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(Physically) small bike shops/spaces?
by veganboyjosh＠gmail.com 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

hey all, a friend of mine is doing a story on bike shops that are under 500 square feet. he's primarily focused on retail oriented shops, but when he put the call out on facebook, of course i thought some of you and your lots of things happening in space that shouldn't physically be possible. of course he can't cover every small shop, but i'm looking for suggestions from you all for shops who have been around a while (longer than a couple years, i'd say) and are tiny physical spaces. borrowed space (ie, from a school or church, etc) is fine, as long as it's small. so, any ideas? thanks, and everyone who's at bike!bike! this weekend, give each other big hugs from me.

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Bike!Bike! Northeast 2012 ?
by Andrew L 16 Jun '12

16 Jun '12

Hey guys, girls and other bicycle enthusiasts. The people here at Troy Bike Rescue (Troy, NY (near Albany)) Have been itching for a Bike!Bike! in the Northeast. We are thinking of hosting one this coming September 28-30th. If we host it, will they come ? --- that is the question. Do you rep a shop in the Northeast? Would YOU come? Our last B!B!NE was in April 2010, and it was a great success... Worcester, Ithaca, Montpelier, Burlington, Providence, Plattsburgh, and others were all in attendance.... New shops have popped up since then, and we have a new awesome space too, plus great partners to help host. If you are interested in attending, please contact: dylan.thies(a)lostorienteerer.net You can learn more about us at: http://troybikerescue.org or you can contact one of us by phone at (518) EAT-4TBR (518-328-4827) BBNE could include: Troy night out (monthly 'art crawl') Troy Critical Mass (not associated but you will see similar faces) film screenings live music Good Food! WORKZHOPZ!!! shirt printing. bike rides Whaddya think?? we hope we are not stepping on any toes, but we haven't heard any peeps on the subject. We are sad not to be headed to Vancouver, but have a great time all!!! -- ------__o ----_`\<,_ ---(_)/ (_) andrew lynn 518-573-7947

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 70, Issue 14
by Jenna Johns-Yu 13 Jun '12

13 Jun '12

Recycle-A-Bike <http://www.recycleabike.org/>, Providence will be there! Jenna Yu, Program Director

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Help Community Bicycle Center raise $1,000
by Andy Greif 12 Jun '12

12 Jun '12

Hi Think Tank Friends Please help the Community Bicycle Center with your vote described below and if possible put a posting on your respective FaceBook pages. As always you are welcome to visit us in Maine. We will have the kids take you on a tandem ride to the ocean or make you a milkshake on our bike powered blender. Thanks for your help!!!! You are one click away from helping CBC win $1,000 for our community's Bike Doctor Outreach program. To support National Bike Month, GOOD and Clif Bar are teaming up to reward one organization $1,000 for their idea of how promote biking and get their neighbors on bikes. Through CBC's Bike Doctor program, kids are "paying it forward" by pedaling into neighborhoods and fixing their neighbors' bikes for free. CLICK HERE: http://clifbarbikes.maker.good.is/projects/bikedoctor to watch a short, and endearing video about Bike Doctor and the kids who are involved.and, of course, to VOTE. VOTE, PLEASE! It takes seconds. Forward to your friends, family members, anyone and everyone you know who supports kids, and fellow-cycling enthusiast! <http://clifbarbikes.maker.good.is/projects/bikedoctor> http://clifbarbikes.maker.good.is/projects/bikedoctor You can also vote via the link on our CBC Facebook page: www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter **A big THANK YOU to At Your Service Video Production, LLC for donating talent and time for this contest and many other CBC video projects!** Andy Greif, Executive Director Mailing: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford Shop Phone: 207-282-9700 Cell Phone: 207-229-8199 Website: www.communitybike.net <http://www.communitybike.net/> "Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"

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'Youth Mechanics' analytical thinking skills program
by Tom Martin 11 Jun '12

11 Jun '12

Hello all, I've recently finished a 10-week pilot for an analytical thinking skills program using bicycle repair as a teaching medium. In short, the program supposes that the subjects taught in school -- math, literature, etc -- are just arbitrary avenues to the same sort of cognitive processes that could be reached though handskills and mechanicship. In other words, bike repair to become a critical, thinking person. I'd love feedback on the program, which is outlined here: http://www.martincommatom.com/youth-mechanics ...with program notes, lesson plans and other written material. I'm also looking to expand the program, so if anyone has any leads on young people to work with (or funding!) here in London, let me know. Thanks! Tom Youth Mechanics, London

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Pedal-Powered Composting Project
by Andrew L 11 Jun '12

11 Jun '12

hey think tank! We are almost there but need the help of your networks to make FoodCylce a reality. Please excuse the shameless plug, but we are trying to rock a kickstarter campaign and time is dwindling at 9 days to go!! Our project is to build a small fleet of compost hauling cargo bikes and kickstart a local compost pick up route for our collaboration between our Troy Bike Rescue and a nearby vacant-lot gardening project, Collard City Growers.... you can read all about it in the words of my friend and food blogger, Amy: http://fromscratchclub.com/2012/06/11/kickstarter-campaign-food-cycle-build… you can also find the video there. Sure we would love support from you, but also we if this project sounds interesting to you, PLEASE take a moment and post it on Facebook, Twitter, or send an email to your personal or community networks. -- ------__o ----_`\<,_ ---(_)/ (_) andrew lynn 518-573-7947

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Kitchen Start-UP in Pasadena, CA
by Juan Diego Ashton 11 Jun '12

