions after having thoroughly understood those. I am back, Now are you ready to learn? or do you have any ideas of your own that are brilliant. I am all ears On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:24 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Hi David, What are you trying to build? I am not trying to builds I am trying to understand what has been built to improve efficiency of mechanics by up to 40 times current speed. Helping mechanics earn a living wage. Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. Do you know this as fact or a belief that you hold strongly? And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. In the 1880's to 1890's there was amazing engineering, some material sciences in the 1980's improved friction, ending of the cold war brought advanced materials in the 80's and 90's Sadly as a student of the root causes of problems I have found the engineering in most bicycle systems is lost and strong held beliefs are the replacement. A couple of examples: A chain has a pull strength of 2000 pounds before it stretches, If you wish to stretch a chain put a car on your back and stand on one pedal. What is the root of chain lengthening, What is the relationship between side to side flex of a chain and shifting quality? Do all new chains that measure the same length have the same side flex? Is there a relationship between chain length and flex. A spoke is made of a magical metal that stretches once and then becomes a harder metal and never stretches again. A spoke can be tightened until it will pull the nipple through the rim because the rim is not as strong as pull force that can be applied by the spoke. So how do rims stretch spokes to become looser in tension during the first 30 days of riding? Derailleur cables are anchored by a threaded fastener on one end and on the other end sits in a plastic seat in the shift lever. The derailleur cable has a pull strength of 500 pounds of pull before it will stretch, the plastic seat will fail before the cable will. How do cables stretch one time then never stretch again when pulled by a weaker plastic component? Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? How do you isolate and test your theory? How do you adjust the hub precisely for a combination of a specific axle (mild steel, hardened steel, Titanium, Aluminum, ) and a specific Quick Release material (Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, with or with out plastic components )? How do you precisely adjust a hub for QR forces in less than 20 seconds? If engineering has been done, then it should be easy to answer all these question by looking in books, or on line, or from schools. Which acts like a fluid on the bicycle? hydraulic brake fluid? a wheel rim? or a chain? A little hint, Brake fluid when contain in a system acts as a solid to transfer forces. Brake fluid outside of a system acts like a fluid. If you would like to communicate on how CFD with FEA can change the world of cycling I would love to talk, If you believe engineers created cables that stretch once, spokes that stretch once, chains that stretch with human load of less than 2000 pounds, well I will not change your strong belief system. Christopher Wallace 773 490 0683 Good morning, Sorry, no. I once did some programming for FEA and CNC but ages ago, and my IT friends wrangle server farms, databases, and state IT departments. Take a look at Monster. Also post a query on one of the CMU boards or Pitt Craigslist. What are you trying to build? Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. David On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 11:14 AM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Do you know anyone that is fluent in Ansys? CFD FEA? or know where I could look for a person in the field? Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 773 490 0683 Oak Park, IL. 60304 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM From: David Zundel <davidzundel(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, October 15, 2016 6:38 pm To: Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org>, The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> CiviCRM goes on a server (vps recommended and affordable) then accessed by a web page, fairly easy. Or you buy Civi hosting, but that defeats some of the purpose of using Civi. Civi has considerable power and ability, can connect with ERP, etc but not for IT novice. Easy to install, configure, and maintain if you have experience and comfort with Linux servers, if not, not. You can certainly hire the Linux talent in SLC, but dependence on outside IT service has inconveniences. Email me directly if you want to get into details on Civi. David http://openwest.us On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 8:20 PM Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: What staff resources does it require? On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 7:19 PM jack <jack(a)bikewalkwichita.org> wrote: We use Salesforce / Wordpress / Mailchimp and have been pleased with what all we can do, for free. -------- Original message -------- From: David Zundel Date:10/15/2016 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00) To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM CiviCRM recommended David On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a different software package? -Jonathan ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List <a href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe from this list</a> ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List <a href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe from this list</a> ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 15:57:21 -0800 From: Jim Bledsoe <gamesbledsoe(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: <CABSiP0NgM8vHT6Zy+7OE4hQS+c+s9Djywh97353FHFn22zPOXw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work > has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no > value and should be given away for free? > > > When > someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that > constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. > > If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone > to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike > shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get > interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite > frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope > with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. > > I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this > particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely > unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. > > cyclista Nicholas > > > > On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > > your answers. > > > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > > answer? > > > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > > knees? How do you verify your answer? > > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > > answer? > > > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > > efficiently? > > > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > > systems) and make cycling safer. > > > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > > in Chicago Illinois. > > > > PS > > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Sincerely > > Christopher O, Wallace > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:13:35 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Socratic Moment Message-ID: <20190204171335.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.5af1a39169.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I did mean facing the Bottom Bracket shell or the Stem, Head Tube, and Fork Crown race. Does it make you faster? or Lighter? Tighter tolerances? Wear things less? Make adjustments better? Make adjustments stay longer? Make things last longer? Make things parallel? Make things lock more securely? Why do professional racers do it, but year round cyclist don't? What is the benefit of having it done? Just because you have a tool, or know of a procedure, do you know why it is a benefit to the cyclist? Any procedure, part or accessory to a bike, Socratic Moment: WHY is service or product of value to the customer? If you do not know, then it is very hard to sell the service or the product. Many tools and serviced go unused because of our abilities to communicate their value to the customer. --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe(a)gmail.com> Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free? When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 17:24:27 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and bike benefit Message-ID: <20190204172427.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.6d2a7ff7a2.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Pacing in a group is a nice community experience. Maintaining a high Cadence is healthy for your body and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the same velocity increases heart rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication to the joints, reduces the pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the connective tissue, reducing wear on the disks and allowing connective tissue to grow in strength at a similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high cadence reduces the load in the drive train, and places the load in bigger cogs transferring the load across a greater surface area and across more teeth reducing wear. Benefiting both your body health and your wallet in reduced repair cost. --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe(a)gmail.com> Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle advocates. When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha at the end it will tend to raise hackles "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free? When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2019 19:38:59 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Trump and Science Message-ID: <20190204193859.