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outdoor tool stations
by Bob Giordano 14 Apr '14

14 Apr '14

some more info to add to the conversation... a few stations are now around Missoula. i think they are working well. all the different companies have improved the air pump, to be more durable. air might be the most valuable asset of a fix it station. for a few years, we locked a few pumps up around town to bike racks. they'd last up to a year. we're a big fan of manual pumps instead of compressors. ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: RE: lube on fixit? From: "Andy Lageson" <andy(a)dero.com> Date: Tue, September 20, 2011 11:20 am To: "'Bob Giordano'" <mist(a)strans.org> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Bob, we will only be able to fasten a cable to something that has a handle or loop on it. The Triflow bottle won't work. Andy Kennedy Lageson Sales Manager andy(a)dero.com Dero Bike Rack Co 504 Malcolm Ave SE Suite 100 Minneapolis, MN 55414 Tel: 612-359-0689 Ext. 105 Fax: 612-331-2731 www.dero.com  Please consider the environment before printing this email. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Giordano [mailto:mist@strans.org] Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 9:19 AM To: Andy Lageson Subject: RE: lube on fixit? Perhaps there is a better way: those little triflow bottles are ideal, as they can be squeezed to dispense, and can be easily refilled. Have you ever done lube before on a fixit? What do you think would be the best way to have lube available? (I'm going to offer our free cycle program service to people in missoula that get these fixits- we can go around and refill/replace lube weekly I believe). -Bob Giordano, MIST Andy Lageson wrote: > We have added the wrenches before especially the 15mm size. If you can > source a stainless steel dispenser and send me the weblink of exactly what > you want then we can order it and get it added to the fixit for you. We > would have to send it without lube in it though. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bob Giordano [mailto:mist@strans.org] > Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2011 8:53 AM > To: Andy Lageson > Subject: lube on fixit? > > Thanks Andy. Have you added wrenches before for other people? > > And, how about adding chain lube? I'm thinking a refillable small > stainless steel dispenser of some kind, on a cable, like the wrenches. > > -Bob Giordano, MIST > > Andy Lageson wrote: >> Hi Bob, the cost is $15.00 per wrench. There is room to expand the tool >> set on each fixit so it would cost $45.00 total to add all three >> wrenches. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bob Giordano [mailto:mist@strans.org] >> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2011 8:52 AM >> To: web(a)dero.com; Andy >> Subject: More wrenches on fixit? >> >> I am about to promote your air support and fix it station to many >> people and groups in Missoula. I talked with a rep of your company >> about 3 weeks ago and am following up: can you add 13, 14 and 15mm >> wrenches to the fixit station and how much would it add to the cost? >> 13mm to adjust seat height, 14mm to adjust seat angle, 15mm for many >> wheels. Thanks, -Bob Giordano, Director, Free Cycles Missoula, >> Missoula Institute for Sustainable Transportation

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Re: [TheThinkTank] outdoor tool stations
by Joshua Goran 08 Apr '14

08 Apr '14

I would borrow some ideas from this: http://www.dero.com/products/fixit/ I've seen that in person at a local university and it seems pretty well designed for a standalone, durable solution. *----------Joshua GoranAdministrator, Ohio City Bicycle Co-op* 1840 Columbus Rd Cleveland, Ohio 44113 216 830 2667 OhioCityCycles.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 92, Issue 8
by Tegan Moss [B!KE] 08 Apr '14

