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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 57, Issue 6
by Geoff Heath 06 May '11

06 May '11

I just called Orontas and they'll be distributing their bicycle lubes, greases & degreasers through babac cyles distributors(Montreal) in the very near future. They just sent babac their first batch for distro 2 weeks ago so it should appear in the new babac catalogue & online very soon. It will be available in 20 L (5 gal) format so no need to bother with them pesky eco-aerosol cans and I reckon it'll be hella cheaper in bulk. I'd assume that they are available through other distributors as well, I just happen to use babac so that's all I asked about. Reviews to come, Geoff The Wrench, The Bike Dump Winnipeg, Manitoba On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 9:15 PM, < thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> wrote: > Send Thethinktank mailing list submissions to > thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thethinktank-request(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thethinktank-owner(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thethinktank digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: non-petroleum lube (The Bicycle Tree) > 2. Re: non-petroleum lube (Beth & Josh Goran) > 3. Re: non-petroleum lube (joshua muir) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 22:28:13 +0000 > From: The Bicycle Tree <info(a)thebicycletree.org> > To: <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > Message-ID: <BLU139-W9768A8639FB78DC790201B3810(a)phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > We've been using Pedro's ChainJ biodegradable lube and their Bio Grease as > well. I can't say I've done scientific tests on either so I can't precisely > describe their merits. The chain lube is somewhat oily, doesn't wash away > easily. The grease does experience some separation; I'm not sure what liquid > is separating. This may be a drawback in action. > > Theres a review of the grease here: > http://road.cc/content/review/17600-pedros-bio-grease > plus a negative experience for a skateboarder here: > http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-Bio-Grease/dp/B003UWLWPW > > ChainJ reviews here: > http://www.amazon.com/Pedros-CHAINj-Bike-Chain-120ml/product-reviews/B000N2… > > I hadn't heard about this one until doing a little perusing right now: > Dumonde Tech Bio Green > http://www.rei.com/webservices/rei/DisplayStyle/778317?source=gpla&cm_mmc=c… > > I usually use the excellent ProGold ProLink which is biodegradable and > calls itself "environmentally friendly" though I'm not sure of its toxicity > or ingredients. > http://www.mtbr.com/cat/accessories/lube/progold/prolink-chain-lube/PRD_352… > > -Paul > > The Bicycle Tree > > P.O. Box 881 > Orange, CA 92856 > > http://www.thebicycletree.org > > info(a)thebicycletree.org > > > > > To: thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > From: bovineoaks(a)aol.com > Date: Wed, 4 May 2011 17:07:38 -0400 > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > > > In the 1980's a hippy friend of mine used Olive Oil on his drive chain. He > came to me after using it for a year because his derailleurs would not work. > The Olive Oil had turned into a shellack that I could not get off with the > most aggressive solvents. It stuck together the moving arms of the > derailleurs so firmly we had to throw them away. The chain was a mess. > incredible wear on the pins and thick goop everywhere. > > > > > > Try paraffin. at least you can light the chain on fire to have a mini bon > fire > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bicycles don't get hot like cars. The main lube question i have is for > the chain. Chains need to be lubed and cleaned very often just because of > the exposure. For Hubs, BB and Headsets of course it is different. i > will try olive oil on my chain and report back later. > > > > jim > > > > > > > From: Mark Rehder <mark(a)re-cycles.ca> > > To: The Think Tank <thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org> > > Sent: Wed, May 4, 2011 11:08:10 AM > > Subject: Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube > > > > > My Dad was a metallurgist. I once asked him about using plant-based bearing > grease, and he said the main issue of course was the ability of any lube to > withstand the heat from friction. Petroleum-derived is the best choice for > this, though he said one could use plant-based if one didn't mind far more > frequent overhauls. Now, this was fifteen years ago, and I'm sure someday > someone will find a good formula for a non-petroleum lube. Maybe the linked > stuff is it? > > > > Our shop uses MEC's Bio-Cycle for cleaning, but standard high-temp bearing > grease for hubs. It'd be great if a plant-based product indeed works as > advertised. > > > > Mark Rehder - Coordinator > > re-Cycles Community Bike Shop > > http://re-cycles.ca > > > > > > On 4-May-11, at 1:42 PM, Chris Chan wrote: > > > > > MEC used to stock a biodegradable lube. It didn't work very well. > > > > > > If you build a > covered shed, you can keep your solvent tank outside. You just need > something to keep the rain from getting into your system--before we stopped > using our varsol tank, our shed was just big enough for the system itself > (you stood outside of the shed to actually use it). You can just hammer > together something really simple. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 11:13 AM, Jonathan Morrison < > jonathan(a)slcbikecollective.org> wrote: > > > Has anyone heard of or used this plant based lube line? > > > http://orontas.com > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > > > Jonathan Morrison > > > Executive Director > > > Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective > > > 2312 S. West Temple > > > Salt Lake City, UT 84115 > > > w: 801-328-2453 > > > c: 801-688-0183 > > > f: > 801-466-3856 > > > www.slcbikecollective.org > > > > > > The mission of the Salt Lake City Bicycle Collective is to promote > cycling as an effective and sustainable form of transportation and as a > cornerstone of a cleaner, healthier, and safer society. The Bicycle > Collective provides refurbished bicycles and educational programs to the > community, focusing on children and lower income households. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 2, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Michael Wolfe <gzuphoesdown(a)gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique > recommendation of using olive oil. > > > > > > http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On > 4/2/08, Bob Giordano <mist(a)strans.org> wrote: Indoor air quality is tops > on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We > > > do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and > > > simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts > cleaning > > > station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is > > > harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner. > > > > > > I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask > > > people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube. > > > > > > -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula > > > > > > > > > Michael Wolfe wrote: > > > > Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have > > > had > > > > issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache > but > > > others > > > > don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the > full > > > > time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation > > > system, > > > > what options are there to locate that stuff outside? > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Thethinktank mailing list > > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)lists.bikecollectives.org > To unsubscribe, send a blank email to > TheThinkTank-leave(a)bikecollectives.org > To manage your subscription, plase visit: > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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moving, shirts & fundraiser
by andrew 06 May '11