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.4964d2f6c7.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" It has been brought to my attention that many of you do not like Trumps stance on science. Where his opinion is more valid than Testable, peer reviewed, repeatable science At the same time when opinions about the bicycle are faced with testable, peer reviewed, repeatable science, the science is questioned by members of this list. Your opinion matters, it is called a hypothesis. Science proves or disproves hypothesis. Once a hypothesis is turned into a test and proved or disproved, then those with descending opinions peer review the results, to confirm or deny the results. If they are not happy they should test their own hypothesis's and have them peer reviewed. An opinion on the matter is called a guess. I am told your guesses, your opinions, are to be honored and respected more than science based testing. For that I apologize. Raise a glass to you. Christopher O Wallace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:46:30 -0500 From: Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: <CADGh=y4FqwcLrASXm2xSPicxgEu1_M87tLFzWM3dz1Vbf6yWhA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend. On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page > work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift > up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? > For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of > testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you > current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the > wheel or hold on to your beliefs. > You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a > priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over > your actions. I only have knowledge > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? > From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is > given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to > share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that >> work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge >> has no value and should be given away for free? >> >> >> When >> someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that >> constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. >> >> If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone >> to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike >> shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get >> interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite >> frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope >> with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. >> >> I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this >> particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely >> unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. >> >> cyclista Nicholas >> >> >> >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: >> > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove >> > your answers. >> > >> > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No >> > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. >> > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? >> > >> > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ >> > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or >> > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it >> > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist >> > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride >> > experience? How do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then >> > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not >> > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force >> > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their >> > knees? How do you verify your answer? >> > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a >> > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a >> > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, >> > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and >> > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more >> > efficiently? >> > >> > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the >> > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension >> > systems) and make cycling safer. >> > >> > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% >> > >> > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and >> > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, >> > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale >> > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve >> > their cycling experience to improve sales? >> > >> > >> > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to >> > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation >> > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located >> > in Chicago Illinois. >> > >> > PS >> > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to >> > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do >> > that! I look forward to hearing from you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > Christopher O, Wallace >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > >> > Unsubscribe from this list here: >> > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> > > > -- > Kevin Dwyer > Salt Lake City, UT > 801.647.0797 > > > > IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information > that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other > applicable privilege. 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On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com<mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>> wrote: May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the wheel or hold on to your beliefs. You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over your actions. I only have knowledge --------- Original Message --------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com<mailto:kevidwyer@gmail.com>> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org<mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org>> No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com<mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com>> wrote: Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no value and should be given away for free? When someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. cyclista Nicholas On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com<mailto:christopher@holisticcycles.com> wrote: > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > your answers. > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > answer? > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > knees? How do you verify your answer? > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > answer? > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > efficiently? > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > systems) and make cycling safer. > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > in Chicago Illinois. > > PS > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > Sincerely > Christopher O, Wallace > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -- Kevin Dwyer Salt Lake City, UT 801.647.0797 IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other applicable privilege. 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URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 00:17:19 -0500 From: Ainsley Naylor <needleandthread(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Both Body and bike benefit Message-ID: <CAEkJx+kG3OC_VpKR6ttgQQ+2JCoZNrKCq4UY_QdvCfPniYY+aA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hey friend, do you have a question about running a non-profit community bike project? Or something to share to that end? Because that is what this list is for. Please refrain from long, tangential diatribes. We are all keen to maintain this useful, supportive community, but this email exchange is leaving me feeling frustrated and exhausted. Thank you! Ainsley. On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 12:14 AM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > Pacing in a group is a nice community experience. Maintaining a high > Cadence is healthy for your body and your bike. Higher pedal spin for the > same velocity increases heart rate, increasing blood flow and lubrication > to the joints, reduces the pressure in the leg joint surfaces and the > connective tissue, reducing wear on the disks and allowing connective > tissue to grow in strength at a similar rate to the muscle tissue. The high > cadence reduces the load in the drive train, and places the load in bigger > cogs transferring the load across a greater surface area and across more > teeth reducing wear. > Benefiting both your body health and your wallet in reduced repair cost. > > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? > From: "Jim Bledsoe" <gamesbledsoe(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2/4/19 4:57 pm > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > What we here at the thinktank are, is a bunch of open source bicycle > advocates. > When one posts a long drawn out list of questions with a pay me now gotcha > at the end it will tend to raise hackles > "What does facing do for the customers ride experience?" were you > meaning "pacing" or more succinctly, maintaining a high cadence here? > > > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 2:39 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that >> work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge >> has no value and should be given away for free? >> >> >> When >> someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that >> constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. >> >> If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone >> to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike >> shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get >> interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite >> frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope >> with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. >> >> I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this >> particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely >> unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. >> >> cyclista Nicholas >> >> >> >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: >> > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove >> > your answers. >> > >> > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No >> > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. >> > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? >> > >> > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ >> > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or >> > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it >> > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist >> > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride >> > experience? How do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then >> > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not >> > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force >> > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their >> > knees? How do you verify your answer? >> > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a >> > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a >> > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, >> > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and >> > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more >> > efficiently? >> > >> > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the >> > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension >> > systems) and make cycling safer. >> > >> > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% >> > >> > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and >> > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, >> > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale >> > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve >> > their cycling experience to improve sales? >> > >> > >> > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to >> > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation >> > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located >> > in Chicago Illinois. >> > >> > PS >> > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to >> > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do >> > that! I look forward to hearing from you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > Christopher O, Wallace >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > >> > Unsubscribe from this list here: >> > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> > ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2019 22:20:10 -0800 From: Lauren Warbeck <lauren.warbeck(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: <CAAr69eV2A024v+D8y53WCgqCgtKb0x34YR5ptLBZ0gRAFa3=Cg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you for your continued work Godwin ????????? On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM Godwin ! <goodgodwin(a)hotmail.com wrote: > Yes. I sent him an email asking him to stop and apologize, he replied > with more confusing insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I > removed and blocked him. > > godwin > > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> on > behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel(a)gmail.com> > *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM > *To:* The Think Tank > *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? > > Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend. > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > > May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web page > work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to lift > up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? > For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of > testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you > current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the > wheel or hold on to your beliefs. > You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a > priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over > your actions. I only have knowledge > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? > From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> > Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is > given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to > share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > > Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that work > has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge has no > value and should be given away for free? > > > When > someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that > constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. > > If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone > to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike > shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get > interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite > frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope > with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. > > I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this > particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely > unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. > > cyclista Nicholas > > > > On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: > > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove > > your answers. > > > > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No > > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. > > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? > > > > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ > > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or > > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it > > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist > > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride > > experience? How do you verify your answer? > > > > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then > > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not > > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your > > answer? > > > > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? > > > > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force > > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 > > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or > > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their > > knees? How do you verify your answer? > > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a > > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your > > answer? > > > > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a > > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, > > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and > > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more > > efficiently? > > > > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the > > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension > > systems) and make cycling safer. > > > > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% > > > > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and > > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, > > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale > > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve > > their cycling experience to improve sales? > > > > > > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to > > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation > > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located > > in Chicago Illinois. > > > > PS > > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to > > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do > > that! I look forward to hearing from you. > > > > Sincerely > > Christopher O, Wallace > > > > ____________________________________ > > > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > > > -- > Kevin Dwyer > Salt Lake City, UT > 801.647.0797 > > > > IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the > individual or entity to which it is addressed. It may contain information > that is confidential and/or protected by the attorney-client or other > applicable privilege. If you are not the intended recipient, or if you are > not responsible for delivering this communication to the intended > recipient, you are hereby notified that the disclosure of this > communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify me immediately by telephone at (801) > 647-0797, and return the original message to me at the above address via > email. Thank you. > ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 01:09:26 -0600 From: Caleb Evenson <caevenson(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: <CADEf7dQ3ysqhfybLCLNCqBpSDB0iV=9VBsfQbL+eheMiEiQ+Dw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That's quite a narrow view on anxiety, Christopher. Seems you have your own faith. On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 1:04 AM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: > > If you have an immense test anxiety, then you should become a religious > leader. Your beliefs will far outweigh anything that's provable or > measurable > > --------- Original Message --------- > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your > programs benefit? > From: "Judith Feist" <judith(a)backalleybikes.org> > Date: 2/3/19 5:41 pm > To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > What happens if you get immense test anxiety? > > On Sunday, February 3, 2019, Ulick O'Beirne <ulickobeirne(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Hey Christopher >> >> Great questions and from a training point of view they could be amazing >> tests to have to hand. >> >> Have you compiled these ideas into a resource- manual/ course/ etc? >> >> I'm based in Ireland. I teach cycling in schools and to community groups. >> I teach bike mechanics and repair mainly to adults. With friends we hope to >> open a community bike shop in Clonakilty. >> >> Can you give more info on what you're thinking? Format etc? >> >> Cheers. Take care, >> >> Ulick >> >> On Sun 3 Feb 2019 at 05:57, <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove >>> your answers. >>> >>> Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is >>> not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. >>> How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? >>> >>> What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ >>> Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or >>> engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it does >>> not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist have it >>> done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride experience? >>> How do you verify your answer? >>> >>> How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then magically >>> become harder and never stretch again? If they do not stretch once, then >>> how do they get longer once? How do you verify your answer? >>> >>> Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? >>> >>> How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force get >>> stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 lbs >>> cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or 2000 Lbs of >>> force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their knees? How do >>> you verify your answer? >>> Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a >>> chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your answer? >>> >>> Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a wheel >>> spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, dish, >>> tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and >>> computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more efficiently? >>> >>> How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the hydraulic >>> systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension systems) and >>> make cycling safer. >>> >>> How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% >>> >>> Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and >>> cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, >>> efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale >>> language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve their >>> cycling experience to improve sales? >>> >>> >>> If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to >>> improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation >>> telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located in >>> Chicago Illinois. >>> >>> PS >>> Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to >>> improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do >>> that! I look forward to hearing from you. >>> >>> Sincerely >>> Christopher O, Wallace >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >> > > -- > Judith C Feist > Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley > > > *"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis > > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem > > I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything else > in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and > self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony > > ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2019 06:46:02 -0700 From: Kevin Dwyer <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? Message-ID: <CADX0RX-L5ybGmiDGM=zuV16qbFtSOnYEpHSOpysDS6VVTFQhUA(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" That sucks but, many thanks, Godwin. On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:20 PM Lauren Warbeck <lauren.warbeck(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Thank you for your continued work Godwin ????????? > > On Mon, Feb 4, 2019, 9:07 PM Godwin ! <goodgodwin(a)hotmail.com wrote: > >> Yes. I sent him an email asking him to stop and apologize, he replied >> with more confusing insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I >> removed and blocked him. >> >> godwin >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> on >> behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel(a)gmail.com> >> *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM >> *To:* The Think Tank >> *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? >> >> Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend. >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: >> >> May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web >> page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to >> lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? >> For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of >> testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you >> current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the >> wheel or hold on to your beliefs. >> You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a >> priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over >> your actions. I only have knowledge >> >> --------- Original Message --------- >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? >> From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> >> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm >> To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >> >> No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is >> given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to >> share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. >> >> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: >> >> Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that >> work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge >> has no value and should be given away for free? >> >> >> When >> someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that >> constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. >> >> If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone >> to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike >> shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get >> interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite >> frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope >> with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. >> >> I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this >> particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely >> unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. >> >> cyclista Nicholas >> >> >> >> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: >> > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove >> > your answers. >> > >> > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No >> > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. >> > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? >> > >> > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ >> > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or >> > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it >> > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist >> > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride >> > experience? How do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then >> > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not >> > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? >> > >> > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force >> > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 >> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or >> > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their >> > knees? How do you verify your answer? >> > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a >> > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your >> > answer? >> > >> > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a >> > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, >> > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and >> > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more >> > efficiently? >> > >> > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the >> > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension >> > systems) and make cycling safer. >> > >> > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% >> > >> > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and >> > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, >> > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale >> > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve >> > their cycling experience to improve sales? >> > >> > >> > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to >> > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation >> > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located >> > in Chicago Illinois. >> > >> > PS >> > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to >> > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do >> > that! I look forward to hearing from you. >> > >> > Sincerely >> > Christopher O, Wallace >> > >> > ____________________________________ >> > >> > The ThinkTank mailing List >> > >> > Unsubscribe from this list here: >> > >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> >> Unsubscribe from this list here: >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >> >> >> >> -- >> Kevin Dwyer >> Salt Lake City, UT >> 801.647.0797 >> >> >> >> IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the >> individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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I sent him an email asking him to stop and apologize, he replied >>> with more confusing insults and continued to post gibberish to the TT so I >>> removed and blocked him. >>> >>> godwin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:* Thethinktank <thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >>> on behalf of Katie Vogel <katharine.d.vogel(a)gmail.com> >>> *Sent:* February 4, 2019 7:46 PM >>> *To:* The Think Tank >>> *Subject:* Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? >>> >>> Is this person banned yet? Asking for a friend. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 22:24 <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: >>> >>> May I have your best bike for free? or even your best tune up? Or web >>> page work, or social media, or NFP wording? What are you willing to do to >>> lift up my business for free so that I can lift up yours? >>> For free I gave you ideas you had not come up with yet. The idea of >>> testing your processes to prove that are the same as or different than you >>> current beliefs/ practices. You as a group can reinvent the >>> wheel or hold on to your beliefs. >>> You can lift me up and I will lift you up. You can shut me down like a >>> priests in the dark ages did to people of science. I have no power over >>> your actions. I only have knowledge >>> >>> --------- Original Message --------- >>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Do I have this wrong? >>> From: "Kevin Dwyer" <kevidwyer(a)gmail.com> >>> Date: 2/4/19 1:32 pm >>> To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >>> >>> No, you have it wrong. The knowledge has value, even more, because it is >>> given freely. That is the point of ThinkTank: sharing. If you don't want to >>> share freely, this is wrong place for you and you are wasting our time. >>> >>> On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 1:09 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: >>> >>> Tell me if I am wrong. If you work on a bike and make it better, that >>> work has value. If I work on a process and make it better, the knowledge >>> has no value and should be given away for free? >>> >>> >>> When >>> someone posts to a mailing list to sell a product, to me that >>> constitutes cause to block that person from the mailing list. >>> >>> If you want to freely share here tutorials and techniques for everyone >>> to review and learn from, in the interest of helping community bike >>> shops hone their skillsets to a higher standard, I'd be the first to get >>> interested. As it is, you never post detailed instructions, and quite >>> frankly a lot of the processes you allude to are bizarrely out of scope >>> with what most of us do on a daily basis. Your posts smell like bait. >>> >>> I'm personally requesting that you reconsider posting here. In this >>> particular case, you even tacked your message onto a completely >>> unrelated thread. I mean, might be I'm actually talking to a spam bot. >>> >>> cyclista Nicholas >>> >>> >>> >>> On 2019-02-03 05:57, christopher(a)holisticcycles.com wrote: >>> > I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove >>> > your answers. >>> > >>> > Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No >>> > is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. >>> > How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? >>> > >>> > What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ >>> > Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or >>> > engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it >>> > does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist >>> > have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride >>> > experience? How do you verify your answer? >>> > >>> > How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then >>> > magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not >>> > stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your >>> > answer? >>> > >>> > Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? >>> > >>> > How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force >>> > get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 >>> > lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or >>> > 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their >>> > knees? How do you verify your answer? >>> > Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a >>> > chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your >>> > answer? >>> > >>> > Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a >>> > wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, >>> > dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and >>> > computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more >>> > efficiently? >>> > >>> > How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the >>> > hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension >>> > systems) and make cycling safer. >>> > >>> > How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% >>> > >>> > Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and >>> > cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, >>> > efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale >>> > language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve >>> > their cycling experience to improve sales? >>> > >>> > >>> > If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to >>> > improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation >>> > telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located >>> > in Chicago Illinois. >>> > >>> > PS >>> > Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to >>> > improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do >>> > that! I look forward to hearing from you. >>> > >>> > Sincerely >>> > Christopher O, Wallace >>> > >>> > ____________________________________ >>> > >>> > The ThinkTank mailing List >>> > >>> > Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> > >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> >>> Unsubscribe from this list here: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kevin Dwyer >>> Salt Lake City, UT >>> 801.647.0797 >>> >>> >>> >>> IMPORTANT: This communication is intended solely for the use of the >>> individual or entity to which it is addressed. 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Greatly appreciated. > > -- > Judith C Feist > Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley > > > *"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis > > "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem > > I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything else > in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and > self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > > Unsubscribe from this list here: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… > > -- Jeffrey Getten Co-Director The Hub of Back Alley / Back Alley Bikes 3611 Cass Ave. Detroit, MI 48201 313.833.0813 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Josh Bisker 914-500-9890 New York Mechanical Gardens Bike Co-op <http://bikecoop.nyc/> 596 Acres <http://596acres.org/> Bindlestiff Family Cirkus <http://bindlestiff.org/> On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:50 AM Jeffery Getten <jeff(a)backalleybikes.org> wrote: > Thank you Godwin, I'm new to the group and was hoping this was not the > "norm". > > On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 9:24 AM Judith Feist <judith(a)backalleybikes.org> > wrote: > >> Thank you Godwin. Greatly appreciated. >> >> -- >> Judith C Feist >> Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley >> >> >> *"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis >> >> "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem >> >> I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything >> else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and >> self-reliance.~Susan B. 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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2
by Robert Rands 04 Feb '19