08 Apr '14

B!KE installed four Dero Fixit Stations in 2012. We have had a great response from the community about them but have had some problems too. I would be happy to chat with anyone about what I would want to see done differently if we were to design our own. 705.775.7227. Cheers, Tegan On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 11:36 AM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: outdoor tool stations (Joshua Goran) > 2. Re: outdoor tool stations (Angelo Coletta) > 3. Re: Kalamazoo, MI shops (Chris Janik) > 4. Re: outdoor tool stations (sheldon mains) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Joshua Goran <josh(a)ohiocitycycles.org> > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > Cc: > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 16:17:25 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] outdoor tool stations > I would borrow some ideas from this: > http://www.dero.com/products/fixit/ > > I've seen that in person at a local university and it seems pretty well > designed for a standalone, durable solution. > > > > *----------Joshua GoranAdministrator, Ohio City Bicycle Co-op* > 1840 Columbus Rd > Cleveland, Ohio 44113 > 216 830 2667 > OhioCityCycles.org > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Angelo Coletta <summitcyclingcenter(a)yahoo.com> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:49:09 -0700 (PDT) > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] outdoor tool stations > Yes the Dero product is similar to what I have seen. If I were going to > design one, it would be like this. You indicated semi- portability. I > would use a heavy base, such as a truck rim and an upright member set in > concrete. Attach a pair of wheels from a hand truck/dolly to an axle welded > to the back side so that it could tipped and pulled into the shop. Weld a > member at 90 degrees (parallel to the ground) at the top of the upright > member. Now you have a gallows shape. On the end of this second member, > weld a 3rd member to form a tee. Put in hardware so that one can suspend > a bike from the "tee" member. Attach selected basic essential tools to > lengths of chain or aircraft cable. Fabricate and weld a tool rack that the > tools are attached to and stored in. Weld the rack to the upright member. > As far as air supply, if the upright is of a large diameter, it could be > hermetically constructed to serve as an air tank. A heavy tube could be > fabricated into a pump and welded to the base. That is my design vision. A > little scrapyard and thrift store shopping could bring this down to a low > cost. > On Monday, April 7, 2014 4:05 PM, breathingplanet . < > breathingplanet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > i think we want to kind of create something like this: > http://www.dero.com/products/tool-kit/ > > but on our own.... aircraft cable and crimps and a way to lock and unlock > it from the front of our building. > > i guess i am looking more more specs on cable size and crimp styles.... > Angelo's Lexco lead was a good one, but the options are a bit overwhelming. > > andrew > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 2:26 PM, Ryan Sharpe <sharpe(a)sacbikekitchen.org>wrote: > > Something more secure http://www.dero.com/public-bike-repair.html, then? > > --Ryan > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 11:18 AM, breathingplanet . < > breathingplanet(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > we are looking to (re)build an outdoor tool station. are there any good > example of this? with pictures? this is for during shop hours (not > necessarily all the time), so it would be great if tools could be easily > removed and then put back... but secure. > > > andrew > Troy Bike Rescue > > -- > ------__o > ----_`\<,_ > ---(_)/ (_) > andrew lynn 518-573-7947 > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > <a href=" > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe > from this list</a> > > > > > > -- > Sacramento Bicycle Kitchen > http://sacbikekitchen.org/ > 1915 I Street, Midtown Sacramento > Open Tu 6-9p, We 6-9p, Th 6-9p, Fr 10a-2p (kids 6-8p), Sa 10a-2p > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > <a href=" > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe > from this list</a> > > > > > > > -- > ------__o > ----_`\<,_ > ---(_)/ (_) > andrew lynn 518-573-7947 > > > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > <a href=" > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe > from this list</a> > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Chris Janik <chrisjanik(a)gmail.com> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 18:40:12 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Kalamazoo, MI shops > Judith, > > Check out http://openroadsbike.org/ they run a program for youth in > Kalamzoo. > > Chris > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Judith Feist <judith.feist(a)gmail.com>wrote: > >> Good afternoon, All! >> >> I was just wondering if there are any collectives in the Kalamazoo, MI >> area. Specifically, any that have any programs dedicated to youth so that >> they are able to work on their own bikes. I have a friend living there and >> he'd like to bring his daughter in so she can learn about working on her >> bike...any info is appreciated, thank you! >> >> -- >> judith caroline feist >> >> "i don' think my art is political. i think it's about the stuff that >> doesn't let me sleep at night." -felix gonzalez-torres >> >> I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything >> else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and >> self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> <a href=" >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe >> from this list</a> >> >> >> > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: sheldon mains <sheldon(a)spokesconnect.org> > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Cc: > Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2014 10:31:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] outdoor tool stations > We have an old version of the Dero outdoor repair stand outside our shop. > (Dero donated it to us when we were just starting up--it was their > discontinued model THANK YOU DERO!!!!) We put a roof over it and a light > above it. It is available 7/24 all year (we do shovel the snow for easy > access). No security cameras or anything. In an industrial area on a > route to a major bike trail to downtown Minneapolis. > > We have had minimal vandalism. For about the first 15 months, the only > vandalism was some kid coming by and braiding the cables together. This > winter we lost two tools (cables were cut). No other problems. > > > > .............. > Sheldon Mains > SPOKES Bike Walk Connect > www.SpokesConnect.org > www.fb.com/SpokesConnect > > > On Mon, Apr 7, 2014 at 3:17 PM, Joshua Goran <josh(a)ohiocitycycles.org>wrote: > >> I would borrow some ideas from this: >> http://www.dero.com/products/fixit/ >> >> I've seen that in person at a local university and it seems pretty well >> designed for a standalone, durable solution. >> >> >> >> *----------Joshua GoranAdministrator, Ohio City Bicycle Co-op* >> 1840 Columbus Rd >> Cleveland, Ohio 44113 >> 216 830 2667 >> OhioCityCycles.org >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> <a href=" >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.o…">Unsubscribe >> from this list</a> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > -- B!KE: The Peterborough Community Bike Shop 336 Rubidge St, Peterborough ON (705) 775-7227 communitybikeshop.org