11 Jun '12

Hello, I am a student at Pasadena City College and developer of a new, student-led program called iBike PCC. The intent of our program is to encourage our students to choose cycling as a means of transportation. We are currently looking to establish a bicycle "kitchen" on campus for both student and community use. We want to provide essential tools, assisted maintenance, and a low cost supply of parts to students, and members of the community. It is nearing the end of our semester, and we have until the 15th of June to spend 12,000 dollars left in our budget. We are looking to purchase the right kind of equipment for a space about 30ft x 20ft or smaller, and would like to have at least four work stations. We do not currently have a wholesale license, but we do have the ability to pay an invoice made out to our Associated Students Pasadena City College, Sustainability Committee. Any help or suggestions in terms of what to purchase or anyone with a purchasing license (in the Los Angeles Area) willing to put out an order out for equipment, please feel free to reply via this message board or by contacting me personally at juanashton(a)gmail.com | mobile 626-203-8134. We really appreciate the help getting started! Juan Diego Ashton Sustainability Committee - ASPCC juanashton(a)gmail.com 626.203.8134 | Mobile

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New Bike Co-op in Martin, TN
by Ken 10 Jun '12

10 Jun '12

I started the Martin Bike Co-op and Repair in a detached garage 5 months ago. Martin is a small town with a population of 10,000 residents, and has the University of Tennessee at Martin with a student population of 8,000 students. The Co-op is a hybrid concept run out of my garage as both a bike repair shop and a bike co-op. So far, the bike repair business has been about 80% of the work. The population here is just not large enough to support a free standing bike co-op. My bike co-op is fairly well equipped with bike tools I accumulated before moving to Martin last Sept. My bike shop is the only bike repair service in town, and so I have had a good volume of bike repairs this past spring. I am a community partner with the UTM campus Institute for Civic Engagement, and the GEARS (Green Energy and Renewables Society). GEARS is interested in getting a bike share program started on campus, and I will support them in any way I can to get that started. UT at Knoxville has started a bike share program and they have some electric assist bikes in their fleet of bikes. I am a do it all sort of Co-op/Bike Shop..I do repairs, community programs, organize bike rides, work with UTM faculty and students on any bike issues, repair bikes for the UTM campus police, ride in parades..anything bike related I do. I get bikes donated from the UTM Recycling program and I buy low cost bikes for parts to use on department store bike repairs. The only place in town to buy a new bike is at WalMart, and I am the only place in town to do repairs to bikes. I do get some higher end bikes to repair from UTM faculty that go out of town to buy a new bike. The area is one of the poorer areas in the U.S. It is not the poorest, as that would be further south of us. So my market is focused on the lower cost bikes and used bikes, although there are a good number of people riding hybrid bikes that they purchased out of town at a bike shop about 60 miles away. I would be interested in attending any gatherings of Bike Co-op folks in the mid-south, if there are any. Currently I buy my new bike parts and supplies from a bike shop 60 miles away. I am wondering if there are any online bike parts dealers that sell to Bike co-ops. I don't buy enough to be able to use QBP or any of the other larger wholesalers. Thanks. Ken Leibold Martin, TN, Small Town USA. On the web at: www.BikeBarn.biz

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Assessing Value of Donated Bikes
by Marissa Pherson 09 Jun '12

09 Jun '12

Hi all, I'm new to the list, from Columbus, IN's community bike co-op. We just launched a new website: www.bikeco-op.org I come to you seeking any policies and procedures you may have in place at your local bike collective regarding determining the value of a bicycle. We have an Earn-a-Bike program and a shop bike program and would like to standardize the values. At the moment, we don't have a checklist or chart to determine how much time an Earn-a-Biker needs to work to earn a donated Raleigh hybrid, or how much to suggest a donor provide for us to have that same Raleigh hybrid fixed up and ready to go. Before re-inventing the wheel, I wanted to come to you all and get some input or some info on what is used elsewhere to keep bike values somewhat consistent. Thanks in advance! Marissa Pherson

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Liability/waiver/assumption of risk form?
by Campus Bike Project 08 Jun '12

08 Jun '12

Hello Erin - Our location is a member run teaching & educational shop and we currently do not have a "Bike Library<http://www.fcbikelibrary.org/policies.php>" or lease or rent bikes. All members sign a liability waiver when they join. Several campus units within the University manage their own small fleets for inter-campus trips. There are additional resources available for your information from the think-tank Please visit: <http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Insurance > You might also join that list sever and post your inquiry, there are a broad range of ideas on the subject. Good luck - carl volunteer mechanic the Bike Project of Urbana-Champaign On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Erin Gurley <egurley(a)students.pitzer.edu> wrote: > Hi Campus Bike Project, > > I am a student at Pitzer College in Claremont, CA and I help run our on > campus bicycle co-op. We are in the process of drafting a > liability/waiver/assumption of risk to inform people of the risks associated > with using shop equipment/bikes and has them agree to the said risk. I was > wondering if your bicycle program does any bike loans/rents or allows people > to borrow equipment and whether you have a liability/waiver/assumption of > risk form that I would be able to see. It would be great to get a sense of > what other bicycle co-ops/shops/programs do before drafting our own. > > If you are able to send me any materials it would be much appreciated! > > Thank you! > Erin Gurley and the Pitzer Green Bike Program

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Re: [TheThinkTank] ladder Bike Racks
by christopher＠holisticcycles.com 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Event Bike Rack Rentals
by christopher＠holisticcycles.com 06 Jun '12