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"Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important." With most hubs (cup & cone) one should be careful of overtightening, not to "crank down", as that can "crush" the bearings. Old hubs "left loose" will benefit from a bit of overtightening, as per se each example. However, Mavic hubs (cartridge), that require a special tool, should be left with a little play (hub setting tempered by QR adjustment). This is garnered from the issued manual on adjustment for these hubs by the company. In practice, this has worked. ~robert (blackcatprowl) Robᵉʳᵗ -------------------------------------------- On Sun, 2/3/19, <thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 149, Issue 2 To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Date: Sunday, February 3, 2019, 4:04 PM Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Your opinion please.... (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) 2. Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? (christopher(a)holisticcycles.com) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 22:55:07 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Your opinion please.... Message-ID: <20190202225507.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.813800a36d.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" lightspeed was designed for bike shops --------- Original Message --------- Subject: [TheThinkTank] Your opinion please.... From: "Ellen Willis-Conger" <ellen(a)sbbike.org> Date: 1/30/19 5:23 pm To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition has 3 different sites/shops. We are going to upgrade our POS system to work better with our Quickbooks online in order to make life easier and more accurate for all! Do you have experience with how the following POS systems interface with Quickbooks? Please share your opinion and experience with support !! 1) Primaseller 2) Shopkeep 3) Lightspeed Thank you!! Ellen -- Ellen Willis-Conger Associate Director Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition p: 805.845.8955 w: sbbike.org e: ellen(a)sbbike.org ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list here: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o… -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org…> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 02 Feb 2019 22:57:03 -0700 From: christopher(a)holisticcycles.com To: "The Think Tank" <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Elevating the knowledge base, Would your programs benefit? Message-ID: <20190202225703.f1111ec096c9d6bd7eddf37b01080912.ad91ff304d.mailapi(a)email03.godaddy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I will ask a few questions and I am seeking if you have tests to prove your answers. Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? Yes or No is not important, how do you test to verify your answer is important. How can this test be used to reduce service time to 1/20 the time? What does facing do for the customers ride experience? Nothing/ Something? The following answers are guesses, beliefs, not science or engineering based: it should be done, it is done at the factory, it does not need to be done, eliminates pedal click, professional cyclist have it done. So what does it do? how does it improve a cyclist ride experience? How do you verify your answer? How do stainless steel spokes and cables stretch once and then magically become harder and never stretch again? If they do not stretch once, then how do they get longer once? How do you verify your answer? Do Bolts stretch? Yes or No, how do you verify your answer? How does a chain that can stretch at 900 Kg or 2000 pounds of force get stretched on a bike frame that can only support a 160 Kg or 350 lbs cyclist. How can a 45 Kg or 100 pound cyclist put 900 Kg or 2000 Lbs of force into a chain to stretch it? Without destroying their knees? How do you verify your answer? Which leads to the question, How does one type of shift lever make a chain function twice as long as another type. How do you verify your answer? Why do mechanics tighten and loosen spokes? When a cyclist uses a wheel spokes get looser. Spokes only need to be tightened to round, dish, tension, and true a wheel. How can finite element analysis and computational fluid dynamics help a mechanic work 36 times more efficiently? How can understanding the Sphere Stacking Equation improve the hydraulic systems on a bicycle? (Both hydraulic braking and suspension systems) and make cycling safer. How can a mechanic use a bench as a tool to reduce service time 25% Would it help your school, your students, bicycle businesses and cyclist; if your curriculum included verifiable testing processes, efficient practices to reduce procedure time 25% to 50%, service sale language to help cyclist understand what a procedure does to improve their cycling experience to improve sales? If any of this or all of this is new to you and you would like to improve your training, feel free to reach out and start a conversation telephone only. 773 -490 -0683 Christopher O. Wallace . I am located in Chicago Illinois. PS Yes I have re-invented the wheel three different ways, I am looking to improve the cycling industry and I feel schools are the best way to do that! I look forward to hearing from you. Sincerely Christopher O, Wallace -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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by christopher＠holisticcycles.com 04 Feb '19