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Job opening: League Women Bike Manager
by Carolyn Szczepanski 08 Apr '14

08 Apr '14

Job Opening: * League of American Bicyclists Women Bike Manager* In 2012, the League launched its Women Bike initiative<http://www.bikeleague.org/womenbike>, aimed at changing the face of bicycling by creating pathways for women of diverse backgrounds to embrace biking as an everyday activity and participate as riders, advocates and leaders. Women Bike served as a model for a larger Equity Initiative <http://www.bikeleague.org/equity> launched by the League last year, and the two programs have been closely allied in expanding the reach of bicycle advocacy to serve more diverse populations. The new Women Bike Manager will lead the program through an exciting period of growth, becoming the its first full-time staff member. As the energy and interest to get more women on bikes grows, Women Bike is working to share collective knowledge, build a network of diverse female leaders and advance targeted programs that put more women in the saddle and at the forefront of the movement. The Women Bike Program Manager will work closely with the Equity Initiative Manager and other social programs staff at the League to coordinate our work with the public we serve. * <http://bikeleague.org/content/league-seeks-women-bike-manager>* *Read more and please share! <http://bikeleague.org/content/league-seeks-women-bike-manager>* http://bikeleague.org/content/league-seeks-women-bike-manager *CAROLYN SZCZEPANSKI*, *Director of Communications, Women Bike* CAROLYN(a)BIKELEAGUE.ORG | 202-621-5452 *THE LEAGUE OF AMERICAN BICYCLISTS* WWW.BIKELEAGUE.ORG/WOMENBIKE <http://www.bikeleague.org/womenbike> TWITTER <https://twitter.com/BikeLeague> | FACEBOOK<http://www.facebook.com/leagueamericanbicyclists> | YOUTUBE <http://www.youtube.com/user/bikeleaguevideo> *Make every ride count in the National Bike Challenge <https://nationalbikechallenge.org/> -- it's fun, free and ALL NEW in 2014! Register today! <https://nationalbikechallenge.org/> *

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Kalamazoo, MI shops
by Judith Feist 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

Good afternoon, All! I was just wondering if there are any collectives in the Kalamazoo, MI area. Specifically, any that have any programs dedicated to youth so that they are able to work on their own bikes. I have a friend living there and he'd like to bring his daughter in so she can learn about working on her bike...any info is appreciated, thank you! -- judith caroline feist "i don' think my art is political. i think it's about the stuff that doesn't let me sleep at night." -felix gonzalez-torres I think [the bicycle] has done more to emancipate women than anything else in the world...It gives a woman a feeling of freedom and self-reliance.~Susan B. Anthony

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outdoor tool stations
by breathingplanet . 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

we are looking to (re)build an outdoor tool station. are there any good example of this? with pictures? this is for during shop hours (not necessarily all the time), so it would be great if tools could be easily removed and then put back... but secure. andrew Troy Bike Rescue -- ------__o ----_`\<,_ ---(_)/ (_) andrew lynn 518-573-7947

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Privacy on the ThinkTank
by Godwin ! 07 Apr '14