06 Jun '12

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Assembling a list of international bicycle aid organizations
by Ryan Feller 04 Jun '12

04 Jun '12

Hello! I'm assembling a list of international bicycle aid organizations for an individual in Nicaragua who is establishing a nonprofit and looking for a partner organization to distribute bicycles. I found this list on the Bike Collectives wiki. Are there any others that aren't listed? (I'll update the wiki accordingly.) Are any of your organizations considering international distribution? - Bicycles for Humanity, www.bicycles-for-humanity.org - Bikes for the World, www.bikesfortheworld.org - Cyclo Nord-Sud, www.cyclonordsud.org - Pedals for Progress, www.p4p.org - Re-Cycle, www.re-cycle.org - Recycle-a-Bike, www.recycleabike.org - Village Bicycle Project, www.villagebicycleproject.org - Working Bikes, www.workingbikes.org Many thanks! Ryan Feller

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Event Bike Rack Rentals
by scott＠gknightride.org 30 May '12

30 May '12

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Event Bike Rack Rentals
by Tara 29 May '12

29 May '12

Check with local events companies that put on triathlons, some have their own equipment such as transition bike racks. I believe Without Limits is a company near Longmont, but I could be wrong on their location. Tara USA Cycling On May 29, 2012 2:44 PM, <scott(a)gknightride.org> wrote:

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Event Bike Rack Rentals
by scott＠gknightride.org 29 May '12

29 May '12

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Bike Stand
by aaron searle 28 May '12

28 May '12

We are going to be hosting several community flat tire events ( come get your kids flat tire fixed ) this summer. We are in need of a couple more bike stands and another 10x10 canopy. If anyone has extra that they are willing to part with, we would be wicked happy to take it off your hands. Karma Bike Shop www.karmabikeshop.com aaron(a)karmabikeshop.com

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Food Cycle campaign .... go!
by Andrew L 23 May '12

23 May '12

Worldwide friends! we are now doing a kickstarter here in Troy, involving Troy Bike Rescue and our companion project Collard City Growers (and a coalition of organizations (The Sanctuary for Independent Media and the Missing Link Street Ministry) and we would love your support!! Please watch the video & spread the word... the countdown is on! http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/collardcitygrowers/food-cycle-building-… This is a project to create a hyperlocal compost-pickup and delivery service in Troy, NY, building and using our own custom-made cargo bikes, and employing local youth. the link explains a lot more. If you are familiar with Troy Bike Rescue, you know that we are interested in: -repurposing materials and reusing the discarded.... -building custom bikes - cargo and otherwise -building community and working with youth towards liberation and empowerment -subverting the economics of supply and demand and reinventing the concept of 'value' in the minds of our patrons and supporters -reimagining a not-so-distant world where bicycle-culture is THE culture. We've never done this sort of thing before, so, please help us succeed in this experiment. Give what you can. the money will do just what the website says.... kickstart this project and provide the financial confidence to go beyond the feats we have already accomplished!!! Thank you for reading! Love, Andrew Lynn -- ------__o ----_`\<,_ ---(_)/ (_) andrew lynn 518-573-7947

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Americorp VISTA Volunteers
by Reno Bikes 21 May '12

21 May '12

Hello All! Quick question--how many of you have Americorp volunteers or an Americorp program at your organization and what type of programs do the volunteers work on? Thanks! -- Wed-Fri 11am-6pm Sat 10am-4pm 541 E. 4th Street. Reno, NV 89512 775.323.4488 donate via paypal: http://www.renobikeproject.com/index.php/donate/ Follow us on Flickr: http://www.flickr.com/photos/renobikeproject/ Please let us know if you would like to unsubscribe to our email list.

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Broke Spoke Renovation Phase II
by Tim Buckingham 21 May '12

21 May '12

Howdy everyone, We have been renovating our new space since early January and we are finally open. We are gearing up for phase two of the renovation. Check out our indiegogo campaign to see the new space. Plus if you give there are some sweet perks. www.indiegogo.com/brokespoke If you can't give, if would be great if you could share it around. Cheers and thanks

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Trailer design]
by christopher＠holisticcycles.com 20 May '12

20 May '12

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El Machete Collective, Mexico
by Geoff Heath 15 May '12

15 May '12

Hi folks Just as an add-on to what Steve from Santa Cruz had to say about El Machete; This past winter I went down to San Cris after replying to El Machete's request for help and donations over the thinktank list. I donated tools, stayed and helped out for a little over a month. Steve is right in that it wasn't what I expected; mostly international travellers, based out of a collective punk house, pretty disorganized. Very few bikes/parts worth salvaging from the scrapyards and no international bike donations established makes for difficult builds/repairs. But in Machete's defense, it was a very new project and none of the collective members had prior community bike shop experience (but were inspired to take this project on after bike touring canada/US and seeing our wonderful network of community bike shops). Machete may be lacking in some long term vision, organization, and quiet places to sleep, but they are trying their best, hopefully learning from their mistakes and were the talk of the town over the winter. I think their main downfall was too few people tried to do far too much, which is a common fault that many of us share. So feel free to go visit them and lend a hand. They could use your help! But don't go expecting an established project or a chill place to sleep. In solidarity, -- Geoff Heath, Mechanical Director The Winnipeg Repair Education N' Cycling Hub 1057 Logan Ave. Winnipeg, MB R3E 3N8 www.TheWrench.ca

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Cargo Bike Frame Building Apprenticeship~Irina
by CAT Education Coordinator 15 May '12