04 Feb '19

All the points you raise have answers in mechanical engineering and bicycle mechanics. To pick one: the compression of a closed quick release does change the adjustment of hub bearings, easily demonstrated. Various techniques exist to correct the hub bearings adjustment for this. Barnett publishes a technique, a bit fussy, but it works. The technique he demonstrated to me was flawed. I show him the flaw in logic and he dismissed it. He put pressure on the end of an axle on one side of a hub and pressure on the lock nut on the other side of the hub. There is never any pressure on the end of a skewered axle. The clamping force is only on the lock nuts against the dropout surfaces. His test had two variables instead of one. Does the axle compress under quick release loads or do the threads flex. One test will not answer two variables. Two test are needed to test two variables. Yet only one test is valid. Since a QR can never press against the end of an axle and still have clamping force on a lock nut against the dropout, pressing against the end of the axle test is invalid. John' s testing wanted to find a specific amount that a hub could be adjusted from the standard bench adjustment to the on the bike correction for quick release forces. He came to realize that the variables in axle materials and quick release materials and construction were to great for a unified answer. I solved for his issues and his beliefs dismissed my solution. I demonstrated a perfect adjustment for the added load of a quick release in less than 30 seconds. Once I did six adjustment in 10 seconds. My special tools cost $6 from a frame builder. Special tools do exist, but unnecessary. Most mechanics learn in school or from someone like me, People are asking me for free instruction, is your knowledge free? if not why are you advertising here also? and most develop their preferred method. Chains don't stretch. At 2000 pound of force chains do stretch, True: on a bike they only wear. Cables do. At 550 pounds of force derailleur cables stretch, but the plastic shift lever mount will fail at 200 pounds of force, at 800 pounds of force brake cables stretch. sadly a rim side wall brake surface will start to fail at 160 pounds of force. Numbers don't lie and are verifiable. (Very different structures.) Spokes remain elastic. Spoke elbows deform from the original 90 degrees to the best pull angle, effectively making spokes longer once. On aluminum hubs the elbow indents the hub flange hole making the spoke effectively longer once. Neither of these changes the elastic properties of the spoke, but they do make the spoke effectively longer once and drop the tension of the wheel, allowing for greater tension ranges in spokes, creating early fatigue and spoke failure. Also reducing the efficiency of the wheel to accelerate as looser spokes need to be tensioned by the force from the chain before they move the cyclist forward, and the wheel has more side to side movement with looser spokes making control and braking less than optimal. May I suggest that these complete thoughts are not currently put together cohesively by engineering books which I have intensely studied, or bicycle best practices knowledge bases. or by you. May I suggest familiarizing yourself with current best practice (rather than the noise that gets written on the web). I suggest Sharp for the basic mechanical engineering My experiments with the wheel in both practice and with finite element analysis and computational fluid dynamic program ANAYS. have shown insight intto the wheel and how to do wheel work 20 faster for better result. and Barnett for current mechanic best practice. As a BBI certified master tech, I can point out many flaws to Barnett's best practices. From making mechanics less profitable with slow procedures that are not valid in their testing. To just plain bad science understanding. Get back to me if you have questions after having thoroughly understood those. I am back, Now are you ready to learn? or do you have any ideas of your own that are brilliant. I am all ears On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 1:24 PM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Hi David, What are you trying to build? I am not trying to builds I am trying to understand what has been built to improve efficiency of mechanics by up to 40 times current speed. Helping mechanics earn a living wage. Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. Do you know this as fact or a belief that you hold strongly? And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. In the 1880's to 1890's there was amazing engineering, some material sciences in the 1980's improved friction, ending of the cold war brought advanced materials in the 80's and 90's Sadly as a student of the root causes of problems I have found the engineering in most bicycle systems is lost and strong held beliefs are the replacement. A couple of examples: A chain has a pull strength of 2000 pounds before it stretches, If you wish to stretch a chain put a car on your back and stand on one pedal. What is the root of chain lengthening, What is the relationship between side to side flex of a chain and shifting quality? Do all new chains that measure the same length have the same side flex? Is there a relationship between chain length and flex. A spoke is made of a magical metal that stretches once and then becomes a harder metal and never stretches again. A spoke can be tightened until it will pull the nipple through the rim because the rim is not as strong as pull force that can be applied by the spoke. So how do rims stretch spokes to become looser in tension during the first 30 days of riding? Derailleur cables are anchored by a threaded fastener on one end and on the other end sits in a plastic seat in the shift lever. The derailleur cable has a pull strength of 500 pounds of pull before it will stretch, the plastic seat will fail before the cable will. How do cables stretch one time then never stretch again when pulled by a weaker plastic component? Does a quick release lever change the adjustment of a hub? How do you isolate and test your theory? How do you adjust the hub precisely for a combination of a specific axle (mild steel, hardened steel, Titanium, Aluminum, ) and a specific Quick Release material (Steel, Aluminum, Titanium, with or with out plastic components )? How do you precisely adjust a hub for QR forces in less than 20 seconds? If engineering has been done, then it should be easy to answer all these question by looking in books, or on line, or from schools. Which acts like a fluid on the bicycle? hydraulic brake fluid? a wheel rim? or a chain? A little hint, Brake fluid when contain in a system acts as a solid to transfer forces. Brake fluid outside of a system acts like a fluid. If you would like to communicate on how CFD with FEA can change the world of cycling I would love to talk, If you believe engineers created cables that stretch once, spokes that stretch once, chains that stretch with human load of less than 2000 pounds, well I will not change your strong belief system. Christopher Wallace 773 490 0683 Good morning, Sorry, no. I once did some programming for FEA and CNC but ages ago, and my IT friends wrangle server farms, databases, and state IT departments. Take a look at Monster. Also post a query on one of the CMU boards or Pitt Craigslist. What are you trying to build? Not a lot of CFD in the bike world. And after over a hundred years of engineering, not a lot of need for FEA. David On Sun, Oct 16, 2016, 11:14 AM <christopher(a)holisticcycles.com> wrote: Do you know anyone that is fluent in Ansys? CFD FEA? or know where I could look for a person in the field? Christopher Wallace Holistic Cycles 773 490 0683 Oak Park, IL. 60304 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM From: David Zundel <davidzundel(a)gmail.com> Date: Sat, October 15, 2016 6:38 pm To: Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org>, The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> CiviCRM goes on a server (vps recommended and affordable) then accessed by a web page, fairly easy. Or you buy Civi hosting, but that defeats some of the purpose of using Civi. Civi has considerable power and ability, can connect with ERP, etc but not for IT novice. Easy to install, configure, and maintain if you have experience and comfort with Linux servers, if not, not. You can certainly hire the Linux talent in SLC, but dependence on outside IT service has inconveniences. Email me directly if you want to get into details on Civi. David http://openwest.us On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 8:20 PM Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: What staff resources does it require? On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 7:19 PM jack <jack(a)bikewalkwichita.org> wrote: We use Salesforce / Wordpress / Mailchimp and have been pleased with what all we can do, for free. -------- Original message -------- From: David Zundel Date:10/15/2016 7:33 PM (GMT-06:00) To: The Think Tank Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] CiviCRM CiviCRM recommended David On Sat, Oct 15, 2016, 6:13 PM Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)bicyclecollective.org> wrote: Has anyone been using (https://civicrm.org/) or would they recommend a different software package? -Jonathan ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List <a href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe from this list</a> ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List <a href="http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe from this list</a> ____________________________________ The ThinkTank mailing List Unsubscribe from this list

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 148, Issue 16
by sharon earnhardt 01 Feb '19

