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Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
by Beth & Josh Goran 11 May '11

11 May '11

Phil Bio-Lube and Pedro's ChainJ come to mind, if you've not tried them already. Both are chain lubes. I wouldn't say that either of them are the best chain lube I've ever used, but they do okay and are both biodegradable, if memory serves. Certainly different plant-based oils have very different properties. Flax (linseed) oil for example is known to be a highly polymerizing oil, which is why it's used in paints and the like. Good to season a cast-iron skillet, too, but such properties may be either helpful or harmful for different uses. I'd be curious to see how butter. ghee (clarified butter, doesn't need refrigeration [especially as a lube!] so wouldn't get so funky as butter), or coconut oil might hold up as chain lube...the solid oils don't oxidize and gum up in the same ways that something like olive oil does, and therefore might work better. Refining oils can also change things dramatically. For the worse in food, but might be for the better in this case. Josh -- *Crooked River Recyclery* *Kent, O.* "All Bikes! All People!"

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PRESS RELEASE: TROY BIKE RESCUE MOVES HQ TO NORTH TROY
by andrew 11 May '11

11 May '11

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE TROY BIKE RESCUE GEARS UP FOR A MOVE TO NORTH CENTRAL TROY -- Upcoming Events MAY 21: 2pm 51 3rd St. - Moving Caravan from downtown to new North Troy address 3280 6th avenue MAY 28: 2-9pm 3361 6th ave. - TBR Fundraising party at The Sanctuary for Independent Media Contacts Andrew Lynn: 518-573-7947 <tel:518-573-7947> Ryan Jenkins: 774-261-0273 <tel:774-261-0273> http://www.troybikerescue.org -- Over the next two weeks, Troy Bike Rescue will be closing down their normal operations of twice-weekly bike maintenance clinics in preparation for a move to a new home. On May 21, they will be loading up a caravans of cargo bikes, trailers, and other vehicles to transport the bulk of their downtown shop to a new home in North Troy. The move to a larger and dedicated space will allow them to grow their mission, expand open shop hours, and create youth-specific programming in the North Troy neighborhood. Their presence will also breath life into a building that has been vacant since 2007. The building, dubbed the Wheelhouse, at 3280 6th avenue, was purchased from the city through the recent foreclosure auction from the city of Troy by two TBR collective members and Troy residents who are coordinating the renovation efforts, Andrew Lynn and Ryan Jenkins. The building has been a home to a movie theatre, an electricians workshop, and a vending machine repair shop. Troy Bike Rescue is a collective of bicycle enthusiasts committed to removing bikes from the waste stream, and putting them back into use. They are celebrating 10 years of recycling bikes in the capital region of New York State with a BIKE PARTY fundraising event at the Sanctuary for Independent Media on May 28. More info at: http://www.troybikerescue.org/fundraiser http://www.mediasanctuary.org Hi-resolution floorplan sketch of the future Wheelhouse http://www.flickr.com/photos/breathingplanet/5473027258/sizes/o/in/set-7215… The workshop space TBR is leaving behind https://picasaweb.google.com/tbr.collective/513rdWorkshop#55789517969285811… Recent TBR Video Testimonials: http://tbr.mirocommunity.org/

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Fwd: Shop Closed
by Jonathan Morrison 11 May '11

11 May '11

Something to smile and cry about... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Jonathan Morrison <jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> Date: Mon, May 9, 2011 at 1:45 PM Subject: Re: Shop Closed To: SLC Bicycle Collective <community(a)slcbikecollective.org> We were waiting to secure the building before we announced why... http://www.slcbikecollective.org/en/component/content/article/1/337-collect… We aren't sure why the car attacked the Collective. Perhaps they just came from filling up at a gas station or found out they failed a basic annual physical exam? Maybe they were in the midst of a pollution fueled coughing fit when they mistook our community bike shop for a drive-through. Even picking up the rubble of the building, we have to chuckle at the irony of the situation. Yet, regardless of the reason, we are just glad that no people or bikes were hurt in the crash -- only one less car. Again, thank you for your patience and understanding. Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison Executive Director Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective 2312 S. West Temple Salt Lake City, UT 84115 w: 801-328-2453 c: 801-688-0183 f: 801-466-3856 www.slcbikecollective.org The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the community, focusing on children and lower income households. On Sat, May 7, 2011 at 4:18 PM, Jonathan Morrison < jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> wrote: > Due to unforeseen circumstances the shop is closed for building upgrades. > We hope to open up as soon as possible, thank you for your patience and > understanding. All classes and DIY nights are canceled until further > notice. > > Sincerely, > > Jonathan Morrison > Executive Director > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > 2312 S. West Temple > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > w: 801-328-2453 > c: 801-688-0183 > f: 801-466-3856 > www.slcbikecollective.org