07 Apr '14

In regards to the recent thread on QBP, please be aware that your conversations here are open to the public at: http://lists.bikecollectives.org/pipermail/thethinktank-bikecollectives.org/. This is the way that the ThinkTank has been since the beginning in September 2006 but perhaps more conversation is needed about this if people are uneasy about that. There are few options as far as I can tell though, it seems that MailMan only allows public or private archives and the public archives (although generally underused as far as I can tell) are a great resource. Thoughts? Anyone more of an expert on MailMan and knows a better way we should set it up? .godwin

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 92, Issue 1
by DCoppley＠intercitytransit.com 05 Apr '14

05 Apr '14

Thanks for all the leads on the bike lights everyone. It looks like everyone is using more or less the same silicone body light. I wonder if kids that get them replace the little watch battery when they go out, of if it's a throw-away item. David David Coppley Walk n' Roll Program Assistant Intercity Transit 360-705-5817 PO Box 659 Olympia, WA 98501 dcoppley(a)intercitytransit.com Find us on Facebook! -----Original Message----- From: thethinktank-bounces+dcoppley=intercitytransit.com(a)lists.bikecollectives.org [mailto:thethinktank-bounces+dcoppley=intercitytransit.com@lists.bikecollectives.org] On Behalf Of thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2014 1:15 PM To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org Subject: Thethinktank Digest, Vol 92, Issue 1 Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org You can reach the person managing the list at thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Sources for inexpensive bike lights? (Ryan Feller) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 13:16:02 -0400 From: Ryan Feller <ryansfeller(a)gmail.com> To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] Sources for inexpensive bike lights? Message-ID: <CAJsyP2JLFb74PiFPe3q7ZzLhGVcMoBwjtnWvnQ-ZOeJPjLF6-w(a)mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I just picked up a pair of these for myself - 90 cents each, free shipping, and they look identical to the ones that Christopher posted above. I'm not sure how well they work (or even if batteries are included), but if anyone's interested I can post an update in this thread once they arrive. Several others on eBay sell the same lights at similar prices. http://www.ebay.com/itm/360761100542?var=630169092981&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX… On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:08 PM, Christopher Chan < chris.chan(a)edmontonbikes.ca> wrote: > I've been purchasing these: > > > http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10000977/1081100-2-led-3-mode-white > -red-light-bicycle-fog-lights-2 > > 3.66 per pair, and they almost always work unlike the ones we purchase > through our regular supplier. > > You can save a dollar per set (~2.72 per pair) if you order pairs of > red and pairs of white lights, and then get volunteers to repackage > the lights once you receive them. > > > http://www.fasttech.com/products/0/10002426/1178400-3-mode-2-led-white > -light-tie-on-bike-light-keychai > > > http://www.fasttech.com/products/1603/10000977/1347701-2-led-3-mode-re > d-light-bicycle-fog-lights-2-piece- > > I order them in about quantities of 40 and haven't ever had any taxes > or duties on it. There's no shipping fee ever, so you can place as > many small or big orders as you like. My only concern with placing a > larger order in one package would be if it started to look like importing goods. > > You can save money if you're doing a much larger order (thousands) and > are willing to figure out how to import things, but that's too much for us. > Also, I think it's probably easier in the States than up here to find > the companies to handle imports/large volume purchases than it is up here. > > > Regards, > > Christopher Chan > *Executive Director* > Edmonton Bicycle Commuters' Society > edmontonbikes.ca > > *BikeWorks North ** 9305 111 Ave * T5G 0A2 * 780-757-9100 *BikeWorks > South ** 8001 102 St * T6E 4A2 * 780-433-2453 *Cell ** 780-756-7560 > Edmonton, Alberta, Canada @edmontonbicycle > <https://twitter.com/edmontonbicycle> > facebook.com/EdmontonBicycleCommuters<https://www.facebook.com/Edmonto > nBicycleCommuters> > > > > On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 11:07 AM, Ryne Emory <ryne(a)thebikedepot.org>wrote: > >> We use J&B's brand, sunlite and choose one of the cheapest versions. >> You definitely get what you pay for, so it's pretty hard to find a >> cheap light that is reliable. We end up returning 10-25% of them >> because they're defective. >> >> >> On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 10:59 AM, <DCoppley(a)intercitytransit.com> wrote: >> >>> Hello fellow bicycle do-gooders, >>> >>> >>> >>> I need to order a large quantity of inexpensive bike lights to use >>> as giveaways with bicycle we provide to youth as part of our >>> program. Does anyone have suggestions for a good source of >>> inexpensive lights? There seem to be a million suppliers on the >>> internet, and I don't want to end up with something dodgy. Thanks for reading! >>> >>> >>> >>> David >>> >>> >>> >>> David Coppley >>> >>> Walk n' Roll Program Assistant >>> >>> Intercity Transit >>> >>> 360-705-5817 >>> >>> PO Box 659 Olympia, WA 98501 >>> >>> dcoppley(a)intercitytransit.com >>> >>> Find us on Facebook! >>> <https://www.facebook.com/BicycleCommuterContest> >>> >>> >>> >>> [image: WalkNRoll_HZ_RGB] >>> >>> >>> >>> ____________________________________ >>> >>> The ThinkTank mailing List >>> <a href=" >>> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollec >>> tives.org/ryne%40thebikedepot.org?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">Unsubscrib >>> e >>> from this list</a> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryne Emory >> Program Manager >> The Bike Depot >> 2825 Fairfax St. >> Denver, CO 80207 >> Office: 303-393-1963 >> Fax: 303-393-2607 >> Ryne(a)thebikedepot.org >> >> ____________________________________ >> >> The ThinkTank mailing List >> <a href=" >> http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollect >> ives.org/chris.chan%40edmontonbikes.ca?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">Unsubs >> cribe >> from this list</a> >> >> >> > > ____________________________________ > > The ThinkTank mailing List > <a href=" > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/options.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollecti > ves.org/ryansfeller%40gmail.com?unsub=1&unsubconfirm=1">Unsubscribe > from this list</a> > > >