15 May '12

Thank you for your interest in CAT's Framebuilding Apprenticeship. Currently we are accepting applications for our next session (July - December 2012). We have two openings left. If you have been considering the program for a while, you will be interested to know that we recently revised our fee structure to be all-inclusive. The change to an all-inclusive system does not represent increased costs across the board, but rather offers an easier way for everyone to handle the existing costs. We made this change after discussions with previous participants who expressed a desire to see a simpler system that laid out all the costs out front. Here are some of the details. You can find more at http://hpm.catoregon.org/?page_id=329 Application/ processing fee: $25 (Non-refundable) Fees for the Apprenticeship are $8960. There is a $1500 non-refundable deposit. Fees are all-inclusive and are broken down as follows: Apprenticeship Tuition $6000 Rent (5 months at $300 per month)* Apprentices live on site. $1500 Components for Long Haul** (priced 10% above wholesale cost) $730 Long Haul rack or flatbed with aluminum treadplate $180 Human Powered Network development fee*** $400 Required personal gear (welding helmet, etc) $150 Total $8960 * There is also a $300 refundable deposit ** The component fees include a complete build with the SRAM Dual Drive 3×9 hub and Avid bb7 mechanical disc brakes front and rear. We want each apprentice to build a Long Haul that is ready to ride at the end of the program and representative of Human Powered Machines product (a standard build). *** The Human Powered Network Development fee will be used to develop infrastructure and pursue grants for the Human Powered Network. This is a big job that requires the attention of a professional. If you have further questions, I will be happy to discuss them with you. I am at CAT on Wednesday or Thursday afternoons, usually between 3 and 5 PM. If you want to make an appointment, please call 541-344-1197 anytime and leave a message for me. Thanks! > > > Hi, Derek, > > Can you give me more information about this apprenticeship? > When/where is it? > > Thanks! > Irina > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Derek Thomas <theconcreteseas(a)gmail.com > <mailto:theconcreteseas@gmail.com>> > *To:* thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > <mailto:thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 8, 2012 6:09 PM > *Subject:* [TheThinkTank] Cargo Bike Frame Building Apprenticeship > > Hello Think Tankers. We have been trying to post but for some reason > no luck with our email humanpowerednetwork(a)catoregon.org > <mailto:humanpowerednetwork@catoregon.org> > > * > *For THE HUMAN POWERED NETWORK: <http://hpm.catoregon.org/?page_id=534> > *//* > With the current popularity of cargo bikes we have seen an influx of > builders and importers bringing more bikes to market. But it’s not > just about bikes. > For over 20 years, Jan VanderTuin through _Human PoweredMachines_ > <http://hpm.catoregon.org/> has been focused on localizing the > production of cargo bikes and fitting them into community. Its time to > pass it on. The apprenticeship program prepares individuals to create > their own unique, bicycle-based social enterprise and shop. We aren’t > just retaining for bike building…we emphasize finding broader context > for your skills. For example; your shop might also be a teaching > facility for at risk kids. Or you may have a CSA delivery business > driven by cargo bike. > We offer intensive, hands on training in : > -Welding, brazing, machining and powder coating. > -Designing and prototyping in computer aided design (CAD) > -Industrial sewing based on our production line of rain gear. > -Organic gardening with emphasis on the true cost of food > -Marketing, website and graphic design > Our dream? To create a formal association, the _Human Powered > Network_. To bring together smaller scale frame builders into a > cooperative entityusing the established designs of Human Powered > Machines. These designs are offered as open-source to apprentices who > have completed the program. > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > <mailto:Thethinktank@lists.bikecollectives.org> > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > <mailto:TheThinkTank-leave@bikecollectives.org> > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > >

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Trailer Rental Suggestions
by Dan Hock 14 May '12

14 May '12

Hey All, I work at Bike Recycle Vermont, a community shop specifically designed to serve the low/no income population in Burlington VT and beyond. We get a ton of use out of our Bikes at Work trailer. We are currently trying to design a rental program so that we can lend our trailer out to the low income customers we serve. Our only reservations come from not being able to ensure trailers safe return. Loss/damage is an obvious assumed risk when anything is rented out. Generally, that risk is shared between the customer and the org, but our challenge in renting to low income customers is what acts as collateral if customers have no ID or access to money? We are planning to offer a day-time only rental to coincide with our daily hours along with substantial locks for both the trailer and bike. Any suggestions or models that exist elsewhere that may be helpful. Thanks, Dan -- Dan Hock Bike Recycle Vermont Program Manager w. 802.264.9687 Bike Recycle Vermont <http://www.localmotion.com/bikerecycle> 664 Riverside Ave. Burlington Learn to ride a bicycle. You will not regret it if you live. ~Mark Twain

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Partnership with the Alliance for Walking
by Rachel Morris 13 May '12