01 Feb '19

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE UNSUBSCRIBE ME!!!! I've asked nicely several times. I'm reporting the next post as spam. Sharon Earnhardt captainkellia(a)gmail.com On Fri, Feb 1, 2019 at 3:42 AM < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Your opinion please.... (Ellen Willis-Conger) > 2. Ogden Bicycle Collective is Hiring a Volunteer Coordinator > (Danielle Stiff) > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Ellen Willis-Conger <ellen(a)sbbike.org> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 16:23:13 -0800 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Your opinion please.... > Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition has 3 different sites/shops. > > We are going to upgrade our POS system to work better with our Quickbooks > online in order to make life easier and more accurate for all! > > Do you have experience with how the following POS systems interface with > Quickbooks? Please share your opinion and experience with support !! > > 1) Primaseller > 2) Shopkeep > 3) Lightspeed > > > Thank you!! > Ellen > -- > Ellen Willis-Conger > *Associate Director* > Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition > p: 805.845.8955 > w: sbbike.org e: ellen(a)sbbike.org > <https://www.facebook.com/sbbikes/> > <https://www.instagram.com/sbbike.s/> > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Danielle Stiff <danielle(a)bicyclecollective.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Bcc: > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:38:39 -0700 > Subject: [TheThinkTank] Ogden Bicycle Collective is Hiring a Volunteer > Coordinator > Hi all, > > Our Volunteer Coordinator is off to grad school, so we're hiring a new > one! Here's a link > <https://bicyclecollective.org/ogden-news/item/784-obc-is-hiring-a-volunteer…> > to the job posting and on our website! > > Thanks! > > -- > Danielle Stiff > Director > Ogden Bicycle Collective > 936 28th Street > Ogden, UT 84403 > 801-997-0336 > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Ogden Bicycle Collective is Hiring a Volunteer Coordinator
by Danielle Stiff 30 Jan '19

30 Jan '19

Hi all, Our Volunteer Coordinator is off to grad school, so we're hiring a new one! Here's a link <https://bicyclecollective.org/ogden-news/item/784-obc-is-hiring-a-volunteer…> to the job posting and on our website! Thanks! -- Danielle Stiff Director Ogden Bicycle Collective 936 28th Street Ogden, UT 84403 801-997-0336

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Bike wash
by Jennifer Shriver 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

Community Cycles is moving to a new permanent space (hooray!!) and we are updating a few of our processes along the way, including our bike wash. Has anyone looked into this issue? Concerned about 2 things: 1. Conserving water 2. Not putting grease and contaminants into the waste water Interested to hear ANY experience or thoughts y'all have. Thanks so much. Wishing you a beautiful, bicycle-filled day, Jennifer Marie Shriver Development Director 303-641-2749 w <http://www.communitycycles.org>ww.communitycycles.org <http://www.communitycycles.org>

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 148, Issue 14
by Lawrence Mohammed 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

Great concept and strategy Bob, congrats! Warmest regards, *Lawrence Mohammed* Director & Head Mechanic Pro Bike Service C.I.C. *+44 (0)77 222 58587* *probikeservice.co.uk <https://probikeservice.co.uk>* *facebook.com/probikeservice <https://www.facebook.com/professionalbikeservice>* /[Location, NOT delivery address] Pro Bike Service C.I.C. Multi-Storey Car Park Lesney Avenue Olympic Park London E20 3BS / On 26/01/2019 21:04, thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: capital campaign in missoula, results (Judith Feist) > 2. capital campaign in missoula, results (mist(a)strans.org) > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.…

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capital campaign in missoula, results
by mist＠strans.org 27 Jan '19

27 Jan '19

Hi all, If any group is thinking of taking on a big capital campaign to buy their building and property, I'd be happy to talk about our experience here in Missoula over the last few years. The nutshell: our 4,000 sq ft community shop was for sale as part of a larger 2 acre property with a 28,000 sq ft building (lots of additions, annexes, offices, warehouse, etc). We went for it and succeeded in buying the whole thing, for 1.1 million dollars. It's in the heart of Missoula, on the trail system with great vistas to the mountains. We raised $200,000 in cash donations in 9 months, secured a $100,000 county loan (4% over 20 years) and had a local woman loan us the balance of 900k. We pay her $6,200/mo as the mortgage (6% over 25 years). A key component: we have secured enough renters to bring in $7,600/mo. That amount covers the local loan, the county loan, insurance and property tax (we gained tax exempt status on 85% of the property). We have like minded renters, from a mushroom grower to t-shirt shop to non profits renting the offices, a clay studio and so on. It has been a challenge, yet we feel very secure. We are growing bike programs, a venue space and we will likely take on the other spaces for more programs as we pay down the loan notes. The arrangement with the local person was a 'contract for deed', which gives us all the rights and responsibilities as property owner. Send me an email if you'd like to talk more. I do think this is a good model: buy a piece of property and rent out enough to cover the bulk of costs. -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula

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fundraising inquiry
by Judith Feist 25 Jan '19

25 Jan '19

Good Morning (almost afternoon), all! I have a question for any folks out there whose collective/workshop does large fundraisers/events where participants are asked to register either themselves or teams. We have been using crowdrise and had a number of complications with it this year. Are there any fundraising websites or apps out there that you would suggest? Just kinda getting things organized for next year... Thank you in advance. Greatly appreciated. -- Judith C Feist Co Director, the Hub at Back Alley *"*Radical simply means 'grasping things at the root'"- Angela Davis "A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle." -Gloria Steinem I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony

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