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Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition (Bici Centro) is hiring
by Christine Bourgeois 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

Hi all, Any desire to work in beautiful Santa Barbara, CA? Bici Centro, the DIY community bike shop is hiring (see details below) http://bicicentro.org/Default.aspx?pageId=1234035 Best, -- Christine Bourgeois 805 699 6301 edu(a)sbbike.org Education Director, LCI #2255 Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition <http://www.bicicentro.org/> www.facebook.com/sbbikes TITLE: Open Shop Coordinators JOB TYPE: Contract based LOCATION: Santa Barbara, CA PAY RATE: DOE WHAT WE ARE: Bici Centro, a project of the Santa Barbara Bicycle Coalition, is a community DIY bicycle repair shop and education center, with the goal of facilitating skill share and increased reliability and safety for Santa Barbara bicycle riders. POSITION DESCRIPTION: We are hiring Community Open Shop Coordinators to facilitate one open shop shift each week. Between the hours of: 11:30 am and 7:30 pm Tuesday - Friday 11:30 am and 5:30 pm Saturday *Reports to* *Shop manager and Executive Director* *Responsibilities* include: * operation of cash register and POS system * greeting and signing in patrons of the shop * teaching patrons bicycle repair skills * coordinating and appropriately tasking shop volunteers * organizing shop pre and post open hours *Qualifications*: * Background in bicycle mechanics * Strong inter-personal skills * Bilingual in English and Spanish * Ability to multi-task and maintain awareness of all happenings in a busy shop * Background in community based projects, community service, or non-profit work * Knowledge of Santa Barbara Bicycle Community and safe bicycle riding practices * Firmly believes in bicycles as a viable form of transportation *TO RESPOND*: Please include resume and cover letter to be sent to shop(a)bicicentro.org *Please attach your resume as a pdf.*

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Need Tennant Bike Policies for a property manager
by sheldon mains 03 Apr '14

03 Apr '14

We're working with the management of a large low-income housing project to get better bike parking for tenants (They've agreed to convert a parking space in an underground garage to a bike corral). They need policies for how to provide access (who gets keys/security cards) how to decide when a bike as abandoned....) Any suggestions on where to find policies to copy. (I've tried asking the list once before but haven't found an answer yet.) sheldon .............. Sheldon Mains SPOKES Bike Walk Connect www.SpokesConnect.org www.fb.com/SpokesConnect

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