06 May '11

hey thinktank, this is Troy Bike Rescue jus checkin in... we are having a big moving parade to our new (old) awesome building, The Wheelhouse, on May 21, peep the spot in progress here: before: https://picasaweb.google.com/tbr.collective/WheelhouseBefore# in progress: http://www.flickr.com/photos/breathingplanet/sets/72157626095136199/ more pics will come after the move too! then on May 28, we are having a big fundraiser with artists, dinner, raffles, videos, music and an all-ages rodeo. should be a blast! http://troybikerescue.org/fundraiser ... and we have shirts & patches on Goodsie now... http://tbrcollective.goodsie.com/ check this slightly strange video montage from parts of the bike trip to Toronto last year: http://www.youtube.com/user/tbrcollective#p/u/3/MQU9nQ1L58U happy bike month!! andrew tbr

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Re: [TheThinkTank] non-petroleum lube
by Michael Wolfe 05 May '11

05 May '11

Page 13 of the 1992 Bridgestone bicycle catalog has a unique recommendation of using olive oil. http://www.sheldonbrown.com/bridgestone/ On 4/2/08, Bob Giordano <mist(a)strans.org> wrote: > > Indoor air quality is tops on our list for a healthy shop atmosphere. We > do not store anything that gives off harmful fumes. Tooth brushes and > simple green (highly diluted) in a small wooden bowl is our parts cleaning > station. We are even moving away from simple green (i've learned it is > harmful to some)- to a citrus based cleaner. > > I guess tri flow is the only thing with fumes in the shop. Often we ask > people to use it outside. I'd like to find a non-petroleum lube. > > -Bob Giordano, Free Cycles Missoula > > > Michael Wolfe wrote: > > Speaking of liver damage, etc.. Wondering if any shops out there have > had > > issues solvent tanks in their shop? The fumes give me a headache but > others > > don't seem to mind it. Mostly I worry about the health effects on the > full > > time people in the shop. Short of installing a hood or ventalation > system, > > what options are there to locate that stuff outside? > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thethinktank mailing list > Thethinktank(a)bikecollectives.org > > http://lists.bikecollectives.org/listinfo.cgi/thethinktank-bikecollectives.… >

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Dream Bikes
by Patrick VDT 28 Apr '11

28 Apr '11

Anyone have any relationship or past history working with Dream Bikes, Thanks

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Bicycle Times Magazine Article on Community Bike Shops
by sal.amandaz＠verizon.net 27 Apr '11

27 Apr '11

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2010 Census
by Godwin ! 25 Apr '11

25 Apr '11

So I've finally finished creating this survey census. I'm not sure of exactly which representatives are on the thinktank, so I'll start targeting individual collectives within a few days. The survey is here: http://bikeroot.ca/surveys/index.php?sid=48116 Again, if there is anything that you feel is missing or incorrect I would appreciate hearing about it immediately so that I might be able to make a change. Also feel free to contact me if you have any concerns or questions. Thanks!.godwin

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Bike! Bike! 2011 - San Marcos, Texas - June 23 - 26
by San Marcos Community Bike Project 25 Apr '11

25 Apr '11

Hey everybody! Here's your official electronic invitation to Bike! Bike! It will be held June 23 - 26, 2011 in San Marcos, Texas. Hosted by The Bike Cave (thebikecave.org) and the San Marcos Community Bike Project (bikesanmarcos.blogspot.com) with lots of support from Austin's Yellow Bike Project (austinyellowbike.org). Visit the website at bikebike.org for more info! We've mailed out a few hundred posters and invites (a few have been returned to sender), so hopefully your project has gotten theirs. If not, let us know (bikebike2011(a)gmail.com) and we'll mail yall one. And if anyone has questions or concerns or IDEAS, let us know at bikebike2011(a)gmail.com Yea! -Bike! Bike! planning committee bikebike.org

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Bicycle Times Magazine Article on Community Bike Shops
by sal.amandaz＠verizon.net 25 Apr '11

25 Apr '11

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Mobile Bicycle Repair
by Sam Haraldson 20 Apr '11

20 Apr '11

I am interested in discussing mobile bicycle repair with other cooperatives who currently own or operate them. The Bozeman Bike Kitchen will begin fund-raising toward this goal starting in two weeks and I'm very interested in seeing or hearing about the mobile rigs other cooperatives have set-up. - tool list - cargo bike vs. trailer vs. both - consumable parts list (tires, tubes, lube, et al) - what advocacy stuff to include (banners, stickers, brochures, and how to carry them) - booth, tent, other - other issues I'm short-sighted on... Thanks, Sam

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Re: [TheThinkTank] Thethinktank Digest, Vol 56, Issue 22
by Geoff Heath 15 Apr '11

15 Apr '11

Andy, Out of curiosity, how much does metrofiets ask for such a thing of beauty? I'm greatly coveting one for my own shop, but I have a pretty strong suspicion that it's out of our price range. Thanks! Geoff Bike Dump & The WRENCH Winnipeg

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