13 May '12

I agree that the power of bicycle collectives as a gateway to political advocacy for safer streets is a strong one. Our Ventura Bike Union has been around for about 5 years. We've re-written our Master Bikeway Plan, put out a video and on-line petition for more funding for the Regional Transportation Plan in Southern California, conducted neighborhood surveys, wrote safe routes to school grants, hosted kids bike rodeos and more. But ground-swell and diversity have been missing. Our Venture Bike HUB collective is a brand-new addition, but already we are reaching a new audience. At issue is that fixing my derailleur seems so much more inclusive and real than going to a hearing at City Hall. But as the love and respect and connection happens over bikes, tools, and strawberries, it builds the report and trust that fosters action. I think it has something to do with the level playing-field of greasy hands. After 5 "Open Shop" days - we already have several new political volunteers from Anglo/Latino/Asian communities. AND It's fun; way fun. -Rachel Morris VCCool Executive Director www.vccool.org office (805)641-2665 VCCool is a Climate Change Action Group dedicated to engaging the people of Ventura to reduce greenhouse gasses. We strive to influence policy, provide tools and expertise for lifestyle change, support a localized green economy, and foster a grass-roots community that supports sustainable living. -----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces(a)lists.bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces@lists.bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Friday, May 11, 2012 2:45 PM To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 69, Issue 15 Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. El Machete Collective, Mexico (Geoff Heath) 2. Re: Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and Biking (Ryan Kragerud) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:52:01 -0500 From: Geoff Heath <mech(a)thewrench.ca> To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: [TheThinkTank] El Machete Collective, Mexico Message-ID: <CANeqvpAob29jJDTWf5NOV2AD=uNZcs9CZOy4k1BGj97fp8Gexg(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi folks Just as an add-on to what Steve from Santa Cruz had to say about El Machete; This past winter I went down to San Cris after replying to El Machete's request for help and donations over the thinktank list. I donated tools, stayed and helped out for a little over a month. Steve is right in that it wasn't what I expected; mostly international travellers, based out of a collective punk house, pretty disorganized. Very few bikes/parts worth salvaging from the scrapyards and no international bike donations established makes for difficult builds/repairs. But in Machete's defense, it was a very new project and none of the collective members had prior community bike shop experience (but were inspired to take this project on after bike touring canada/US and seeing our wonderful network of community bike shops). Machete may be lacking in some long term vision, organization, and quiet places to sleep, but they are trying their best, hopefully learning from their mistakes and were the talk of the town over the winter. I think their main downfall was too few people tried to do far too much, which is a common fault that many of us share. So feel free to go visit them and lend a hand. They could use your help! But don't go expecting an established project or a chill place to sleep. In solidarity, -- Geoff Heath, Mechanical Director The Winnipeg Repair Education N' Cycling Hub 1057 Logan Ave. Winnipeg, MB R3E 3N8 www.TheWrench.ca ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 11 May 2012 15:43:53 -0600 From: Ryan Kragerud <rjkragerud(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and Biking Message-ID: <CAPK99BGxSTaKct8NUmVW+LpnYbt0gxEGHA06HZTfX3aYdN=crw(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Karen, Thank you , I agree with your main point that there needs to be a focus on capacity building at the local level for community driven bike initiatives. I also agree that local bike initiatives do reach a broader spectrum of ridership than the quote ?advocacy? organizations. Bicycle Longmont has taken the initiative to focus almost exclusively on occasional and recreational riders, otherwise known as the 80% of people who own bikes. We?ve had a great deal of success, but we?ve got a long way to go. It would be helpful if this new merger produced a toolkit new and struggling organizations could use to build new and reinvigorate existing organizations. Also ? in the long term, the League/Alliance should consider developing a ?Local Advocacy Council? that would be advisory to the combined League/Alliance Board of Directors. The local advocacy council could be comprised of community bike shop orgs, advocacy orgs etc. The members could be representative of and elected to the council by an electorate based on annual budget of member organizations, community bike shops etc. as reported on their IRS 990 form. Doing this would insure a cross section of organizations and possibly perspectives. The council could/should develop their own mission, but one part could be to foster new local initiatives/organizations/bike shops etc. and provide support and be a conduit for Board action and sounding board for League/Alliance policy changes. This example is copied from Rebuilding Together ? USA, www.rebuildingtogether.org . I established an affiliate in Minneapolis St. Paul in 1997, and served on the National Affiliate Council from 1999 ? 2001. It?s a great model. Their affiliate council was advisory to the board and handled policy changes as well as the nonprofits? name change from Christmas in April to Rebuilding Together. For more info on a case study in capacity building and why it?s important keep reading. I?ve volunteered for about 4 years with Bicycle Longmont and have been the president for the past year and a half. Bicycle Longmont was founded in 2001, however some in the community say it goes back to a group of casual cyclists who started meeting in 1993. Officially, though, we grew out of the City of Longmont?s planning processes that included updating our local land use plan and writing a multi-modal transportation plan. Bicycle Longmont officially registered as a 501c3 non-profit in 2003. >From 2003 to 2010 Bicycle Longmont focused on Bike to Work Day, advocating for better bike facilities, and promoting the League?s agenda with much success. In December of 2010 the Board met and agreed we needed to grow the capacity of our organization in order to remain relevant. We decided we wanted to continue advocating, organizing community driven, grassroots rides, and wanted to open a community bike shop. In order to do anything more than what we?d done previously, we needed to build capacity. We contacted the League, Bicycle Colorado and other bike organizations to find out if there were any capacity building trainers, funding sources, or just someone to talk too. We attended the National Bike Summits and also the Colorado Bike Summit, we learned lots about legislation and why organizing is important, we even beat our chests with the best of them, lamented the misunderstood cyclist, but ultimately learned nothing about building a healthy bike focused organization. It was apparent that even though we were dues paying members of LAB and Bicycle Colorado ? we were on our own when it came to capacity building. By January 2011, we looked around the community and asked our selves what?s working and what?s not. Our organization was floundering but our community organized rides were growing. Being in the West, we grabbed our bootstraps and began pulling. We needed money to accomplish our list made in 2010. Therefore, we developed two fundraisers: Longmont?s Bike Film Festival and a community cruiser ride called the G?Knight Ride. The film fest was our best bang for the buck and our cruiser ride was very expensive but very successful. We planned for 200 cruisers and nearly 1200 casual riders showed up. The ride attracted predominantly married middle class families with average household incomes of $87,000, between the ages of 33 ? 