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Oline Phramacy. DISCOUNT!!! -61%
by Buy_Vigara_Now 10 May '11

10 May '11

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Design contest for bicycle valet parking rack: $250 prize
by Jim Sheehan 09 May '11

09 May '11

Hello, colleagues; The Ohio City Bicycle Co-op <http://ohiocitycycles.org/> has been valet-parking bikes<http://ohiocitycycles.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=24%3…>at community events for about 10 years. We have tried many different solutions for portable parking racks for this service including shipping pallets and baby-crib rails, and are now using bike rims<http://ocbc.smugmug.com/Other/Earthfest-2007-2007-04-23/0614091211/83848784…>screwed to three furring strips<http://ocbc.smugmug.com/Other/Earthfest-2007-2007-04-23/0614091210/83848781…>, (the best photos we have are in these links). We're looking for a better solution, as we have several regular yearly events where we need to park up to 300 bikes. As the above-linked photos attest, portability is a primary consideration. Thanks to a grant from Cleveland Colectivo <http://www.clevelandcolectivo.org/>, we are offering $250 to anyone with a better idea. This contest closes May 11th. As explained in the contest parameters<http://ohiocitycycles.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=111:…>, any un-patented existing designs are eligible, and the winning design will be made available to all. Feel free to forward this email to any of your members, or other groups, who might benefit. Good luck! Jim Jim Sheehan Director, Ohio City Bicycle Co-op 1823 Columbus Rd Cleveland, Ohio 44113 216 830 2667 OhioCityCycles.org

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Definition - Evidence Based Programs
by Andy Greif 09 May '11

09 May '11

Hi, Several of you have asked for a definition of "evidenced based programs." Please refer to the link listed below. Also below is part of a response I received from Charles Hammond. Take care. Andy "To answer your first question, I tend toward "research-based" youth programs, which imply the same scientific rigor as "evidence-based" programs, but encompass a wider range of definitions of evidence and scientific methods. Evidence-based usually connotes the attempt to reproduce intervention outcomes to the same truth standards as the physical sciences. I find much quantitative evidence in the social sciences to be questionable because the researcher has neglected to scrutinize his or her own bias sufficiently in creating the experimental design. I would consider some of the work done in bicycle programs in Seattle, Eugene, Indianapolis, and Boston, for example, to be research-based. But if you know of educational bicycle/mentoring programs that consider themselves evidence-based, I would very much like to know about them. The "production school"-type institution I'd like to help create would be strongly research-based, and I'm working on a proposal to a research foundation to create such a venture." Charles Hammond Andy Greif, Executive Director Community Bicycle Center Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell) www.communitybike.net http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts "Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow" http://www.uwex.edu/ces/flp/families/whatworks_06.pdf

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Bike Collective Wiki is under attack and we need your help.
by Jonathan Morrison 08 May '11

08 May '11

Rich Points at Community Cycles (Boulder, CO, USA) has complete control of the bikecollectives.org and bikebike.org domain names and hosting. However, the wiki has been under serious attacks from spammers ( http://www.bikecollectives.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&l…), so he needs your help to come up with solutions. Specifically? We need a MediaWiki security solution that still keeps the wiki easy to contribute, but keeps most of the spammers at bay and doesn't burn out the moderators. So far we have implemented ReCaptcha and email validation requirements on user creation, but it appears even those are being thwarted. Sincerely, Jonathan Morrison c: 801-688-0183

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Evidenced Based Earn-a-Bike Programs?
by Andy Greif 07 May '11

07 May '11

Hi Folks, Are any of you aware of "evidence-based" bicycle/mentoring programs? Thanks, Andy Andy Greif, Executive Director Community Bicycle Center Shop: 284 Hill Street, Biddeford Mail: P.O. Box 783, Biddeford, ME 04005 207-282-9700 (shop) 207-229-8199 (cell) www.communitybike.net http://communitybicyclecenter.blogspot.com http://www.facebook.com/CommunityBicycleCenter?ref=ts "Providing Opportunities for Youth to Grow"

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 57, Issue 6
by Geoff Heath 05 May '11