45, who had 1 to 2 kids and considered themselves recreational cyclists. With the proceeds we were able to fund and expand our Bicycle Valet service, Kid?s Holiday Bike Program ? we gave away nearly 450 bikes to low income kids, the visibility of the G?Knight Ride allowed us to expand our number of volunteers. Our volunteer led ? volunteer organized rides exploded from 3 ? 4 per month to 10 ? 12 per week. Our largest weekly cruiser ride ?Bike Night? increased from an average of 80 people per week to 100 people per week. We are now working toward starting our non-profit community bike shop and developed a partnership with a local bike racing club and Mall owner to conduct a weekly road/Crit series. Our second annual G?Knight Ride will happen on June 16th 2012. We hope to be in our new bike shop by August and we hope to add volunteers and increase the capacity of our board and organization. You would think being successful and developing a funding source is testament to organizational capacity. In actuality, it?s not. Our organization is still fragile. I lay awake at night worrying about whether our success is a flash in the pan or sustainable. We still need to attract more dedicated volunteers. I still struggle to inspire and motivate our board members to follow their passion. To relate this back to the League and the Alliance merger, we hope this merger will create some dedication toward capacity building for local initiatives. We hope that other organizations can learn from what we?ve done, what others have done and can be lifted up and supported by this new ?super advocacy machine?. We lifted ourselves up by our bootstraps in order to survive. We created the fundraisers because our attempts at getting grants, donations, or even regular dues paying members failed. We know there are other organizations like ours, who either are or can be successful, too. We just need a roadmap and a conduit to share our stories. So far, in my limited experience, this forum is the only place I?ve found where the trials and tribulations are celebrated and lamented in community. On Mon, Apr 16, 2012 at 9:36 AM, Karen Overton <karenovert(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The beauty of partnerships is that they create the opportunity to pool > resourses and build upon the strengths of each partner. The draft agreement > does not include clauses that impact decision-making at a local > organizational level, so those fears have no way to manifest themselves. > Very few financial resources are being committed. It assumes that > start-up?efforts piggyback upon existing activities and?assumes staff time > that is already being dedicated to collective capacity building.? Using the > plant metaphor, the seed has been planted and begun to sprout. For this > initiative to truly blossom,?we need to educate and create broader consensus > among community groups - which is what is happening now- set priorities & > create a plan of action on how best to partner in a mutually beneficial way > - which the draft agreement offers a starting point - and then raise money > to fund the needs (specific publications, workshops, etc.) that meet the > needs of BCN members - which is proposed in a way that allows us to build > trust by starting small. > > I am interested in this partnership for?3 main reasons. First, as the former > director of Recycle-A-Bicycle, I?spent years giving advice to start-up > initiatives and brokered many local partnerships with time and resources to > help them grow. Most of those local?initiatives?failed after a few years. I > never had the capacity?to spend the time/resurces on helping these efforts > as much as they needed. At the time, RAB was in survival mode. A group whose > primary goal is to help build the capacity of start-ups and then advise on > sustaining them is greatly needed. Luckily, RAB is currently able to support > at least 9 local initiatives through partnerships with public schools, the > health department and community based organizations?(none of which interfere > with internal decision-making). > > The first Youth Bike Summit surprised us at RAB. We had planned this as a > way to support local activity and did not dream that it would attract so > many people from across the country. This demonstrated?a very strong?desire > for the need to share ideas among youth bike education groups. In order to > build on this energy, I believe that a partnership with the Alliance for > Walking and Biking would be?beneficial.? This group has resources on > building organizations, works at a national level, and is making the effort > to better understand our community work and figure out how best to design a > mutually beneficial arrangement. > > The fact that we all introduce people to bikes is the first step in creating > a base for advocacy.? Our community efforts reach a much broader spectrum of > people than the advocacy groups attract. Advocacy efforts would benefit > from?a more diverse base. However, this is not an attempt to coerce people > into advocacy campaigns they do not have a voice in.?What is interesting > is?whether and how cooperation on a capacity building level?can lead to a > more inclusive political?process. > > In my humble opinion, we are rolling in the right direction. > Karen Overton > > > On Thu, Mar 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Mike Samuelson > <Mike(a)peoplepoweredmovement.org> wrote: >> >> I think Joshua's last sentence stated what we are trying to do better than >> I could have. ?The Alliance does not position ourselves as "experts". >> ?Through our programming, we try to share the successes of local >> organizations, and provide a space for discussions on topics that interest >> them. >> >> Just to reiterate, we don't have a hidden agenda, and to provide new >> opportunities while not tampering with the resources that have already been >> created. ?I appreciate those of you who have taken the time to respond with >> your thoughts, and I'm looking forward to hearing more people's opinions. >> >> Best, >> >> >> Mike Samuelson >> Member Services and Open Streets Coordinator >> Alliance for Biking & Walking >> >> P.O. Box 65150 >> Washington, DC 20035 >> >> Phone: 202-449-9692 x 7 >> Mike(a)PeoplePoweredMovement.org >> >> >> The Open Streets Project has just released the Open Streets Guide! ?A >> great resource for anyone looking to further open streets in their >> community. >> >> From: Joshua Hoffman <joshua(a)healthykidsinitiative.org> >> >> Reply-To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >> Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:17:07 -0500 >> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >> >> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and >> Biking >> >> There are two wonderful things about community bike shops that will ensure >> their continued existence. The first is that they are like weeds (pioneer >> plant species). They can grow anywhere, don't need much water, and are >> essential to restructuring (healing) the soil. The second great thing about >> community bike shops is that they are like infectious diseases. They have no >> regard for income, skill level, skin tone or creed and will make anyone and >> everyone lovesick for bikes. As long as ABW and the bicycle?advocacy?machine >> don't begin to think of themselves as a landscapers or doctors trying to >> tidy everything up, and instead considers themselves coauthors and >> biographers?helping to write/tell the unfolding story of bicycling, we'll >> all be okay. >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Wanda Pelegrina Caldas >> <wanda(a)communitycycles.org> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I think the ABW is doing great things! We've (Community Cycles in >>> Boulder, CO) used their resources/help/guidance since they were the >>> Thunderhead Alliance. They (and LAB and Bikes Belong) have been supportive >>> of our efforts. >>> >>> I agree with all of Jonathan's comments especially the ones abt how we >>> can benefit as collectives. CC is also an advocacy organization and we're >>> growing like crazy and making big differences in our community. The support >>> of the Alliance absolutely gives us much higher level resource and >>> credibility. (FYI: CC was one of the shops that received the donations of >>> fixtures, racks, etc that Jonathan mentions below. CC has a small space and >>> these items have much helped us...but that's a side note) >>> >>> BUT: I understand the concerns that not all of us are advocacy orgs, not >>> all of our goals, etc are 100% the same to AWB, but bottom line, they're >>> looking to put people on bikes as we are. Yes, we have different ways to go >>> abt this, different philosophies, different reaches, different >>> community-oriented goals specific to where we're located -and that's fine. >>> We all cater to our communities and that's what makes us really succeed at >>> what we do. >>> >>> I would love if someone from AWB could come to Bike Bike so we can >>> continue discussing these possibilities/concerns/questions/needs/how we can >>> work together...all that good stuff. When CC started 6 yrs ago, I felt like >>> orgs like the League and Bikes Belong were so up there, so out of touch with >>> collectives, so inaccessible but I've seen change that Jonathan describes. >>> While there's still higher level advocacy efforts that might not pertain to >>> all of us, they definitely have put grassroots back into their efforts. >>> >>> I don't think there's any veiled agenda or a desire to take over the >>> little guys. I just think they realize the work we do and that working >>> together -them at their level, us at ours- only makes our efforts stronger >>> and our voices louder. >>> >>> Wanda >>> >>> >>> Wanda Pelegrina Caldas >>> Community Cycles, Boulder's only non-profit bike shop >>> Become a member today. using the secure online donation form. >>> Thanks!! >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:37:09 -0600 >>> From: jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org >>> To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and >>> Biking >>> >>> Godwin, >>> >>> This is an open discussion, there is nothing closed. ?Let's help them >>> keep it open. >>> >>> The Alliance wants to keep all the information free and open, on an >>> international level. ?They want to help smaller organizations get started, >>> and they want to help larger organizations grow. ?In particular, they are >>> experts at helping organizations get their non-profit paperwork done, find >>> spaces, find people, build a sustainable organization that is able to raise >>> funds -- regardless of what their goals are. ?We have an opportunity to help >>> the Alliance help us, which is fill in the gaps in their current knowledge >>> base, specifically how Community Bike Shops and youth programs work. ?Which >>> will enable them to help more organizations like ours get started. >>> >>> What is the catch, how would the Alliance benefit? ?As organizations >>> grow, such as Community Cycling Center (Portland), Recycle-a-Bicycle (NYC), >>> and the Bicycle Collective (Provo - Salt Lake - Ogden), we need higher level >>> resources to grow that we are willing to pay for -- as a result we are paid >>> members of the Alliance. ?Again, we weren't forced into it, their member >>> resources are just that good. >>> >>> Here is a fun example of something the Alliance did; a little while ago >>> one of the largest bicycle manufacturers in the world contacted the Alliance >>> and asked them which non-profit Community Bike Shops they knew of needed a >>> donation of [brand new] fixtures (bike display racks, counters, displays, >>> etc.,...) that they decided not to use for all of their concept stores. >>> ?Raise your hand if your Community Bike Shop could have used a donation like >>> this! >>> >>> Keeping an open mind and an open heart, please read the following >>> redundant?mission statements: >>> >>> "The Alliance for Biking & Walking creates, strengthens and unites >>> state/province and local bicycle and pedestrian advocacy organizations." >>> >>> "The mission of the Bike Collective Network is to strengthen and >>> encourage communication and resource sharing between existing and future >>> community bike shops. Collectively we can improve a bigger wheel as opposed >>> to re-inventing smaller ones." >>> >>> Now let's take a deeper look and put faces to the young?people behind the >>> Alliance for Walking and Biking ("Alliance"). ?This is most of the staff >>> (http://www.peoplepoweredmovement.org/site/index.php/site/about/C190), which >>> lacks a new Communications Coordinator who ironically is from the >>> Bloomington Community Bike Project. >>> >>> Frankly, they are a small bunch of young, idealistic, bike obsessed, >>> passionate people who strive to get more people riding bikes more often and >>> get paid?virtually?nothing compared to the energy they give. ?Most >>> republicans would call them a bunch of dirty hippies. ?Sound familiar? ?It >>> does to me, because that is how I describe the people from Community Bike >>> Shops including myself. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jonathan Morrison >>> Executive Director >>> Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective >>> 2312 S. West Temple >>> Salt Lake City, UT 84115 >>> w:?801-328-2453 >>> c:?801-688-0183 >>> f:?801-466-3856 >>> www.slcbikecollective.org >>> >>> The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote >>> cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a >>> cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle >>> Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the >>> community, focusing on children and lower income households. >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Personally I love this quote from Steven seagal's film, Under Seige II >>> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg4trPZFUwc). ?While crude, it gets to the >>> point. ?So let's start with identifying some assumptions. >>> >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations attend >>> Bike!Bike!" >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations that >>> attend Bike!Bike! represent everyone else." >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations attend the >>> National Bike Summit" >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations that >>> attend the National Bike Summit represent everyone else." >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations attend the >>> Youth Bike Summit" >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations that >>> attend the Youth Bike Summit represent everyone else." >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations are >>> members of TheThinkTank email list" >>> "Representatives from 100% of all Community Bike Organizations >>> represented on the TheThinkTank email list actually read their email" >>> >>> All of these assumptions have a common truth hidden in them, which is >>> that there is no single forum that will?accurately?represent all of "us." >>> ?The only thing we can strive for is that all of "us" reach out in all >>> forums, including calling people, and give enough time for information to >>> trickle out to those that aren't represented in the known forums above. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 10:52 AM, Godwin ! <goodgodwin(a)hotmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> This involves all of us, why not keep the discussion open for now? >>> >>> My first thoughts are that an alliance (with the alliance) would be of >>> interest, however a partnership may be going too far. We have similar >>> interests and possibly end goals, however I feel that our immediate goals >>> are very different. >>> >>> The mission of the Bike Collective Network is to strengthen and encourage >>> communication and resource sharing between existing and future community >>> bike shops. Collectively we can improve a bigger wheel as opposed to >>> re-inventing smaller ones. >>> >>> From what I have understood of the AWB is that the primary interest is >>> advocacy in general while to me, the BCN exists to help people start up >>> their own collectives and keep them going. While most of us are likely >>> advocates and want to promote cycling (and walking I guess), that I feel >>> comes second or is even a?byproduct?of what we do. >>> >>> I'm not sure where this would go in the end but we had some initial >>> discussions at last year's Bike!Bike! concerning creating stronger ties >>> between our organizations and possibly making the organization more >>> formalized. There seemed to be some interest, however there was some >>> backlash at the thought of a having a parent organization to encompass all >>> of our organizations. The?consensus?seemed to be that this would not be of >>> interest, however creating a third party organization to help with research >>> and funding may be. Perhaps this is where such a partnership could take us. >>> >>> My other concern is that the AWB is a US/Canada wide project, while it's >>> awesome to hear that we've been included up here, the BCN has been helping >>> organizations world-wide. I'm not sure how such a partnership would effect >>> these relationships. >>> >>> I really like that we're talking about this! Is there any chance that >>> anyone from the AWB will be able to make it out to Vancouver this June? It >>> would be a great?opportunity?to get this discussion going in person >>> and?gauge?the feelings of the general community. >>> >>> .godwin >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ________________________________ >>> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:47:54 -0400 >>> From: Mike(a)PeoplePoweredMovement.org >>> To: thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org >>> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and >>> Biking >>> >>> >>> As Jonathan mentioned, we have been in discussions about establishing a >>> partnership with the Bike Collective Network as part of a larger effort by >>> the Alliance to work with Community Bike Shops. I encourage you to call or >>> email me with your thoughts and ideas as we continue to determine how this >>> partnership will look. >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Mike Samuelson >>> Member Services and Open Streets Coordinator >>> Alliance for Biking & Walking >>> >>> P.O. Box 65150 >>> Washington, DC 20035 >>> >>> Phone: 202-449-9692 x 7 >>> Mike(a)PeoplePoweredMovement.org >>> >>> >>> The Open Streets Project has just released the Open Streets Guide! ?A >>> great resource for anyone looking to further open streets in their >>> community. >>> >>> From: Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> >>> Reply-To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> >>> Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 15:43:32 -0600 >>> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org> >>> Subject: [TheThinkTank] Partnership with the Alliance for Walking and >>> Biking >>> >>> We have been working with?the Alliance for Walking and Biking to >>> establish a partnership that will help Community Bike Shops grow and achieve >>> their goals, as well as help bridge the gaps in the bicycle advocacy >>> community at large. >>> >>> >>> http://bikeportland.org/2012/03/26/community-bike-shops-are-changing-the-fac e-of-cycling-in-america-69372 >>> >>> We invite you to join in the conversation. >>> >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Jonathan Morrison >>> Executive Director >>> Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective >>> 2312 S. West Temple >>> Salt Lake City, UT 84115 >>> w: 801-328-2453 >>> c: 801-688-0183 >>> f: 801-466-3856 >>> www.slcbikecollective.org >>> >>> The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote >>> cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a >>> cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle >>> Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the >>> community, focusing on children and lower income households. >>> _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >>> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org To manage your subscription, plase >>> visit: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg >>> _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >>> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org To manage your subscription, plase >>> visit: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >>> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org >>> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >>> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org To manage your subscription, plase >>> visit: >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thethinktank mailing list >>> Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org >>> To unsubscribe, send a blank email to >>> TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org >>> To manage your subscription, plase visit: >>> >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o rg >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joshua Hoffman >> >> Safe Routes Organizer >> Rosedale Development Association >> Rosedale Healthy Kids Initiative >> 1403 S.W. 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