05 May '11

I just called Orontas and they'll be distributing their bicycle lubes, greases & degreasers through babac cyles distributors(Montreal) in the very near future. They just sent babac their first batch for distro 2 weeks ago so it should appear in the new babac catalogue & online very soon. It will be available in 20 L (5 gal) format so no need to bother with them pesky eco-aerosol cans and I reckon it'll be hella cheaper in bulk. I'd assume that they are available through other distributors as well, I just happen to use babac so that's all I asked about. Reviews to come, Geoff The Wrench, The Bike Dump Winnipeg, Manitoba On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: non-petroleum lube (The Bicycle Tree) > 2. Re: non-petroleum lube (Beth & Josh Goran) > 3. Re: non-petroleum lube (joshua muir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:28:13 +0000 > From: The Bicycle Tree <info(a)thebicycletree.org> > To: <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > Message-ID: <BLU139-W9768A8639FB78DC790201B3810(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > We've been using Pedro's ChainJ biodegradable lube and their Bio Grease as > well. I can't say I've done scientific tests on either so I can't precisely > describe their merits. The chain lube is somewhat oily, doesn't wash away > easily. The grease does experience some separation; I'm not sure what liquid > is separating. This may be a drawback in action. > > Theres a review of the grease here: > http://road.cc/content/review/17600-pedros-bio-grease > plus a negative experience for a skateboarder here: > http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-Bio-Grease/dp/B003UWLWPW > > ChainJ reviews here: > http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-CHAINj-Bike-Chain-120ml/product-reviews/B000N2… > > I hadn't heard about this one until doing a little perusing right now: > Dumonde Tech Bio Green > http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/778317?source=gpla&cm_mmc=c… > > I usually use the excellent ProGold ProLink which is biodegradable and > calls itself "environmentally friendly" though I'm not sure of its toxicity > or ingredients. > http://www.mtbr.com/cat/accessories/lube/progold/prolink-chain-lube/PRD_352… > > -Paul > > The Bicycle Tree > > P.O. Box 881 > Orange, CA 92856 > > http://www.thebicycletree.org > > info(a)thebicycletree.org > > > > > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > From: bovineoaks(a)aol.com > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:07:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > > > In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He > came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. > The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the > most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the > derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. > incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere. > > > > > > Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon > fire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for > the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of > the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i > will try olive oil on my chain and report back later. > > > > jim > > > > > > > From: Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> > > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > > > > > My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing > grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to > withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for > this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more > frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday > someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked > stuff is it? > > > > Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing > grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as > advertised. > > > > Mark Rehder - Coordinator > > re-Cycles Community Bike Shop > > http://re-cycles.ca > > > > > > On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote: > > > > > MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well. > > > > > > If you build a > covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need > something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped > using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself > (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer > together something really simple. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison < > jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> wrote: > > > Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? > > > http://orontas.com > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jonathan Morrison > > > Executive Director > > > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > > > 2312 S. West Temple > > > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > > > w: 801-328-2453 > > > c: 801-688-0183 > > > f: > 801-466-3856 > > > www.slcbikecollective.org > > > > > > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote > cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a > cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle > Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the > community, focusing on children and lower income households. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe <gzuphoesdown(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique > recommendation of using olive oil. > > > > > > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > 4/2/08, Bob Giordano <mist(a)strans.org> wrote: Indoor air quality is tops > on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We > > > do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and > > > simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts > cleaning > > > station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is > > > harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner. > > > > > > I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask > > > people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube. > > > > > > -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula > > > > > > > > > Michael Wolfe wrote: > > > > Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have > > > had > > > > issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache > but > > > others > > > > don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the > full > > > > time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation > > > system, > > > > what options are there to locate that stuff outside? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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moving, shirts & fundraiser
by andrew 05 May '11

05 May '11

hey thinktank, this is Troy Bike Rescue jus checkin in... we are having a big moving parade to our new (old) awesome building, The Wheelhouse, on May 21, peep the spot in progress here: before: https://picasaweb.google.com/tbr.collective/WheelhouseBefore# in progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/breathingplanet/sets/72157626095136199/ more pics will come after the move too! then on May 28, we are having a big fundraiser with artists, dinner, raffles, videos, music and an all-ages rodeo. should be a blast! http://troybikerescue.org/fundraiser ... and we have shirts & patches on Goodsie now... http://tbrcollective.goodsie.com/ check this slightly strange video montage from parts of the bike trip to Toronto last year: http://www.youtube.com/user/tbrcollective#p/u/3/MQU9nQ1L58U happy bike month!! andrew tbr

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